Richard Heinberg Openly Supports White Separatist

by **Dreams End** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:47 pm

This has definitely caught my interest. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 11/1/05 2:48 pm

by **slimmouse** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Veritas, few words, then have to go help my mom until later today…when I’ll be back to read ALL your last post and tackle this head-on again.<hr></blockquote> Im rather baffled by all this Nazi hunting all over the place, if Im being honest. I mean, If I wanna see some real hard core practical Nazism in action, If I wanna see a "Reichstag Fire", If I wanna hear speeches emulating Hitlers "Raging fires of freedom speeches", If I wanna see an axis of evil, or new 4th reich incorporating any number of Nazi details including Lebensraum for instance, I just need to look at Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan. If I wanna see people being both literally and metaphorically being dressed up as "enemy combatants", I can see that all over the place today. Didnt Hitler do that too prior to his "liberation" of Poland ? The only thing we dont have just right yet are the internment/ death camps, and full censorship laws. But I believe theyre coming along fine. The pharmacutical/ GM industry meanwhile are certainly doing there bit. We also certainly have the Nazi style population. Either blissfully unaware, or simply turning their gaze the other way and pretending theres nothing wrong. And of course we have the informers and the shills. I really cant see the point of this discussion to be frank. It all strikes me as more of a distraction than anything serious.

by **robertdreed** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:55 pm

slimmouse, as recently as a year or two ago I would have agreed with you. But I found evidence for a Nazi revival continuing to accumulate, so I consider it more of a potential threat than formerly. For me, the thread in this discussion is valuable because it's like a distant early warning line. As crunch time approaches in terms of coming to terms with the sresting world population, I think extremist views are going to be coming out of the woodwork making their pitches. And the particular combination of ecological pessimism and "rationalist' apocalyptism that's being discussed is in dire need of having its precepts challenged, before its pessimist doctrines and mystical dogmas are adopted uncritically as the culmination of a purported "green" political agenda at some point in the future. Mind you, I also notice the attempts of the American neocons to demonize all opposition- particularly in Europe- to the Iraq invasion and occupation as deriving from anti-semitism and Jew-hatred. Everything from Rumsfeld ( who's of German heritage, which ought to end any confusion over whether "neocon" is a synonym for "Jew" ) referring to "old Europe" as part of his sinister insinuations, to the attempts of David Horowitz to inextricably smear the war opposition, especially in places like Germany, is founded on blood hatred of the Jews instead of the plainly apparent fact that it comes from a much more broad base of ordinary people who don't like bullying military nterventions, including the vast majority of German liberals. Not to say the neo-Nazis aren't playing any angle they can get...but I notice the insinuations of the Bush neocons. Bush- arguably the Chief Neocon- isn't Jewish either, by the way. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/1/05 4:10 pm

by **mother** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:03 pm

I understand this stuff pretty well, probably due to the influence of Catholic mysticism. I understand why it was so important for Hitler to aquire the "Spear of Destiny", the lance used by Longenis upon Christ at the Crucifixion, for example. The nazis, and there are many, disguised as various types are extremely devoted to this racial purity idea. It really appeals to people, this "you are descended from an ancient, extaordinary, royal and super-intelligent master-race which deserves to rule the world" concept employed over and over by these New Dawn types(and many others) The occultic masters, their nazi puppets do the same basic thing over and over, exploiting weakness and misery, our human nature which makes us wish we were special. Their true specialties include slavery, mind control, eugenics,war and hatred.

by **israelirealities** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:11 pm

distant early warning line ok, that makes sense to me. i was also under the impression that this is quite an esoteric concern these days, but being prepared for the next trouble is a very good idea. I think the Bush trouble was a proof - how bad it is to lag behind the plans of master=plotters of this vile kind. Monitoring is not a bad idea at all, as long as this does not come at the expense of dealing with the plotters at hand. It seems like there's a competition between evil allingments of the religious fundamentalism and the nazi paganism, which is worse ?

