Richard Heinberg Openly Supports White Separatist

[israelirealities]

white is not same as moslem/christian of course, you didn't mean to compare, or did you ? (one can become christian/moslem, and even have a sex change operation, but cannot "convert" into white). I dont' understand why anyone even bothers to address this movement/opinion. Separatism by white, is another word for nazism, because the next thing that happens is that they dont have enough lebens-space, so that others, of "lower" skin colors, have to relocate in order to accomodate to this all too reasonable demans. <br>Veritas posted elsewhere about the nazi infatuation with ecologism, veggetarianism, and all this "natural" healing, purity of nature...all this cleanliness reminds me of Thomas Mann's definition of "life as a disease". <br>Of course, one should be free to say those things, but then one should be ready to face the consequences, as well. <br>White separatism in the USA is of cousre a joke, because this entire country was stolen from non whites, and lives off the exploitation of none whites all over the world. Under the "war on terror" I think those who propose these views should be held without trial for some years, in a remote and unpleasant place, their symbols should be thrown down the toilette, and then the UN should be invited to see nothing bad is happning.<br>What is the valid common culture of "whites" under this supposition (suppository ?) drinking beer ? <br> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>white is not same as moslem/christian of course, you didn't mean to compare, or did you ? (one can become christian/moslem, and even have a sex change operation, but cannot "convert" into white). I dont' understand why anyone even bothers to address this movement/opinion. Separatism by white, is another word for nazism, because the next thing that happens is that they dont have enough lebens-space, so that others, of "lower" skin colors, have to relocate in order to accomodate to this all too reasonable demans. <br>Veritas posted elsewhere about the nazi infatuation with ecologism, veggetarianism, and all this "natural" healing, purity of nature...all this cleanliness reminds me of Thomas Mann's definition of "life as a disease". <br>Of course, one should be free to say those things, but then one should be ready to face the consequences, as well. <br>White separatism in the USA is of cousre a joke, because this entire country was stolen from non whites, and lives off the exploitation of none whites all over the world. Under the "war on terror" I think those who propose these views should be held without trial for some years, in a remote and unpleasant place, their symbols should be thrown down the toilette, and then the UN should be invited to see nothing bad is happning.<br>What is the valid common culture of "whites" under this supposition (suppository ?) drinking beer ? <br> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->The only people seeking 'lebens-space' are the multi-cultural fascists, which operate in every western country.<br><br>Look at violently the US government reacted when Randy Weaver bought some private land in a remote mountainous area and 400 members of the FBI, military and local law enforcement converged on Ruby Ridge to assassinate him and his family. What his crime? He was a white separatist living in his own community and didn't like the government.<br><br>You say these people are repulsive, and yet you won't let them get away from you. This is very demented, and is exactly what the British and Americans have done in Iraq by forcing the Shiites and Kurds to live together in 'multi-kultural' democracy, that of course results in violence, and justifies their occupation and police state. As we know, this was also the case in Africa. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

