soliciting brains

[havanagilla]

on edit - erased/ <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 7/10/06 2:44 pm<br></i>

[blanc]

confused is what I am Hava. How did people approach you? How did they know you were mc/sra victim? How well did you feel you knew them before trusting them with your car and belongings?What made you trust them with this?<br><br>As for the stuff about you paid the fine so you must be guilty - ...!! Not many persons confronted with a fine from border guards in a foreign coutry start arguing if they have the capacity to pay surely. and how would you have contacted xavier? did you have contact details? what agreements did you have with Xavier which were then soit-disant "broken"?<br>Who had taken your pc? these germans? on what grounds, authority etc? your account is ambivalent here because it first looks as tho it is customs who seized it on official grounds, then these people whom you describe as activists, who had offered to help you, offer to replace it? Now that does look strange.<br><br>Where does this idea that the customs officials were acting illegally come from? This email jumps about between 2 opposing positions it seems to me. either the car and pc were seized by customs officials who believed they had grounds to do so or not. Did you get a receipt for the fine - to whom and how was it paid?<br>If the pc was taken by customs on grounds of suspecting espionage, who told you that this had happened, and where did the idea of suspecting you come from? why would you not be stopped and held for questioning? How did you travel?<br>The whole mess looks very tacky, with a group of people in the middle between you and the Canadian authorities who have seemed to have influenced events, in a way which is outside any authority they might have - presumably they have none . So this would be the reverse of helpful. and yet they accuse you of having messed up for them. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

there is a xavier b who is a canadian blues musician currently touring mexico see zihuafest.info. soros org is founded and chaired by - well you'd know this - George Soros, and Open Society is a grantmaking authority which aims to shape public policy, hmm. There is an Irene S listed as director of taros Industries ltd a canadian co. which provides private label credit card services to merchant clients, and also listed on VAST's website as a support person. Bediako is Vasts's legal man - humanitarian and compassionate applications.<br>Vast is an offshoot of Amnesty Int. but seems a small outfit - no info on why they left A.I. so far. So , best I have is a travelling musician who would have a reason to be happy to drive someone's car for them, but might have been expected to be jittery at a border if he didn't know what was in it - would you accept such a commission? And somehow also involved a few people with a foot in charitable work with refugees - but small org, and other foot in money lending orgs/business. <br>Actually, what you described and the letter you received seem very odd. <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

I am also confused, still about it. I am kind of glad that it takes me only 3 and not 30 years to tackle this mess.<br><br>-- <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 7/10/06 2:44 pm<br></i>

[havanagilla]

The Soros connection is actually another poster who is communicating with Werner and saying that was his pervious workplace. Werner presents himself as a movie maker, but his posts about IRaq funding seem a bit "overqualified" for just a random poster, with political tastes. (although reading RI, I am running into very knowledgable people who claim to officially have no business in politics, so who knows, maybe all german film makers are super educated on mismanagement of fund in Iraq). The strange connection is bn the blues singer Brunnelle and the Werner guy, which actually happened only after he brought in the car, and this guy popped up as his "advocate" as you can see, and a very manipulative one as well, taking some sort of "patronage" over him. There are no google mentions of this werner guy anywhere after 2004, or to be precise after the two months this happened or so. He appeared for that time, and disappears, as far as google is concerned.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>On edit</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> - what are the odds that in less than two months one will run into 4 germans coincidentally ? emmm. that's still my question especially with the added, "ace in the sleeve" werner whose only mention in the internet is Iraq ? <br>BTW, being <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a blues singer</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> or <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>film maker</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> or "<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>art student"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> is not a conclusive finding, or mutual exclusive with anything more sinister.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 7/10/06 2:30 pm<br></i>

[bvonahsen]

