Is "Trance-formation of America" credible?

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Is "Trance-formation of America" credible?

Postby rothbardian » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:05 pm

I just got through reading Trance-formation of America for the first time. I had seen numerous quotes and excerpts over the last couple of years.<br><br>It's a testimony of a 'mind-controlled' slave who was abused at the hands of top political leaders and others, for many years.<br><br>My impression is that the book is riddled with corroborative, supporting elements. It has a resounding 'ring of truth' in my opinion.<br><br>Obviously, the most dramatic corroboration has to do with Dick Cheney's private parts. Cheney's dramatically oversized pee-pee is referred to five different times in O'Brien's book which was written back in 1995.<br><br>A full decade later, in 2005, there was much snickering and guffawing as a revealing photo of Cheney made it's way through the Internet. It was clear to see in this photo, that O'Brien knew what she was talking about. I'll spare you the actual photo but here's the link:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www12.brinkster.com/poptarts/dickcheney.jpg">www12.brinkster.com/popta...cheney.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>If she was telling the truth about her sexual and mind control slavery in regard to Cheney, why would she make up the rest of it? The book itself started off as a legal document and was a very earnest effort on O'Brien's part to seek justice for herself and her daughter.<br><br>A number of other survivors have reported sexual abuse and slavery at the hands of an extremely wide variety of political leaders, and business and entertainment celebrities. Therefore when she provides other names and describes the reprehensible behavior of these people, I don't know why I shouldn't be greatly swayed by her credibility.<br><br>She describes brutal experiences with <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Reagan</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bush Sr. and Jr</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->., <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Gerald Ford</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Hillary Clinton</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Robert Byrd</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, a "satanic" <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Lamar Alexander</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, a savage torture experience with <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Patrick Leahy</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. <br><br>Other perpetrators who are part of O'Brien testimony-- <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>De la Madrid (Mexican president), Jimmy Buffet, Lee Greenwood, Sparky Anderson, Tommy Lasorda, Nolan Ryan.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>She tells of the White House virtually having it's own private pornographer who would create customized films involving the sex slaves. Reagan apparently had a huge penchant for bestiality films involving O'Brien.<br><br>Another corroborating element is her description of huge involvement in drug-smuggling on the part of government leaders. She quotes Cheney saying to her that Vice-President Bush is just that...the president of 'vice' (referring to drug-smuggling). <br><br>She also describes Clinton as being deeply involved. Again, this is all being written about, way back in 1995. Who knew? It wasn't until 1998 that Gary Webb came out with his report ("Dark Alliance") about high-level drug-smuggling.<br><br>I've tried to look at the 'other side of the story' but, for example, Martin Cannon's attempt to debunk is badly botched and full of factual errors which, to me, belied an odd prejudice against O'Brien's overall story.<br><br>And precious few debunkers have come forward since the dramatic Cheney corroboration to do their penance, adding even more to their credibility problems.<br><br>For example, we have the hallowed (at least here at RI) Kathleen Sullivan, who has made sniffy remarks about O'Brien not being good-looking enough to have been a slave, whereas supposedly Sullivan was. <br><br>I have seen photos of both of these women in their younger years and let's just say I find Sullivan's claims confusing. See below photo of a younger O'Brien.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.mosquito-verlag.de/images/trance/cathy_obrien.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br> <br>Again, the problem for me with those who attempt to dismiss everything or much of what O'Brien is saying is this-- <br><br>If the centerpiece of her story is true, and she and her daughter were enslaved and abused by Cheney...<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>why risk discrediting and thus lose your target (bringing Cheney to justice)</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> by wildly embellishing and falsely accusing a bunch of people who are liable to come up with alibis? <br><br>The fact is that these astonishing and otherwise unbelievable tales have been echoed over and over...by Paul Bonacci and Alicia Owen (of the Franklin scandal), Brice Taylor and many more.<br><br>There is widespread pedophilia and sexual assaults being perpetrated by a wide array of political leaders and other powerful and influential people. We're seeing it all around the world. So...I'm not sure what the huge 'hang-up' is here. <br><br>Yes, O'Brien's husband was involved in the intelligence community, but there are supposedly good guys AND bad guys in that world. If there are "disinformation" purposes here, I don't know what they might be.<br><br>Maybe somebody has some insights or some angles that I haven't thought of.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Is "Trance-formation of America" credible?