by **robertdreed** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:33 pm

I think it's worthwhile to consdier the possibility that some of the powerful "monotheistic" religious fundamentalist movements are run at the top by unbelievers consciously working deception. The possible outcomes they may be working for could include engineering the mass disillusionment of the deceived believers, which would in turn "open their minds" to alternatives such as malign variants of paganism with fascist, racist, and militarist political agendas. I'm most familiar with the phoniness of Christian fundamentalist variants like British Israelitism, which dispenses with the principle of univeralism in order to foist a "chosen people" bloodline-ancestry myth on white Anglo-Saxons and Celts, based on readings of who the twelve tribes and lost tribes of Israel are, and where the lost tribes settled when they left the Holy Land. That's halfway to Nazi paganism already. American variants like Christian Identity simply round out the formula by claiming that the present-day Jews are usurpers of God's covenant. Unlike CI's anti-Zionism, British Israelitism seems to be pro Israeli Zionist through and through. But...both sides of that coin look like a fake, to me. It's difficult to examine the history of British Israelitism without considering the possibility that rather than simply being self-deception, it's conscious trickery designed by experts. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/2/05 1:00 am

by **israelirealities** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:17 pm

That one is sophisticated.. just don't give them ideas :-). It actually seems, now, quite a plausible scenario. Can't stand this chosen people/bloodline archetype. Its obvious, from reading the bible that God didn't hesitate wiping out the chosens of sorts and replace them others, when they screwed up. Why don't we all sit down and discuss a decent rotation in "chosen of the month or century". Same goes for lost tribes, they were probably lost for a good reason, why look for them again ? i always enjoyed that part in the Bible when God gives Moses the commandments, and they both see the people having this huge drug-sex-pagan party down there. God's first reaction is clear : blot them all and let's start a new blood line, with you, Moses as the first of the line. Moses, realizing that this whole chosen thing is a sales con, says "thanks but no thanks" and let's them live. Clearly a genius wrote it, but nobody pays attention.

by **wintler** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:47 pm

Okay Veritas, so Heinberg has been published in New Dawn alongside various weavers of Thule Soc. type spells, once quoted favourably a pretty shady source, and has had book/s endorsed by V.Abernethy & D.Pimental. Thats not nothing, not at all, good on you for bringing it up. But its not decisive for me. How do you explain Heinbergs advocacy of relocalisation (surely counter to fascist aims), his stated belief that there was at least govt. complicity in 911 [ <a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/689.html">www.energybulletin.net/689.html</a> ] and call for real investigation and prosecutions? Nowhere yet have i seen Heinberg call for anyone to do things his way, call for anyone to disengage from politics or stop supporting judicial processes (this has been a common criticism of peak oilers). He's on about sustainability, and community, and 'living simply that others can simply live': ".. So we have to learn to use much less and that's a message American's don't like to hear. We have the world's largest propaganda system, called the advertising industry telling us in every possible way to use more and only that will make us happy, only that will make us fulfilled. That message has to be reversed and we have to become aware of these issues and talk about them with each other. Now that's a hard sell, it's so much easier to provide scapegoats, to say that there are enemies who wish to undermine our way of life and if only we will mobilize and eliminate those enemies, those sources of evil in the world. We can maintain our way of life in which we are unique, ah god has given it to us after all. " [from link] I don't believe a concious fascist would be making those arguments. Maybe he's deceived, but can you tell me Veritas or Proldic if you think that is so & in any case how Heinbergs message serves fascist/dark ends?

