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MinM
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 Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Rove appointee called off FBI investigation into Obama plot |
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Rove appointee called off FBI investigation into Obama plot
"KUSA - 9Wants to Know has learned three men in Denver planned to assassinate U.S. Senator Barack Obama during the Democratic National Convention in Denver by sneaking into one of his events and shooting him with a gun hidden inside of a camera, according to federal court records.Nathan Johnson's girlfriend, whom 9NEWS is not naming because she's a juvenile, said it would have to be a suicide mission."
I don't know why this hasn't been reported on in the media, but I found this information today, and its concerning. Remember the alleged murder plot against Obama, planned to take place during his acceptance speech? Well, as we all know, the FBI released a statement the next day claiming that there was no evidence of an imminent threat against Obama.
But according to this news story,
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=9 8992&catid=222
the FBI did want to pursue charges, but the investigation was called off by Attourney General Troy Eid, an appointee of Karl Rove.
There are several recent blogs on this info, but only one story on Google's news page:
http://www.cqpolitics.com/w mspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=hsnews-000002944767
Eid is denying any lax work on his part, but I think the whole situation still sounds suspicious. Why would you NOT press charges against people who make a threat on a public official? Who is he to determine (above the inquiries of the FBI) that such a threat would definitely not be pulled off?
Here's one of several blogs about the story:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/09/fbi-wanted-obama- plotters-charged-but.html
The reason I even found this story was because I did a quick search of "Obama,Rove" since Obama referred today to McCain's campaign as a "Karl Rove campaign."
http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2008/9/7/1456/09961/Diary/Rove-appointee-called-off-FBI-investigation-into-Obama-plot
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=18755
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FourthBase
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why would you NOT press charges against people who make a threat on a public official? |
Not that I believe this, but possibly to follow them to bigger fish?
Your link didn't work, here's the main url:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
Disturbing stuff.
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They had a camera-gun when they were caught?
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| justdrew wrote: | | They had a camera-gun when they were caught? |
Isn't that great? I was already getting weird looks from people carrying around my new 3D-lens-outfitted camera. Now...oh but wait, who the fuck is ever going to hear about Adolf and his camera gun? Hopefully many, realistically few. I bet the few will include some law enforcement officers seizing cameras-being-used-to-document-injustice as "potential weapons".
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| I don't understand that a US attorney for Colorado has any business ordering the FBI around, maybe that's in their purview, but it doesn't seem right. Anyway, this matter should be handled by the secret service and it should absolutely receive a lot more investigation. |
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Endomorph
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Now, now. We have been reliably informed by our fellow forum posters that Obama is basically a fascist. The powers that be are not even a little bit threatened by him; he's on their side; he's one of them, not one of us. There's no way he's going to get assassinated; he's *totally* unlike JFK or RFK or MLK or Wellstone.
Of course, if he is assassinated I expect everybody on the board to forget everything they wrote and insist he was a hero who was facing down the Powers That Be and they had to take him down.
It's all an instance of Endomorph's Law: everything that actually happens is (at least to Rigint posters) ipso facto bad. If Obama wins, that proves he's bad. Otherwise how could he have won? If Obama loses or is assassinated, that proves he was good, and the people who defeated or killed him were bad. |
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| Endomorph wrote: | Now, now. We have been reliably informed by our fellow forum posters that Obama is basically a fascist. The powers that be are not even a little bit threatened by him; he's on their side; he's one of them, not one of us. There's no way he's going to get assassinated; he's *totally* unlike JFK or RFK or MLK or Wellstone.
Of course, if he is assassinated I expect everybody on the board to forget everything they wrote and insist he was a hero who was facing down the Powers That Be and they had to take him down.
It's all an instance of Endomorph's Law: everything that actually happens is (at least to Rigint posters) ipso facto bad. If Obama wins, that proves he's bad. Otherwise how could he have won? If Obama loses or is assassinated, that proves he was good, and the people who defeated or killed him were bad. |
Very true.
Then there's my view...and that's that often time political puppets or terror bomber helpers or any other creatures of the deep state often do not *know* they are being used as a pawn or puppet; or helping a bigger scheme.
Mccain and Obama might genuinely believe in their convictions, *not realizing* it's all being scripted around them.
Obama could believe he is a good guy, but after he's installed and a suspiciously convenient massive new terror attack happens...he will be more than glad to do his master's bidding thinking "its the right thing to do". (even if it means world war, martial law, ect)
Also, we must not be fooled into thinking the nwo/elite/black brotherhood/globalists are above taking out one of their own puppets.
The NWO I believe would take out Bush himself if they felt it would fit within their scheme.
At this point, between now and November(or even January) I dont rule out any scenario the elite are willing to pull.
Allowing a "legit" election, letting the chips fall where they may, knowing either Mccain or Obama will be puppets?
Diebolding/rigging the election to swing to Obama...or Mccain?
Assassination?
Canceling the elections after a massive, or series of tragic events?
Again, the possibilities are endless.