Postby bvonahsen » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:50 pm

I haven't read it but I tend to believe survivors and not perps. But it's hard to know what parts are accurate memories and what parts were planted to discredit and mislead. The best way to find out would be to ask those responsible, preferably with the aid of thumbscrews and cattle prods. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Is "Trance-formation of America" credible?

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Re: Is "Trance-formation of America" credible?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:11 pm

cept they might enjoy it bv. <p></p><i></i>
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Cheney, Dick

Postby El Tedo » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:13 am

I've only seen that one photo (Jeff's posted) of Cheney's alleged "Donkey Dong". I don't think one photo in the digital age can be proof of anything. It could just be trick of light, compression or just a photoshop manipulation. If he's hung like that is should be visible in more than one photo. <br><br>So someone here has to scour the the net looking at Cheney's crotch. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney, Dick

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:43 am

Sounds like you are volunteering El Tedo.<br><br>Personally I think its crap. (Dunno about the book).<br><br>Cheney's behaviour is classical small dick behaviour.<br><br>But its a great piece of propaganda bullshit to spread. It must be great knowing that everyone that is against you things you have some mighty schlong.<br><br>Especially if its smaller than my pinky and hasn't worked for 30 years. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney, Dick

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:59 am

Looked like a catheter to me. The only thing in that pic that would make him smile that much is the dope he's on to dull out the pain of having a rubber hose crammed down his weenie.. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney, Dick

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:40 am

Dick Cheney on smack and the Vatican mafia<br>Everything is under control <br>They got your soul<br>Its under control<br><br>- Cut Copy <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney, Dick

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:39 pm

I didn't read "Trance-Formation" until I'd recovered a lot of my own memories of having grown up inside a mind control program. The survivor who found me was very definite about my avoiding reading any survivor bios at first, so I waited until the flood of memories was shut off by an accessing, then waited some more to be certain, before beginning to read the survivor literature. And since my own mentor was 100% convinced that Phillips was running an 'attract and discredit' op for the CIA and I shouldn't go to their site, I wasn't able to find O'Brien's book for a long time. I did find books by the Hersha sisters, K. Sullivan, Annie McKenna and Sue Ford ("Brice Taylor") though. Still need to get Carol Rutz's book.<br><br>So I had some idea of what I'd find when I finally got hold of "Trance-Formation", but the graphic description of O'Brien's enslavement was still pretty ghastly to read. Some of the things she described in it and in "Access Denied" were very, very similar to what my alter Lily has shown to me--right down to clothing they were given to wear and the way they were treated and some of the men named as users of sex slaves. So I'm certain that some of what O'Brien says is very real. <br><br>But she recovered that body of memories while living with a CIA guy. It's difficult for me to imagine that they are uncontaminated by disinformation. And she's completely, uncritically worshipful of Phillips in ways that are unintentionally hilarious, especially in "Access Denied" where her purple prose about their sex life afforded me a lot of unintended (and welcome!) comic relief as I read it.<br><br>Together, they've repeatedly pulled some really nasty stuff on every other survivor who's been naive enough to approach them. If the woman has money, they get what they can out of her as they "deprogram" her, then they do an abrupt about-face and tell her she's delusional and was never in a MC program at all--! This goes a long, long way to discrediting them, in my opinion. And Cathy continues to bill herself as, I quote, "The ONLY vocal and recovered survivor" which is hilarious, when you think about it--she's invalidating all other survivors right at the outset....I mean, that's transparent.<br><br>So my own take on Cathy O'Brien is that she's a genuine survivor and that she's got a handler named Mark Phillips now. And that she's being used to lure other survivors who just might be threats to the programs into situations where they can be effectively muzzled via invalidation and public discrediting. Just my opinion, YMMV.<br><br>I strongly recommend that you read Sue Ford's version of her encounter with the two of them and see which person comes across as more believable. For me, Sue is, by far. Part of Cathy's problem with Sue is that Sue was personally programmed by Kissinger and used at higher levels for much more important assignments than Cathy was. She's also much better educated and a heck of a lot smarter. While I don't believe that ANY MC survivor's memories can be trusted 100% (including my own), I tend to find Sue's accounts FAR more believable than Cathy's, personally.<br><br>You can order her book from her for $29.95 + $5.00 shipping at:<br><br>Brice Taylor Trust<br><br>P.O. Box 332<br><br>Lynn, NC 28750<br><br>And I advise that you get it from her, so that she'll receive the income--if you buy it on eBay for $200+, she'll not get a penny of that.<br><br>LilyPat<br> <p></p><i></i>
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O'Brien