I'm sorry you had to go through this havanagilla, really.<br><br>FYI for some....<br><br>Survivors sometimes have a hard time trusting and are not always the best at deciding whom to trust or not trust. When you've had your childhood stolen, your personality shattered, your resources for such things are low. You don't have the experience most people have to fall back on.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Project Willow]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Survivors sometimes have a hard time trusting and are not always the best at deciding whom to trust or not trust. When you've had your childhood stolen, your personality shattered, your resources for such things are low. You don't have the experience most people have to fall back on.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'll second that. I had a therapist who used to say "your radar is broken". I missed your original post Hava, it's now deleted. I just want to say, one thing that has been taking up my time of late is a very bad decision I (my system) made to get involved with an untrustworthy person. He wasn't an mc operative, or even cult, just destructive. I thought I knew better. I'm working hard so it won't happen again. I suppose if I looked at it more positively I could say, he wasn't cult or an mc operative and so the injury was more in the "normative' range. A rung up the ladder perhaps.<br><br>It's not easy changing a lifetime of patterns. (Could be triggering words ahead).....<br><br><br><br><br>I've also been thinking, the cage door is open, so I built myself a new one. And to realize one is finally free, after a lifetime of abuse, it's almost easier to build that new cage, rather than facing the grief.<br><br><br>Best to you... <p></p><i></i>

[sw]

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[Sepka]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>what are the odds that in less than two months one will run into 4 germans coincidentally ?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I missed your original post, so I may not have the whole story, but... Are you sure you're just not in places that attract a lot of foreigners? Sunday before last I rode a bus almost completely filled with Germans on my way out of the Speedway after the US Grand Prix. Any time I go to a museum or festival, I can generally count on there being Europeans of some stripe there, often Germans (they seem to travel a lot). Most SF cons will have Europeans anymore. Two instances of meeting Germans a month is probably high for me, but not outrageously so.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>PW,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> yes. i am amazed at how hard the self defeating habits are to change. perhaps this is the main difficulty, and when I think about it that way, it leads to despair, so I am trying not to.<br>--<br> but its also a thought i've been having these last two days, that part of healing, i suppose is growing out of the expectation to get some "closure", "different reality" so that bad people are brought down and lose. Its NEVER this way, i suppose, and that's the world, and one should just hope to stay away from being on the wrong side of life. Or else, really, its going to be an endless series of disappointments from "wrong people". <br>--<br>There's no "zion", or "over the rainbow" or...place without them nAzis (one type or the other). its where you, i, can place ourselves as far as possible from their seat in the train. Or if we do brush against them, bark hard enough, they more to another VICTIM. that's horrible to say, but I think that's life.<br>--<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sepka</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, oh, no wasn't Germans on a bus, it was a Canadian organization, very political and sensitive, which turns out to be ALL germans who just look like canadians. I said, it was no coincident that an org, when 5 out of his 7 coordinators are german citizens. And then, during the time they "assist" me, all the other people who are involved in that FIASCO (that turns out to be anything BUT helping), are germans as well.<br>--<br>No, I don't think its a coincidence, i think its <br><br>Federal Intelligence Service [BND]<br>Bundesnachrichtendienst <br><br>--<br>But I am also wondering how canada is being managed, so that so many foreign orgs/govs are just having a ball there, doing what they like, more or less. But, in fact, that's a stupid comment, all countries are run this way, nowadays. i was just duped AGAIN ! <br><br>--<br>Another oddity was finding out, late in life, that there are still some genuine nazis around the world (namely, of the same nationality as the original folks). Shouldn't be a surprise though, why not ? there are israeli nazis, american nazis, why should there not be some deutch ones ?<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 7/11/06 3:37 pm<br></i>

[blanc]

some time ago (have lost link) biao let us know of a german survivor having got asylum in australia on basis of non investigation of serious crime - human rights violation. at that time, a cloud flitted across my initial elation, I wondered, how will govts regard a flood of asylum seekers from 'democratic' govts with whom they are friendly. I mean I could (let's say) take a job lot of 50 survivors from the uk who have not had similar serious crimes against them investigated , which is a violation of their human rights, to another country to ask for refugee status. For a short while I imagined that that could be a way of bringing some accountability - then it seemed to me that a way would inevitably be sought to block such an embarassment.<br><br>Most orgs where survivors turn up, or where vulnerable people who might be fodder for perpetrating groups seem either to have been infiltrated or replicated. Its hard to trace the funding for charitable groups - if not impossible. And its quite hard to trace the expenditure, impossible in any detailed way.<br><br>Has anyone seen any information on why VAST broke from Amnesty? <p></p><i></i>