Slouching Toward Kristallnacht

[dugoboy]

just read the whole thing:<br><br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4728">www.myleftwing.com/showDi...aryId=4728</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--></span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><br>a taste:<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about - we were decent people - and kept us so busy with continuous changes and "crises" and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the "national enemies", without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>and<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>i'm off for a week vacation. bye all. good luck. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/17/06 3:49 pm<br></i>

[Dreams End]

This all comes from the same book, Milton Mayer's <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933 - 1945</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> which I highly recommend. Thanks for the post. Good blog. <p></p><i></i>

[dugoboy]

1945 - 1933 = 12 years<br><br>1933 - reichstag fire<br><br>12 years.<br><br>2001 - 9/11.<br><br>2012. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/17/06 4:01 pm<br></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>2012<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>ouch.<br><br>Enjoy your break, man. <p></p><i></i>

[existentialist]

isn't 2001 + 12 = 2013? Or am I being stupid? <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

existentialist: Depends on how you count it. Is 2001 the first or the second year of the new millenium?<br><br>Back to Nazis<br><br>I seem to remember a quote, don't know by whom, that went "We should have known by the trail of slime they left behind." <br><br>And if you read Bertand Russel's history of the west he claims that the holocost was made possible by hundreds of years of anti-semetic hate spewed from the pulpits of europe. Priests would even lead their congregants on murderous campains to burn down local synogoges. The pulpit was essentially the media information hub of the day. It was their mass media. Think about that and then think about radio today and what it is preparing people for. People wonder why our society is so coarse these days. They have only to look to right wing hate radio to find the answer. <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<br> French Empire,<br> British Empire,<br> German Empire,<br> American Empire.<br><br> That only covers less than 250 years.<br><br> And of course, that is merely on the face of things.<br><br> I guess the temple of the lord is truly within.<br><br> Take that to mean what you will. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

God is in his Holy Tem-pulll...<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~mlpaul/polt/kane4.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<br> Assuming ( As I now do ) that for "God" we must read infinite consciousness.....that of which we are all therefore made.....I guess that embraces the naughty ones too.<br><br> If you wish to see the father, then look within.<br><br> I believe that is a quote from a famous gnostic <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>God is in his Holy Tem-pulll...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Outstanding. Not too many Poltergeist 2 fans in my parts. That guy is a nominee for creepiest individual of all time (but wasn't he too taken down by the Poltergeist "curse" . . .). <p></p><i></i>

[jingofever]

You might be interested in this book: "War and Peace and War: The Life Cycles of Imperial Nations" by Peter Turchin. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131499963/sr=1-1/qid=1150653102/ref=sr_1_1/102-1155108-3744903?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books">www.amazon.com/gp/product...F8&s=books</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>A review from Publishers Weekly on Amazon.com:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Ranging freely from the founding of Rome to 17th-century North America, this provocative essay in "cliodynamics" ("the study of processes that change with time") searches for scientific regularities that underlie history. Ecologist and mathematician Turchin grounds his theory of preindustrial empires in the Arabic concept of asabiya, meaning a society's capacity for collective action. Empires germinate, he contends, along "meta-ethnic frontiers" where conflict between starkly alien peoples—Roman farmers vs. Celtic tribesmen in the fifth and sixth centuries B.C., say—fosters the social solidarity and discipline that empire building requires. Success, he continues, leads inexorably to decline: stability and prosperity produce overpopulation and a Malthusian crisis in which the struggle for scarce resources undermines social solidarity and triggers imperial collapse. Turchin's straining for scientific exactitude occasionally overreaches, yielding a proliferation of historical "cycles" of fuzzy periodicity, riddled with fudge factors like "mathematical chaos." Still, Turchin's focus on social cooperation as the key to history is a fruitful one, and his ideas generate many fascinating discussions of a wide variety of historical episodes, rendered in lucid, vigorous prose. The result, much in the vein of Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel, is a stimulating revisionist overview of world history. Maps. (Oct.)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I have not picked it up yet but hear it is good. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jingofever>jingofever</A> at: 6/18/06 12:52 pm<br></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

The Lucifer Principle described it in idiot-proof terms:<br><br>Tennis Time and Beach Time.<br><br>Simply put, cultures/societies on the rise operate on an aggressive Tennis Time while cultures/societies that achieved a certain threshold of dominance slide into an apathetic Beach Time. Success itself in a society appears to be a large determining factor of it's own inevitable collapse. <p></p><i></i>