Postby rothbardian » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:21 pm

LilyPatToo--<br><br>Thanks for the insights. I had heard this before-- about the cat/dog fights going on among the MC survivors. I guess maybe there is competition for the limited dollars available from the MC survivor seminar circuit?<br><br>It's all very tragic. To go through those experiences, and end up in a cat/dog fight with fellow survivors. I can't help but think that it's partly the result of your emotions and psyche being tapped out, your daughter being virtually held in prison and unable to get treatment, your finances always on the brink. On and on. It doesn't bring out the best in people.<br><br>I'm still intrigued by how the husband may still be trying to manipulate and 'disinform'. You describe it as "attract and discredit". That might be. His job, in other words, is to attract large numbers of people, then behave so badly that people become doubtful of his and Cathy's integrity.<br><br>It seems though, that this largely leaves the content of her story intact...and in fact, makes it more interesting, since her husband's task (in this theory) is to shoo people away (ostensibly from the truth).<br><br>And if there is some embellishing and 'add ons' involved in her story, I wonder what purpose that serves, because once a reader like me is deep into a reading of her testimony, it makes almost zero difference to me, whether or not her 'Lamar Alexander' stories (for example) are an add-on or not.<br><br>The whole thing is so shocking and so flabbergasting that...you can give or take an 'inserted' story here or there and it wouldn't make any difference on the impact it is having on the average reader. Or so it would seem.<br><br>At this point, by the way, I have absolutely no problem believing that a folksy "aw shucks" flannel-shirt wearing Lamar Alexander is in actuality a satanic, serial murderer/rapist.<br><br>So if this is largely a disinformation effort, I guess I'm still trying to figure out how it works...other than the possibility that the husband/wife team's objective is to disrupt. Maybe that's the agenda?<br><br>But again, wouldn't the disinformers know that most people like me, would simply recognize that while, indeed, there are some 'soap opera' shenanigans going on with the 'professional MC survivor circuit'...the message and the content is generally true (huge numbers of top leaders engaged in staggering evil and conspiracy)?<br><br>Oh well...I continue to live and learn.<br><br>I very much intend to get Brice Taylor's book ("Thanks For the Memories"). Thanks for the info.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: O'Brien

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:15 pm

Actually, the way that the disinformation is disseminated is in the text of the book and in their speeches.<br><br>The "attract and discredit" is done this way -- <br><br>1. They publish the books and speak at conventions, etc.<br><br>2. Other survivors recognize elements of their own personal history in Cathy's story and contact them, begging for help in deprogramming.<br><br>3. They welcome them warmly, listen to everything the survivor is able to recall--even to the extent of living with the person for a time, in some cases.<br><br>4. When the survivor has told them everything that they remember, they earnestly tell her that she is NOT a survivor of a mind control program and is delusional. <br><br>And then they wait for the next victim.<br><br>The result? The survivor is devastated and knows that Cathy and Mark will tell anyone who asks that they are mentally ill and their story is fantasy. And the CIA has every scrap of information that the poor victim can remember AND they now know where the person can be found, if they're from an older, discontinued program....Get the picture? <br><br>They've successfully done this to 2 high-profile survivors that I've heard of and I strongly suspect that their little con has been perpetrated upon all of the women who've come to them for help. I watch the boards in hopes of running into other survivors who've been invalidated by them, but it's so traumatic and crushing for the poor invalidated person that I suspect that a lot of them simply drop out of sight.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: O'Brien

