Speaking to friends

by **friend catcher** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:22 pm

First post although I've been reading Jeffs' blog for a couple of years. Registered today and tried to come up with an available name, gave up trying and decided the next track on the shuffle would do; Friend catcher- Birthday Party. Too appropriate. Friend of mine from nursery age and onwards. She is a believer.She Believes T.Blair is a decent man doing a hard job. Believes attacking Iraq was based on humanitarian principles. Believes the impending ID cards are a good thing. Believes the police need more powers. Believes Iran is building nukes. Believes Israel acts only in defence. Believes the BBC is unbiased. Believes the Catholic church is a force for good. I'm sure you can get this picture. It would be unfair and wrong to dismiss her as an idiot or something similar, and on a personal and local level she will go well out of her way to help people that she barely knows without expectation of reward or even acknowledgement. And yet there is somehow a disconnect that despite my fairly frequent reasoning remains intact. I picked up this speech by Hitler from medialens.org and will edit out the names of the countries involved <a href="http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1141569716.html">members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1141569716.html</a> to prove the point that justifications for agressive actions don't really change much. Clearly accusing someone of being in tune with Hitler rarely goes down well so any advice as to do or not to do will be welcome. "By the most brutal methods of terrorism, a regime sought to maintain an existence that was condemned by the overwhelming majority of its people...I have tried to persuade the responsible authorities that it is impossible for a great nation, because it is unworthy of it, to stand by and watch millions belonging to a great, an ancient civilized people be denied rights by their government... I have endeavoured to find some way to alleviate a tragic fate. One agreement was signed only to be broken. I then tried a second time to bring about an understanding. A few weeks later, we were forced to the conclusion that the government [of Austria] had no intention of carrying out this agreement in the spirit that had inspired it, but in order to create an excuse. I have determined, therefore, to place the help of our country at the service of these millions. Since this morning, our soldiers are on the march across all of Austria's frontiers." - Adolf Hitler, proclamation to the German people, 12 March 1938, justifying the German invasion of Austria (originally printed in the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives Monitor, April 2003 http://www.swt.org/share/ancientciv.htm)"We have no interest in oppressing other people. We are not moved by hatred against any other nation. We bear no grudge. I know how grave a thing war is. I wanted to spare our people such an evil. It is not so much the country [of Czechoslovakia]; it is rather its leader [Dr. Edward Benes]. He has led a reign of terror. He has hurled countless people into the profoundest misery. Through his continuous terrorism, he has succeeded in reducing millions of his people to silence. The Czech maintenance of a tremendous military arsenal can only be regarded as a focus of danger. We have displayed a truly unexampled patience, but I am no longer willing to remain inactive while this madman ill-treats millions of human beings." - Adolf Hitler, 14 April 1939, justifying the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, at the Sportpalast in Berlin (originally printed in the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives Monitor, April 2003 http://www.swt.org/share/ancientciv.htm)"The wave of appalling terrorism against the [minority] inhabitants of Poland, and the atrocities that have been taking place in that country are terrible for the victims, but intolerable for a Great Power which has been expected to remain a passive onlooker. We will not continue to tolerate the persecution of the minority, the killing of many, and their forcible removal under the most cruel conditions. I see no way by which I can induce the government of Poland to adopt a peaceful solution. But I should despair of any honourable future for my own people if we were not, in one way or another, to solve this question." - Adolf Hitler, August 23, 1939, justifying the German invasion of Poland, from letters sent to the UK and French governments in response to their communications condemning the invasion of Poland (originally printed in the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives Monitor, April 2003 http://www.swt.org/share/ancientciv.htm)

by **greencrow0** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:30 pm

<a href="http://www.acp-cpa.ca/en/M182006.htm">www.acp-cpa.ca/en/M182006.htm</a> Hi Friend Catcher Here's a good even to mark on your calendar. I plan to march. GC

by **slimmouse** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:14 pm

Welcome Friend Catcher. What these Hitler speeches cry out to me, or anyone else assuming they are authentic is Bush, Bushco, Bushism, Bushiness. Now then, how about examining the backers and financiers of all of the above ?

by **antiaristo** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:34 pm

Welcome aboard, friend catcher. I'd never have believed the truth unless it actually happened to me. You are very welcome to read my story, as told by personal correspondence between 1999 and 2004. And if you do so I will be happy to answer ANY question, EXCEPT for personal relations and my routine. There is a LOT of material. But if you want to help your friend, I will help you. First here <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=7.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...ID=7.topic</a> Then here <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=6.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...ID=6.topic</a>

by **friend catcher** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:40 pm

Hello Slimmouse, They do seem to be authentic and as you say they have a modern reverberation. The angle of who the backers are is a question that is rarely raised in mainstream Nazi history and is also rarely raised in contemporary 'war on terror' journalism. But the immediate interest for me is that the speaches of 1938/9 could almost word for word be reported as a Bush/Blair transcript. Not a surprise for readers of this blog/board but for an individual of the more conservative kind having hitlers' words and sentiments so clearly parallelling their own particular viewpoint must rattle the bars of self confidence. Then again once you throw Hitler/Nazi into an argument many will allow outrage to cover up the lack of a suitable response. Regards

by **slimmouse** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:10 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The angle of who the backers are is a question that is rarely raised in mainstream Nazi history and is also rarely raised in contemporary 'war on terror' journalism<hr></blockquote> Well, sure they won't, particularly given that Brown Brothers Harriman ( Who promoted Prescott Bush to such a lofty perch) along with Morgan Stanley, Koehn Loeb and others, played such a prominent role in all of this mayhem. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> But the immediate interest for me is that the speaches of 1938/9 could almost word for word be reported as a Bush/Blair transcript.<hr></blockquote> Perhaps Im a victim of following my instincts these days, and as such want such things to be true. That said, there are enough parallels to be drawn from memory. Hitler was after all, "liberating" Poland, France, and the rest of Europe from such tyranny, or so that is what his people were told. Bush meanwhile, is liberating Iraq, and 'spreading the flames of democracy throughout the middle east'. I know, cos the Resident in chief told me on my "fair and balanced" telly. All circumstantial of course. Just ask those posters who insist upon 'evidence' in one breath, whilst suggesting that we ' follow our instincts' on the other. "oh what a tangled web we weave.....etcetera"

by **Floyd Smoots** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:31 pm

Whack their pee-pee's, electronically speaking, of course!!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

by **meekster** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:07 am

"They do seem to be authentic and as you say they have a modern reverberation. The angle of who the backers are is a question that is rarely raised in mainstream Nazi history and is also rarely raised in contemporary 'war on terror' journalism. But the immediate interest for me is that the speaches of 1938/9 could almost word for word be reported as a Bush/Blair transcript." Yup. I fear it is no accident that Bushco invented "homeland" to echo the German "fatherland". When we have eyes to see, we see that Bush is almost a parody of German fascism, and many of us DO see it, hell, the rest of the world sees it. "Not a surprise for readers of this blog/board but for an individual of the more conservative kind having hitlers' words and sentiments so clearly parallelling their own particular viewpoint must rattle the bars of self confidence. Then again once you throw Hitler/Nazi into an argument many will allow outrage to cover up the lack of a suitable response." I know many people like that also. They'll happily send us to prison, believing that they are serving the greater good.

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