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| Endomorph wrote: | Now, now. We have been reliably informed by our fellow forum posters that Obama is basically a fascist. The powers that be are not even a little bit threatened by him; he's on their side; he's one of them, not one of us. There's no way he's going to get assassinated; he's *totally* unlike JFK or RFK or MLK or Wellstone.
Of course, if he is assassinated I expect everybody on the board to forget everything they wrote and insist he was a hero who was facing down the Powers That Be and they had to take him down.
It's all an instance of Endomorph's Law: everything that actually happens is (at least to Rigint posters) ipso facto bad. If Obama wins, that proves he's bad. Otherwise how could he have won? If Obama loses or is assassinated, that proves he was good, and the people who defeated or killed him were bad. |
Good points! He's probably in their pocket but not as far down as they'd like. No hero is perfect. Not that Obama's a hero, at all, yet anyway...but people shouldn't forget how JFK, RFK, and even Wellstone (but not MLK as far as I know) compromised themselves in crucial ways, let the Man stick his dick in them "just a little"...and in the case of JFK and RFK, were the Man to some extent. You don't have to be a saint to get yourself assassinated. A lot of assassinations seem to be the result of Intra-Man in-fighting. And just because you're in power and have umpteen strings attached to you, doesn't automatically mean you're a permanently-owned douchebag puppet incapable of doing the right thing when push comes to shove. As spectators to a sport we're forced to give a shit about, we don't have to root for either team, but we'd damn well better recognize which team we don't want to win. And if Obama loses or is assassinated, then we'd damn well better mourn. Not for him, but for us.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| FourthBase wrote: | | Endomorph wrote: | Now, now. We have been reliably informed by our fellow forum posters that Obama is basically a fascist. The powers that be are not even a little bit threatened by him; he's on their side; he's one of them, not one of us. There's no way he's going to get assassinated; he's *totally* unlike JFK or RFK or MLK or Wellstone.
Of course, if he is assassinated I expect everybody on the board to forget everything they wrote and insist he was a hero who was facing down the Powers That Be and they had to take him down.
It's all an instance of Endomorph's Law: everything that actually happens is (at least to Rigint posters) ipso facto bad. If Obama wins, that proves he's bad. Otherwise how could he have won? If Obama loses or is assassinated, that proves he was good, and the people who defeated or killed him were bad. |
Good points! He's probably in their pocket but not as far down as they'd like. No hero is perfect. Not that Obama's a hero, at all, yet anyway...but people shouldn't forget how JFK, RFK, and even Wellstone (but not MLK as far as I know) compromised themselves in crucial ways, let the Man stick his dick in them "just a little"...and in the case of JFK and RFK, were the Man to some extent. You don't have to be a saint to get yourself assassinated. A lot of assassinations seem to be the result of Intra-Man in-fighting. And just because you're in power and have umpteen strings attached to you, doesn't automatically mean you're a permanently-owned douchebag puppet incapable of doing the right thing when push comes to shove. As spectators to a sport we're forced to give a shit about, we don't have to root for either team, but we'd damn well better recognize which team we don't want to win. And if Obama loses or is assassinated, then we'd damn well better mourn. Not for him, but for us. |
Spot on.
JFK was total NWO at first, but started to have second thoughts. Especially his last year.
RFK went completely against the nwo by 1967/1968, and like anti war MLK, got taken out as well
However, then you have the case of Reagan, who didnt even want Bush as his VP....
ending up being almost killed by a Bush family friend.
Now look at Pakistan.
Bhutto gets taken out, now her widow is the head of Pakistan.
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| Endomorph wrote: | | Endomorph's Law: everything that actually happens is ... bad. |
It's really more like "most topics discussed on the forum deal with problems with the world." That is what sells newspapers and starts discussions unfortunately. Random acts of kindness and love are seldom headlines, or the source of heated arguments.
But actually, Chubby, I thought there was somewhat of a consensus around here that the so-called and phoney PTB are neither uniformly monolithic, nor always acting in their own best interests, nor extraordinarily coordinated in their actions, nor always very communicative amongst each other, nor always doing what you might consider totally bad things. In other words, the world of power is highly factional, just like you'd expect. I understand why this notion is somewhat repugnant to those who require an adversarial approach to the issues of the day, particularly political ones which are black/white framed for your comfort and pleasure, but a more organic understanding is necessarily more complex and and contingency based. I realize that calling anything on this forum a consensus is a allowing for a very loose definition of a consensus, but as above, so below, ya know.
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This only stengthens the idea that Obama is in the pockets of "tPTB". Why? Because all what he has to do is mention this publically, and the world has immediate sympathy for him and immediate loathing for anyone that would block such an investigation - by proxy - Bush and his cadre.
And just because someone may be assasinated doesn't mean that it is the "PTB" doing the assasinating or that the receiver of such action is truly in their opposition. We all agree Bush is squarely in the pockets of "PTB" and yet still, he has had plenty of Bill-Hicks-moments.
This may be employed to keep them (all) on their toes regularly, or there may be an occult aspect of this that involves the theme of sacrifice.
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[quote="Occult Means Hidden"]This only stengthens the idea that Obama is in the pockets of "tPTB". Why? Because all what he has to do is mention this publically, and the world has immediate sympathy for him and immediate loathing for anyone that would block such an investigation - by proxy - Bush and his cadre.