Postby rothbardian » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:08 pm

First of all, my heart goes out to Havanagilla, whatever her situation is. "Bye and peace" is very haunting. I believe in prayer so..that's my outlet.<br><br><br>LilyPatToo--<br><br>If what you say is true, that's very bad stuff.<br><br>I would wonder how they get Cathy to go along with that. I had thought that if someone is largely 'reintegrated', the control that the handlers need to get the MC victims to go along with their various dastardly deeds, is mostly gone.<br><br>She has a seemingly wide-ranging recovered memory which she relied upon to write the books (some suspected 'implanted' memories notwithstanding). So doesn't most of the 'mind control' go out the window, in that case? <br><br>In other words, given what she has gone through, her strongest inclination would be to identify with these victims, and to extend compassion to them.<br><br>I can't imagine her running into another victim who may have also had their children abused...and then deliberately re-victimizing that person<br><br>So if what you're saying is true then she is still heavily controlled <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>or</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->...she is largely re-integrated and knows what she is doing in abusing these already heavily victimized people...but does it anyway(?).<br><br>Maybe if she is desperate enough for emotional 'sustenance' from her CIA husband, she capitulates to his agenda and buries it all in her subconcious?<br><br>This stuff is really hard to understand.<br><br>I wonder what the latest status is of her daughter.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: O'Brien

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:50 pm

What makes you think she's reintegrated/deprogrammed? I'm sure Phillips has told her that she is and that she believes him, but that doesn't make it so.<br><br>You asked, <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>She has a seemingly wide-ranging recovered memory which she relied upon to write the books (some suspected 'implanted' memories notwithstanding). So doesn't most of the 'mind control' go out the window, in that case? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Simply recovering memories doesn't free a slave from the codes that can be used to access them, though it can definitely help to make them safer, since they'll have a much better idea of how the accessings took place and who their handlers or programmers and their owner(s) are.<br><br>IMO, Cathy is still heavily controlled, since I agree that she doesn't seem like the kind of creep who would knowingly entrap and then invalidate other survivors. That opinion is based only upon her books, speeches and videos that I've watched of her. She appears to be so completely obsessed on her "rescuer" that I think she would do almost anything he asked, completely voluntarily, with no need for codes to be used. But that's just a guess. He might access her and work on her programming frequently, for all I know.<br><br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">One of the things that's difficult for non-program people to grasp is the fact that once a code is used successfully and an alternate personality is called up, the usual "front" personality will have no memory of what is done or said to that alter at all. With competently-installed programming that is supported by hypnosis and drugs, the amnesia between alter states is TOTAL.</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><br>When I lose time, it's usually lost for good. Once, I did manage to notice it very soon afterwards and do some detective work and recover fragments of memories, but that's very unusual. I've come to inside office buildings with no memory of how I got there, met Mob bosses who knew me well, who I had no recollection of ever even seeing before and wakened up lying on my back on the floor, bruised and with my clothing disarrayed, missing a couple of hours. That last one happened multiple times in the late 1980's through the early 1990's, then the big military bases here closed and at least that part of it ceased.<br><br>I've met a number of survivors who believe that they're deprogrammed, but I have my doubts. If they were still accessed only while asleep, they'd have no way of knowing about it, if they lived alone. I doubt that Cathy O'Brien is free, but that's just my guess, based upon what I've seen and heard so far. <br><br>The last I heard of her daughter, she was said to be out of that hellish juvie facility, but my guess is that she's still "program", poor kid. She and Sue Ford's daughter (also named "Kelly"--the name given to a number of "Bush Babies") are terribly damaged young women--please pray for them. I get choked up just thinking about them. At least my son is out of their clutches.<br><br>LilyPat<br><br>havanagilla, if you read this, please email or PM me--I'm so worried about you.... <p></p><i></i>
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Watch these please

Postby cortez » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:53 am

I say get her story out there and let the chips fall where they may. <br><br>The Most Dangerous Game -Student Forum<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ei7May-uoRg">youtube.com/watch?v=Ei7May-uoRg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>B-Roll from the Most Dangerous Game<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ypLASLhZ3U">youtube.com/watch?v=0ypLASLhZ3U</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>& I got Mind Control Out of Control on Youtube before <br>they cut the limit down to to 10 minutes <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=cYtXwoTw4hc">youtube.com/watch?v=cYtXwoTw4hc</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>more here<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/my_playlists?p=3F1324D741593DB2">youtube.com/my_playlists?...D741593DB2</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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These ones are good

Postby cortez » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:27 am

This from the 20 minute Q&A after Mind Control Out of Control <br><br>chopped in 1/2 of course<br><br>PT1<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=h_1P-HL4x28">youtube.com/watch?v=h_1P-HL4x28</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>PT2<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=VvAZq-QraXk">youtube.com/watch?v=VvAZq-QraXk</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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