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Re: education education education

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:14 pm

Incidentally, before dismissing this as just someone "with an axe to grind", go read Charlotte Iserbyt's book "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America", or at least the intro and preface: She outlines just why it's deliberate and what her experience was from the inside, not the outside.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.pdf">www.deliberatedumbingdown.../DDDoA.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> in case you need the link.<br><br>It should alarm some people here that this may be deliberate and that among other things, the children are being sexually abused more than ever as they are dumbed down and trained not to trust their own parents and not to complain about grownups. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Re: education education education

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:58 pm

Educating a child is like a stool. It takes at least three legs for best balance. It's a school's job to teach, but it is the parents' job to provide an enviroment that encourages learning and a child's job to learn. As Starman's story illustrates, it isn't impossible to balance on just two legs, it just would be better to have three. Unfortunately, too many children in today's society are spoiled, and then the parents can't figure out why their little darlings are underachieving. Of course, the first target of blame is the school. But I imagine that if it is your job to turn out an assembly line of literate little munchkins every year, it is more helpful to incorporate a certain amount of compliance training than individuality.<br><br>Interesting theory, though. I'm just now remembering my mom's conversations about how important her early school lessons were back in the nineteen twenties, thirties, in not only teaching how to read, but the moral lessons that were incorporated into the stories, kind of the Pollyanna type. Guess what her politics are. Terribly conservative Republican.<br><br>Re the article, a pancake always has two side. I'd love to have a look at the school's side of that one. Something smells funny about this pancake.<br><br>I wonder what would happen if schools totally stopped testing kids, grading them. Do you really think kids would stop learning? I'm wondering if scoring kids is a part of the educational process, teaching competition. And does teaching competition lead to a less cooperative, more me-oriented populace? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 3/10/06 11:05 am<br></i>
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Re: education education education

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:22 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Educating a child is like a stool. It takes at least three legs for best balance. It's a school's job to teach, but it is the parents' job to provide an enviroment that encourages learning and a child's job to learn.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The thing is that earlier, parents didn't have to worry about providing the environment to learn because SCHOOL was the environment to learn and schools weren't just giant Skinner boxes that taught children how to behave to different situations in the "appropriate manner".<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Interesting theory, though. I'm just now remembering my mom's conversations about how important her early school lessons were back in the nineteen twenties, thirties, in not only teaching how to read, but the moral lessons that were incorporated into the stories, kind of the Pollyanna type. Guess what her politics are. Terribly conservative Republican.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Morality has nothing to do with being a Republican. In fact, let's not forget that the Democrats of her time later became the Republicans of the 1980s. Reagan was a Democrat during the Keneddy era, for example.<br><br>And frankly, I see nothing wrong with teaching a little morality. It certainly beats the death and thug culture pervasive in schools today.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I wonder what would happen if schools totally stopped testing kids, grading them. Do you really think kids would stop learning? I'm wondering if scoring kids is a part of the educational process, teaching competition. And does teaching competition lead to a less cooperative, more me-oriented populace?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The kids are really learning just enough to score high on the tests. If you give the same tests to the kids one year later, overall the scores are much lower. They're not learning-- they're memorizing. It's behavior conditioning-- pass this test and you'll get a high mark. But the learning doesn't seem to be happening much at all. There is very little retention.<br><br>What IS being retained though is the Hegelian dialectic of problem-crisis-solution and the Skinner principles of being rewarded for "good" behavior-- i.e., giving the correct answer. But once the danger of not being rewarded is gone, the correct answer fades away because it was mostly just learned for that situation and since they have moved on to other subjects and the answer is not being re-inforced, so the material fades.<br><br>What they DO walk away with is that if they behave well, they will be rewarded. Thinking outside the box and questioning the given correct answer is usually punished. It's a perfect preparation for a life of pushing paper around, living in a cube for 8 hours a day, and accepting the status quo, and watching mind-numbing television and being oblivious to what is being reported since they barely know where countries like Iraq and Afghanistan are. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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reading material

