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Re: TV as hypnotism

Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:44 pm

That's fascinating. Over the years, I've watched my husband become so unwittingly addicted to the flickering glow of a TV screen that he automatically switches one on in any room he walks into and then stares, entranced, at it. But if you mention it, he adamantly denies that he does it. It bothers me a little, but I'm not sure what to do about it. <br><br>One of the things I've noticed about other survivors of mind control programs is their starkly diametric reaction to TV/movies--either they're addicted to them and use them to control their anxiety/stress levels OR they hate and avoid them. That's probably due to their personal emotional response to dissociation--some of us love and seek it and some loathe and avoid it. But all of us are highly dissociative and, as a result, hypnotizable and at-risk for the use of hypnotic trances to program us.<br><br>Most people seem to be vulnerable to some sort of trance-inducing processes, but with the ubiquity of TVs in modern society, it seems to me that they and video games pose the greatest opportunities for abuse by would-be Controllers. It makes me very nervous to hear that video game developer get all defensive about his right to create what he wants, yet not address the dangers his "art" might pose to others except to say he "warns people"...I seriously doubt if most people have Clue #1 about how easily they can be entranced.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: TV as hypnotism

Postby orz » Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:48 pm

Interesting stuff HMW!! (I mean the content of the article, not the irrelevent appearence of the words "Mulholland" and "Drive" <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> )<br><br>Television is pretty evil for sure... I avoid watching if at all possible!!<br><br>Godfrey Reggio (director of Koyaanisqatsi) made a short film called "Evidence" which sounds interesting + ties in with this stuff:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112990/">www.imdb.com/title/tt0112990/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>from a review there:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This is an incredible film in which you see the faces of completely mesmerized children. Their eyes are looking straight into the camera and have expressions that sometimes look horrified, sometimes angry or sad, but usually just plain intense.<br><br>At the end you learn that what you've been seeing is children who are watching television. Once you see this film, you will never let your kids watch TV again!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Haven't seen it myself... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: TV as hypnotism

Postby Dreams End » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:22 pm

I think, per this discussion, that this is the relevant quote:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>inducing trances was really very easy<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: TV as hypnotism

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:00 am

Agreed, DE. Seems that massaging the subconscious is mainly what the media players of Wall Street, the White House, State Department, and Pentagon do.<br><br>And we know who they are, right?<br><br>I'll bet this is why stage hypnotism and 'get healthy' therapeutic hynotism are pushed out in front to friendly up the topic and hide the very mechanisms of governance and commerce.<br><br>"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology. ...It's importance has been enormously Increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda ... Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated."<br>Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) Philosopher, educator<br><br>"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."<br>-- Ralph Waldo Emerson. 1843 <p></p><i></i>
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Dating as hypnotism

Postby Jezebelladonna » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:30 am

Just read about a new :mesmerizing" way to meet singles....<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eyegazingparties.com/index.html">www.eyegazingparties.com/index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>From the above link:<br><br>The eyes are the window of the soul, so it's a lot easier to have a mezmerising conversation with someone after you've spent some time looking into his or her eyes. That is the simple idea behind Eye Gazing Parties. Banal chit-chat about employment status, the location of your apartment, or where you're from is not a great way to spark a captivating connection with an alluring new person. Eye contact is.<br><br>Here's how it works. An even number of singles meets in an attractive space over drinks and world beats. After a fun mini-lesson in the art of eye contact, the group splits into pairs, and each pair spends two minutes looking at each other's eyes, no talking, with inviting beats in the background. The pairs switch up every two minutes, for a total of half an hour. Then there's a party afterwards, with drinks flowing and luscious beats vibing. The eye gazing has an electrifying effect on the party; simply put, three minutes of eye contact is the Cadillac of ice-breakers. Come try out the exciting new way to meet single souls! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby ParisianAttackMonkey » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:23 am

Here's that short movie "Evidence".<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu4B_AZ0_Y">www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu4B_AZ0_Y</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This is us when we were kids. We're still trying to recover. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Dating as hypnotism