And just because someone may be assasinated doesn't mean that it is the "PTB" doing the assasinating or that the receiver of such action is truly in their opposition. We all agree Bush is squarely in the pockets of "PTB" and yet still, he has had plenty of Bill-Hicks-moments.
Absolutely. Was Reagan a good guy, because he got shot by a Bush family connected mind control asset? Youre spot on, a lot of it is keeping people on their toes. Look at the Franklin Coverup/GOP-WhiteHouse sex abuse of minors situation of the 1980's. Part of that had to be black mail.
Hugh could be partially right, that the "security stand down/alleged nazi plot/Hillary mentioning Obama and RFK a lot" stuff could be a kind of Bill Hicks like warning to "keep in line". Obama knows who butters his bread.
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This may be employed to keep them (all) on their toes regularly, or there may be an occult aspect of this that involves the theme of sacrifice. |
I dont think the date "11/22" was merely chosen because of convenience, heh.
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| justdrew wrote: | | I don't understand that a US attorney for Colorado has any business ordering the FBI around, maybe that's in their purview, but it doesn't seem right. Anyway, this matter should be handled by the secret service and it should absolutely receive a lot more investigation. |
The FBI are like Jerry Orbach and Benjamin Bratt, and the U.S. Attorney is like Sam Waterston and whatever actress is playing the other D.A. (As you can tell, I'm not au courant with the Law & Order cast. But I used to watch the reruns on TNT years ago. I found them soothing. Also, the late Jerry Orbach was majorly hot. I know it sounds strange, but I'm not the only one who noticed, believe me.)
Anyway. It's not bizarre in itself that he decided what case to bring. It's supposed to be his call. That doesn't mean it was, of course. But it's not shadily anomalous in that way.
The Secret Service thing I don't know about. But it doesn't strike me as out of order in a shady way, either. Obama's Secret Service detail has a full-time job already, and the FBI is just as empowered to investigate. And I'm sure anyone charged with the candidate's security, including his Secret Service detail, would have to have been fully briefed. Because even if they hadn't intended to go that way to begin with, once it hit the press, they'd be too exposed to fuck around. Much.
Speaking of which: It kind of depends on whether the cops that made the initial stop said or did anything about the assassination-plot angle that would have tipped off local beat reporters automatically. But if they didn't (and it would be easy for them to evade if they wanted to or were told to), there's really no reason for either Eid or the FBI to want to put it out there, and some very good reasons for them not to, if they're serious about making a case.
So I think it's worth considering the possibility that the main point of the exercise was to get it into the press, as part of an effort to shake Obama up enough to throw him off his game. Just because that would be so fucking Rove-like. Also, if there really is a more serious conspiracy to assassinate Obama at some later date (or even just a blueprint for one that hadn't yet been ruled in or out) it would be very helpful for whoever drew up that blueprint to introduce the nation to the concept that it's perfectly natural for a common, garden-variety white-supremacist, drug-addicted loner or two to just wake up one day and spontaneously conspire to assassinate Barack Obama all on their own.
Which doesn't mean that's going to happen. My point is more that it's a trick worth its dirtiness just for mindfuckery's sake. Because Obama has to consider every possibility, obviously, including that one. Which must be at least a little bit successful as an intimidation tactice, mustn't it?
| Quote: | Why would you NOT press charges against people who make a threat on a public official?
| Quote: | | Not that I believe this, but possibly to follow them to bigger fish? |
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I think that's possible. From a devil's advocate perspective, which isn't always the wrong one to take, It's also always possible that it actually wasn't a soerious threat or a dirty-trick of any kind. As that blog points out, the stated reason for not going forward sure didn't stop them when it came to prosecuting the Liberty Seven. But the Liberty Seven case is a joke , and should never have gone forward. And if they really did have something close to that shitty a case, the FBI agent wouldn't lose anything by testifying otherwise (assuming that he isn't habitually exceptionally indiscreet for an FBI agent). And he would have something to gain by getting that statement on the record just in case they ever do have a better shot (pardon the metaphot) at a successful prosecution.
ALSO. The above is mostly just for the sake of argument. Might be true. Might not be. But I do actually suspect there's a whole other reason for them to keep this muffled, and that's just that they have to have been either illegally surveilling those guys or the little underage girlfriend snitch was and still is an asset whose cover they don't want to blow, or some similar incentive to keep the whole deal out of the spotlight.
Because there's just no way that was a random traffic stop, imo. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Rove appointee called off FBI investigation into Obama p |
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| MinM wrote: | | three men in Denver planned to assassinate U.S. Senator Barack Obama during the Democratic National Convention in Denver by sneaking into one of his events and shooting him with a gun hidden inside of a camera |
That's a fascinating choice of weapon. IIRC, just a day or two before 9/11, Ahmed Massoud (a Tajik chieftain, and a stalwart foe of the Taliban) was assassinated with a rigged TV camera, which either exploded itself or shot a missile that immediately exploded (accounts varied).
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