Postby lilorphant » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:40 pm

Every book my kids came home with was depressing.<br><br>The Canadian Goose Quilt-at least two family members die in the book.<br><br><br>Holes-the movie was made into a comedy, but the book horified me.<br><br>Hatchet-Kid goes down in a airplane accident, and is left to fend for himself in the Alaskan wilderness.<br><br>Most of the books used are award-winning, and that pushes them into curriculum, but I was not amused by what I felt was Lifetime Channel for Kids content. I would be fine with the content if they weren't being bombarded by depressing content every day. At about seventh grade they just started to shut down from it. I home-educated them for two years, and they went back into the district ahead of their peers. <br><br>Some teenage books have content that clearly teaches them cynicism. "Are You Home Alone?" is about a rape, in which the teen perpetrator comes from a wealthy family, and gets off scott-free. The cover of the book in no way addresses what the book is about except some spooky illustrations, and the insinuation that "someone is watching". I though it would be fine for my daughter, when she read it, and told me what happened, I couldn't believe it, so read it myself. That book has no business being on a shelf for kids without some description.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: relationship between nutrition and brain function

Postby * » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:43 pm

<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> "..research which showed the relationship between nutrition and brain function is ignored as far as public education policy is concerned.."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.wanttoknow.info/050520schooldietchange">School Diet Change Brings Improved Behavior, Healthier, More Focused Students</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Before the ******on Wisconsin high school replaced their cafeteria's processed foods with wholesome, nutritious food, the school was described as out-of-control. There were weapons violations, student disruptions, and a cop on duty full-time. After the change in school meals, the students were calm, focused, and orderly. There were no more weapons violations, and no suicides, expulsions, dropouts, or drug violations. The new diet and improved behavior has lasted for seven years, and now other schools are changing their meal programs with similar results.<br><br> Years ago, a science class at ******on found support for their new diet by conducting a cruel and unusual experiment with three mice. They fed them the junk food that kids in other high schools eat everyday. The mice freaked out. Their behavior was totally different than the three mice in the neighboring cage. The neighboring mice had good karma; they were fed nutritious whole foods and behaved like mice. They slept during the day inside their cardboard tube, played with each other, and acted very mouse-like.<br><br> The junk food mice, on the other hand, destroyed their cardboard tube, were no longer nocturnal, stopped playing with each other, fought often, and two mice eventually killed the third and ate it. After the three month experiment, the students rehabilitated the two surviving junk food mice with a diet of whole foods. After about three weeks, the mice came around.<br><br> Sister Luigi Frigo repeats this experiment every year in her second grade class in Cudahy, Wisconsin, but mercifully, for only four days. Even on the first day of junk food, the mice's behavior "changes drastically." They become lazy, antisocial, and nervous. And it still takes the mice about two to three weeks on unprocessed foods to return to normal. One year, the second graders tried to do the experiment again a few months later with the same mice, but this time the animals refused to eat the junk food.<br><br> Across the ocean in Holland, a student fed one group of mice genetically modified (GM) corn and soy, and another group the non-GM variety. The GM mice stopped playing with each other and withdrew into their own parts of the cage. When the student tried to pick them up, unlike their well-behaved neighbors, the GM mice scampered around in apparent fear and tried to climb the walls. One mouse in the GM group was found dead at the end of the experiment...."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Little Manchurian Candidates