by **veritas** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:27 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>How do you explain Heinbergs advocacy of relocalisation (surely counter to fascist aims), <hr></blockquote> Have you read this yet? Important puzzle piece. <a href="http://www.spunk.org/library/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html">www.spunk.org/library/pla...peter.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>These latter two fixations matured in the second half of the nineteenth century in the context of the völkisch movement, a powerful cultural disposition and social tendency which united ethnocentric populism with nature mysticism. At the heart of the völkisch temptation was a pathological response to modernity. In the face of the very real dislocations brought on by the triumph of industrial capitalism and national unification, völkisch thinkers preached a return to the land, to the simplicity and wholeness of a life attuned to nature's purity. The mystical effusiveness of this perverted utopianism was matched by its political vulgarity. While "the Volkish movement aspired to reconstruct the society that was sanctioned by history, rooted in nature, and in communion with the cosmic life spirit," 8 it pointedly refused to locate the sources of alienation, rootlessness and environmental destruction in social structures, laying the blame instead to rationalism, cosmopolitanism, and urban civilization.<hr></blockquote> Compare, please: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Now, it can be argued that civilization per se is not at fault, that the problems we face have to do with unique economic and historical circumstances. But we should at least consider the possibility that our modern industrial system represents the flowering of tendencies that go back quite far. This, at any rate, is the implication of recent assessments of the ecological ruin left in the wake of the Roman, Mesopotamian, Chinese, and other prior civilizations. Are we perhaps repeating their errors on a gargantuan scale? --------snip for brevity..please read all------------------ The image of a lost Golden Age of freedom and innocence is at the heart of all the world's religions, is one of the most powerful themes in the history of human thought, and is the earliest and most characteristic expression of primitivism--the perennial belief in the necessity of a return to origins. As a philosophical idea, primitivism has had as its proponents Lao Tze, Rousseau, and Thoreau, as well as most of the pre-Socratics, the medieval Jewish and Christian theologians, and 19th- and 20th-century anarchist social theorists, all of whom argued (on different bases and in different ways) the superiority of a simple life close to nature. More recently, many anthropologists have expressed admiration for the spiritual and material advantages of the ways of life of the world's most "primitive" societies--the surviving gathering-and-hunting peoples who now make up less than one hundredth of one percent of the world's population. <a href="http://www.eco-action.org/dt/critique.html">www.eco-action.org/dt/critique.html</a><hr></blockquote> Wintler said: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> his stated belief that there was at least govt. complicity in 911 [ www.energybulletin.net/689.html ] and call for real investigation and prosecutions?<hr></blockquote> No, this is not important. Many fascists do the same, right here! Also wintler: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Maybe he's deceived, but can you tell me Veritas or Proldic if you think that is so & in any case how Heinbergs message serves fascist/dark ends?<hr></blockquote> Is he deceived or deceiver? Not on Abernathy. No. She is too well known. No mistake. Does he know who Dugin is? Does he know what New Dawn is? Yes. He still links there. He is not ashamed. There is a message broadcast from MANY corners. Some are extreme, angry and harsh like shattered glass at midnight. Some are soft and lulling like a plush chair before a warm and cozy fire. They warn us that the end is near. They comfort us that a Golden Age will come. A time of purging is coming. Are you one of the chosen? Will u live 2 see the Dawn? Dugin of the left-hand path says: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> We have forgiven nobody; we have forgotten nothing. We have not been deceived by the change of social scenery and political actors. We have a very good memory, we have very "long arms". We have a very severe tradition. Mazes of life, spirals of ideas, vortexes of anger... <a href="http://arctogaia.com/public/eng/gnostic.htm">arctogaia.com/public/eng/gnostic.htm</a><hr></blockquote> The storm is coming. The fire is crackling. yes.

by **wordspeak** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:30 am

Veritas, you should win a Pulitzer. Wintler, "localization" is not a good thing, that's your answer; it's being pushed by the system. It is, indeed, all very clear here. Spread the word.

by **jenz** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:43 am

"Tens of thousands of years ago, shamans in Siberia and Mongolia held the seven star constellation (Ursa Major) in reverence." etc evidence? First heard population extermination (as opposed to voluntary limitation) espoused by environmentalist 30 years ago. so what are you saying Veritas?

by **veritas** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:23 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>so what are you saying Veritas?<hr></blockquote> You have not read this thread carefully.

by **AnnaLivia** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:31 am

but I have something to say to our beloved Jeff Wells in the meantime: I THINK YOU OWE IT TO THIS COMMUNITY TO STICKY THIS THREAD. I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THREAD THIS BOARD HAS EVER SEEN. WE NEED EVERYONE IN HERE. I SUSPECT THE THUMPERTONS ARE REPORTING ALL THIS. YOUR BOARD MAY BE IN GREAT GREAT DANGER. MANY INNOCENTS DO NOT SUSPECT NOR COMPREHEND THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CONSEQUENCE OF IGNORING THIS. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, JEFF. PLEASE HELP US.

by **jenz** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:40 am

with respect veritas I have. If I were to wish to make an argument about the delusions of power, it wouldn't be enough for me to patch in lumps of King Lear and then say SEE.

by **veritas** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:50 am

not understand?

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