Postby Dreams End » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:36 am

Not exactly what I meant, Hugh. What I meant was, it's evidently easy to take a person and put them in a trance and give literal suggestions. Mass psychological manipulation etc are important...just not what I was referring to here.<br><br>Read the Ericksonian handshake again. You take someone's hand in a certain way and they are not aware of what you are up to. You linger a bit in letting go and do a few subtle things so that they have their attention drawn to their hand. He stopped his explanation with some weird effects people noticed...but you can keep going, getting them to focus more deeply on their hand and then into a deeper trance state. <br><br>once there, you can implant suggestions that whenever you say a word or phrase, they will go back into this state.<br><br>I didn't read all your Eastabrook posting as I've read it before, so I don't know if you got this part but he or someone in the program was interested in being able to churn out a Manchurian candidate in a matter of a couple of hours. This must have seemed theoretically possible at the time.<br><br>I confess that the bizarrely elaborate programming some on this site have experienced doesn't make sense to me...as I would think it would be easier to have one or two alters with specific jobs and not one person constantly having all these capabilities. It's so elaborate that just keeping track of it all would be difficult. Maybe the folks who have had such things done had a separate experimental purpose. <br><br>So what I'm suggesting is that CIA Agent X will be trained to get you in a situation where you are alone...shake your hand and it's off to the races...or the zombie room or whatever else they want. <br><br>Add drugs and newer, sophisticated technology and there is absolutely nothing at all unbelievable about what some survivors as far as whether it's possible to program people in this way. In fact, what I'm suggesting is that for many, it's far EASIER to hypnotize and program them in this way at least to a certain extent. <br><br>On a separate note, I'd be interested in MC survivors' accounts where they have recovered information about specific missions they went on..not just noticed missing time. I'm pretty sure Candy Jones had this though I haven't read the book. She was the first to come forward claiming this....though it's possible her case has been debunked...her husband was an "amateur hypnotist" and was also a radio personality similar to Art Bell. <br><br>Plus, I don't see her mentioned to much in many of these discussions, so I wonder if those "in the know" have dismissed that case?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby orz » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:25 pm

thanks for posting that, ParisianAttackMonkey!<br><br>Youtube is god... wonder how long before napsterisation occurs! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:48 am

Candy Jones was programmed right here in Oakland, CA. While her story may have been embellished, from what I've read, it's entirely plausible and era-appropriate as far as its basic story goes. There ARE people who are dissociative enough to be programmed multiples even when recruited as adults. Estabrooks has written about soldiers that he turned into successful couriers and undercover intel agents.<br><br>The advantage of using traumatized children is simply that enormous, complex alter systems can be built and maintained if you get hold of a child early enough and traumatize them brutally enough. At what point the MC boys figured this out, I'm not certain, but most survivors who've retrieved many early memories underwent cult abuse and were sold to the MC programs when they were still very young. Their parents were sometimes given programming instruction at government expense and encouraged to have yet more children to raise in the program.<br><br>Re: memories of ops--if you're properly programmed and your memory barriers are intact, you're unlikely to have any memories of ops you've been used in. But I was not well maintained by my last owner and once I did manage to retrieve a number of memories the morning after an evening when I'd had 3 hours of missing time. But I'm afraid it wasn't a cool "secret agent" type intelligence operation--I was sent on a "date" with a rich old man. Most of the women I know who have Beta alters did much more of that kind of work than they did James Bond stuff.<br><br>If I hadn't found an evening purse lying out on the table that should have been in a drawer, I would never have even realized that I hadn't done what I remembered doing the evening before. I had a cover/screen memory that was *completely real to me*...but that purse shouldn't have been there. When I opened it, it was stuffed full of $100 bills. And that was such a totally impossible thing (we were very poor) that I began calling around until I found the babysitter that I had used and questioned her closely. Even after she'd told me several times how I was dressed and what I'd said to her, I still couldn't believe that it could be true. <br><br>Over the next 24 hours, though, as I struggled to retrieve memories, I managed to get hold of a few and they checked out. If I'd been being maintained properly though, that wouldn't have been possible. There are safeguards in place that should have prevented my recovering those memories. This is the only time I managed to do it, in all these years. Subsequently, I've had some dreams that are almost certainly memories of actual intel ops that I've been used on here in the Bay Area, but I haven't figured out how to confirm them with the details that I recall from the dreams.<br><br>I no longer post anywhere online or tell anyone when I retrieve what may be specific, verifiable program memories, due to having been accessed for memory barrier "tune-ups" immediately after doing it in the recent past. My current handler is a pro.<br><br>LilyPat<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby anotherdrew » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:29 am

something about Estabrooks, if his writtings are true, not simply exagerations or whatever for whatever purpose, then EVERYTHING we're commonly told by the vast majority of hypnotists is either a knowing or unknowing lie. I doub't most people who learn how to do it would ever dream of trying the sort of stuff that would be needed to really test the limits, other details of advanced technique may not be available from books or above-board teachers. <br><br>Perhaps some voluntary excercises/experiments could be organized to test publicly in the modern world what the limits really are? Are there sources other than Estabrooks with such tales to tell? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby bkkexile » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:46 am