Postby * » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:52 pm

<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://informationclearinghouse.info/article4428.htm">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Learning to Be Stupid in the Culture of Cash"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>By Luciana Bohne<br><br>08/12/03: You might think that reading about a Podunk University's English teacher's attempt to connect the dots between the poverty of American education and the gullibility of the American public may be a little trivial, considering we've embarked on the first, openly-confessed imperial adventure of senescent capitalism in the US, but bear with me. The question my experiences in the classroom raise is why have these young people been educated to such abysmal depths of ignorance.<br><br>"I don't read," says a junior without the slightest self-consciousness. She has not the smallest hint that professing a habitual preference for not reading at a university is like bragging in ordinary life that one chooses not to breathe. She is in my "World Literature" class. She has to read novels by African, Latin American, and Asian authors. She is not there by choice: it's just a "distribution" requirement for graduation, and it's easier than philosophy -she thinks.<br><br>The novel she has trouble reading is Isabel Allende's "Of Love and Shadows," set in the post-coup terror of Pinochet's junta's Nazi-style regime in Chile, 1973-1989. No one in the class, including the English majors, can write a focused essay of analysis, so I have to teach that. No one in the class knows where Chile is, so I make photocopies of general information from world guide surveys. No one knows what socialism or fascism is, so I spend time writing up digestible definitions. No one knows what Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" is, and I supply it because it's impossible to understand the theme of the novel without a basic knowledge of that work - which used to be required reading a few generations ago. And no one in the class has ever heard of 11 September 1973, the CIA-sponsored coup which terminated Chile's mature democracy. There is complete shock when I supply US de-classified documents proving US collusion with the generals' coup and the assassination of elected president, Salvador Allende.<br><br>Geography, history, philosophy, and political science - all missing from their preparation. I realize that my students are, in fact, the oppressed, as Paulo Freire's "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed" pointed out, and that they are paying for their own oppression. So, I patiently explain: no, our government has not been the friend of democracy in Chile; yes, our government did fund both the coup and the junta torture-machine; yes, the same goes for most of Latin America. Then, one student asks, "Why?" Well, I say, the CIA and the corporations run roughshod over the world in part because of the ignorance of the people of the United States, which apparently is induced by formal education, reinforced by the media, and cheered by Hollywood. As the more people read, the less they know and the more indoctrinated they become, you get this national enabling stupidity to attain which they go into bottomless pools of debt. If it weren't tragic, it would be funny.<br><br>Meanwhile, this expensive stupidity facilitates US funding of the bloody work of death squads, juntas, and terror regimes abroad. It permits the war we are waging - an unfair, illegal, unjust, illogical, and expensive war, which announces to the world the failure of our intelligence and, by the way, the creeping weakness of our economic system. Every man, woman, and child killed by a bomb, bullet, famine, or polluted water is a murder - and a war crime. And it signals the impotence of American education to produce brains equipped with the bare necessities for democratic survival: analyzing and asking questions.<br><br>Let me put it succinctly: I don't think serious education is possible in America. Anything you touch in the annals of knowledge is a foe of this system of commerce and profit, run amok. The only education that can be permitted is if it acculturates to the status quo, as happens in the expensive schools, or if it produces people to police and enforce the status quo, as in the state school where I teach. Significantly, at my school, which is a third-tier university, servicing working-class, first-generation college graduates who enter lower-echelon jobs in the civil service, education, or middle management, the favored academic concentrations are communications, criminal justice, and social work--basically how to mystify, cage, and control the masses.<br><br>This education is a vast waste of the resources and potential of the young. It is boring beyond belief and useless--except to the powers and interests that depend on it. When A Ukranian student, a three-week arrival on these shores, writes the best-organized and most profound essay in English of the class, American education has something to answer for--especially to our youth.<br><br>But the detritus and debris that American education has become is both planned and instrumental. It's why our media succeeds in telling lies. It's why our secretary of state can quote from a graduate-student paper, claiming confidently that the stolen data came from the highest intelligence sources. It's why Picasso's "Guernica" can be covered up during his preposterous "report" to the UN without anyone guessing the political significance of this gesture and the fascist sensibility that it protects.<br><br>Cultural fascism manifests itself in an aversion to thought and cultural refinement. "When I hear the word 'culture,'" Goebbels said, "I reach for my revolver." One of the infamous and telling reforms the Pinochet regime implemented was educational reform. The basic goal was to end the university's role as a source of social criticism and political opposition. The order came to dismantle the departments of philosophy, social and political science, humanities and the arts--areas in which political discussions were likely to occur. The universities were ordered to issue degrees only in business management, computer programming, engineering, medicine and dentistry - vocational training schools, which in reality is what American education has come to resemble, at least at the level of mass education. Our students can graduate without ever touching a foreign language, philosophy, elements of any science, music or art, history, and political science, or economics. In fact, our students learn to live in an electoral democracy devoid of politics - a feature the dwindling crowds at the voting booths well illustrate.<br><br>The poet Percy Bysshe Shelley wrote that, in the rapacity that the industrial revolution created, people first surrendered their minds or the capacity to reason, then their hearts or the capacity to empathize, until all that was left of the original human equipment was the senses or their selfish demands for gratification. At that point, humans entered the stage of market commodities and market consumers--one more thing in the commercial landscape. Without minds or hearts, they are instrumentalized to buy whatever deadens their clamoring and frightened senses--official lies, immoral wars, Barbies, and bankrupt educations.<br><br>Meanwhile, in my state, the governor has ordered a 10% cut across the board for all departments in the state - including education.<br><br>Luciana Bohne teaches film and literature at Edinboro University in Pennsylvania.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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CyberChrist and others. Please read my previous post.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:05 pm

It is obvious from your responses after mine that you are missing the expose' being hidden with the original post.<br><br>Please read John Taylor Gatto and not the John Birch Society version of why school's are bad.<br><br>REAL DOCUMENTED HISTORY as exposed by Gatto is the article's target, not bad schools. 'Bad schools' is the valid bait.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Gatto

Postby mother » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:26 pm

Hugh, I think I read about Gatt from your link, but didn't get to his actual essays? Also, wasn't there a huge discussion about Gatto's theories last year on this board? By the way, I think what bothers me the very most about our recent experience with the public schools is this: I see it as almost exactly run on the model of jeuvenile treatment facilities. I can not stand the psychological/behavioral or what ever you call it, and the BS reading material that went along with it. We had some disturbed foster kids who were involved with treatment centers and the similarity was staggering. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: CyberChrist and others. Please read my previous post.

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:59 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It is obvious from your responses after mine that you are missing the expose' being hidden with the original post. Please read John Taylor Gatto and not the John Birch Society version of why school's are bad. REAL DOCUMENTED HISTORY as exposed by Gatto is the article's target, not bad schools. 'Bad schools' is the valid bait.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hugh, I think that maybe I didn't make myself clear.<br><br>It's not the schools that are bad. It's the system that has set up the schools. Charlotte Iserbyt goes well into detail in her book that I linked. It relates back to people like the Carnegies and the Rockefellers.<br><br>I have read Gatto before and I agree with a lot that he has to say. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Re: Gatto isn't theory. That is why it is dangerous to PTBe.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:07 pm

This is what Gatto found in schools and probably still doesn't realize what he found.<br><br>mother, I've found the E=mc2 of ALL human behavior that this board should know and I'm suprised Jeff hasn't gone there yet.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.actabuse.com/chartofcoercion.html">www.actabuse.com/chartofcoercion.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>It is called <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Biderman's Chart of Coercions</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, eight ways to break the human will codified in the 1950s when examining US prisoners of war back from China.<br><br>Now women's shelters recognize it as abusive family dynamics.<br>BUT it is built into infancy and childhood and exactly what the PTBe tap into to steer us through our primal emotions.<br><br>Childhood, school, torture, ritual abuse. <br>All Biderman's Chart of Coercions.<br><br>Study it.<br><br>It is the baseline Abu Ghraib all children experience first from parents and then schools, religion, and abusive government using control "for your own good" and thus confusing us and sowing us with neuroses to be harvested by the knowing Powers That Be.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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