Sorry to repeat myself. I recommend "Monsters and Magical Sticks: There's No Such Thing As Hypnosis." by Steven Heller, published by New Falcon. <br><br>His conclusion, the human condition is hypnosis and all of you are hypnotists, some of you just don't realise. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:01 am

A private communication from someone prompted me to add this:<br><br>I really appreciate specific info survivor's are offering. The abstract stories are, quite frankly, hard to accept...<br><br>I have a brain that mostly is in the paradigm that this does NOT happen the way people here say it does. But I am intellectually honest enough to have realized that there's enough evidence that it DOES happen this way that I have to revise this thinking. However, it's an internal war...a constant "suspension of disbelief."<br><br>That said, I don't want my questions to be interpreted as looking for info that could compromise the safety of a survivor or their supporters. So please interpret all questions with that caveat in mind. Obviously, if details or even vague allusions to details put someone in danger, then I don't want them.<br><br>So MUCH of this sounds specifically like the experience of my one former girlfiend who was "sold" to the German guy that I am ashamed of how I dismissed this story. I think I asked her questions and didn't dismiss it directly...but just thought it was another one of her "crazy stories." <br><br>If I had heard these similar stories BEFORE (though this was pre internet) I would have had a frame of reference to interpret these events. This is why the specifics are so helpful and why I asked for them.. And if SHE or someone like her, stumbled across this site for the first time and read this thread...she'd be far more likely to recognize her own story from those specifics than to vague references to "handlers" and mc. That's not a criticism...again, I don't want anyone to compromise their safety.<br><br>Just thought I should add that.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby professorpan » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:27 pm

LilyPat,<br><br>Fascinating (and horrific) anecdote about the purse.<br><br>I'm curious, though -- how is it that you currently have a "pro" handler, but manage to talk so openly about your experiences?<br><br>I'm not being skeptical at all -- it's just something I don't quite understand. You seem to have "broken through" and are very aware of your controllers, yet you still are, in some way, controlled.<br><br>Feel free to PM me, if that is more comfortable. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:30 pm

I have a theory about why a number of us survivors from the older programs are being permitted to post online about what we can remember--but it's only a theory. I suspect that we're being monitored very closely and specific data collected due to the Controllers' being taken completely by surprise at the way that midlife hormone fluctuations affected memory barriers.<br><br>With the rampant misogyny within the programs of the 40's through the 80's (and perhaps up to the present), I very much doubt that the scientists involved would have taken estrogen's role in brain function into account. I suspect that the perimenopause/menopause of so many female survivors is causing memory barrier breakdowns that were not foreseen in any way.<br><br>Also, it's been shown in DID/MPD patients that the death of the abusing parent frequently results in the surfacing of alters and memories that were previously locked away from the survivor. Think for a moment of the huge number of Boomers who are losing their aged parents right now....getting the picture? If you were a MC program administrator faced with a veritable flood of program survivors who were suddenly remembering things they were never expected to, what would you do? <br><br>You couldn't kill off all of them without attracting attention and your scientists would be clamoring for data. So why not allow a handful of them to post about what pitifully little they've managed to recall? If you look at most survivors' recollections, they tend to be bare of the kind of evidential details that could lead to prosecution of anyone involved. <br><br>Most non-survivors' reaction to even the little scraps we manage to remember is total disbelief, so our cumulative effect upon public denial around MC programs is not going to be affected at all. But think of all the data to be gleaned not only from what the survivors post, but also from the public's reactions to it...invaluable information for future psy ops programs and all they have to do is to let us spill our guts and monitor the reactions.<br><br>Just my current take on it, YMMV.<br><br>LilyPat<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby professorpan » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:43 pm

Thanks, LilyPat. Your ideas make a lot of sense. <p></p><i></i>
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