A few points, thumperton-<br><br>1) The Amish llive lives that separate them from others in the rural areas and towns where they're found as communites, but they make no demands on the wider society to accomodate them- except for a few changes in the traffic laws to accomodate their horse-drawn buggys. They don't demand "religious cleansing", for instance, in order to guarantee Amish people a 100% "pure" territory in whcih to dwell. Neither do they demand that the government support their schools. <br><br>2) You act as if there was some difficulty in a person or local community of people being "white separatist." I don't see any particular impediments to groups forming white separatist communities, as long as the group in question isn't demanding anything more than the Amish. But I also don't hear you making your demands explicit. That's why I'm asking these questions, so I can get a better idea of what you have in mind.<br><br>3) In a practical sense, I can think of a lot of places near to where I live where such "white separatism" is an accomplished fact- the upper-middle class-to-wealthy gated housing tracts in the hills along Route 50 between Folsom and Placerville, for instance, like Cameron Park and El Dorado Hills. John Doolittle country, overwhelmingly Republican. Those are examples of places with populations ranging between 95-100% white. Personally, a place like that isn't for me. The conformity and uniformity index is much too high for me to feel welcome. But I don't notice any pressure to "force integration" on those places. Granted, if a black person, a Japanese, or a Latino has enough money, they can buy a home there. However, I think the attitudes of most minorities are similar to mine, in terms of regarding a monocultural place like that as its own punishment. The folks who live there can have it- and they do. Most of them are rich (except for, arguably, a few of the long-time homesteaders, and the senior citizens living in retirement trailer home tracts.) However, there's only so much of our water supply that they deserve, because it's a wastrel lifestyle that's unsustainable and unsupportable for any but a limited population. The developers don't get to have a high Auburn Dam so they can turn the Sierra foothills into suburbia. It's already a smogbelt and a firetrap environment, and the steams can only stand so much eroison from having ground cover cut away and hundreds of miles of pavement. <br><br>3) But even if you're a lower-income working person, no one is stopping you from confining your informal communities to others of your own ethnicity. you're being accurate in pointing out that all sorts of ethnicities do the same thing. But I have this feeling that you aren't satisfied with simply having that option available, and that instead you want it to be a uniform cultural practice of everyone who shares your ethnic heritage. Well, where I live, most of us reject Balkanization. <br><br>4) the more I think about it, the more I'm bewildered. What is your complaint, exactly? Don't beat around the bush, lay it out there. What don't you have now in terms of options that you feel that you require? <br><br>thumperton, you're from the UK, aren't you? Because you sound as if you have no idea how the Amish actually live, for instance. <br><br>You bring up the Randy Weaver case. I think that was a terrific injustice, and there are some really ominous aspects to that case. (Read Gerry Spence's book <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>From Freedom To Slavery</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, if you aren't up on the details. Spence was Weaver's attorney. ) Be that as it may, Randy Weaver was not the target of an FBI raid simply because he chose to live in the hills of Idaho with his family. The FBI agents were serving a warrant on him, after having entrapped him (in my opinion) into illegally modifying a shotgun. <br><br>Weaver was not part of any "community" at all, as far as I know. He was a homesteader, and he lived in remote countryside. If the FBI raided everyone in the USA who opted for that lifestyle, they would have to arrest millions of people. You don't sound as if you're up on even the most basic details of the case, incidentally. It wasn't Randy Weaver who was killed, it was his wife. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/30/05 2:42 pm<br></i>

[robertdreed]

"The only people seeking 'lebens-space' are the multi-cultural fascists, which operate in every western country."<br><br>Please provide a few examples of this. I don't think your reference to the Weaver case is illustrative of what you're alleging. But even if it is, it's only one case. <br><br>And please don't bring up the Branch Davidians, who were a multi-ethnic enclave. <br><br>Come on- you have no other examples? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

Let's stop making endless strawmen, such as white separatists 'making demands on the rest of society' or 'they simply want to dominate others' etc, which is ironic when you consider most 'white supremacists' are homeschoolers and want nothing from the government.<br><br>I'm using the libertarian model. They live in a private community, and they are left alone. They don't make any 'demands' on greater society, and vice-versa. Why is that so hard to understand? Why the violent reaction from people on this board who claim to be so openminded, but still fall prey to the anti-white propaganda?<br><br>As for the third point, it's illegal to 'discriminate' with the selling of private property, since it falls under the fair housing act.<br><br>Our current political paradigm seems to be 'tolerance at all costs' and even many thinking people fail to see the oxymoron of using force to create 'tolerance'. It smacks of statism.<br><br>That's where I'm coming from. I think normally most people wouldn't object to a group of people being exclusive (women's group, ethnic fraternity, nation state, etc.) except when it comes to white people and that is a knee jerk reaction.<br><br>I don't understand why people can just live and let live, but instead keep ranting about how awful and hateful a mono-culture is and how great a multi-culture is. Why even give a shit how other people live their lives? Are you jealous?<br><br>I'm not interested in debating the merits of either side. Different strokes for differen folks. I do, however, am perturbed when one group suddenly has rights over everyone else on how they should live and be 'enlightened' to their way of society.<br><br>I don't get it.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/wiggle.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"The only people seeking 'lebens-space' are the multi-cultural fascists, which operate in every western country."<br><br>Please provide a few examples of this. I don't think your reference to the Weaver case is illustrative of what you're alleging. But even if it is, it's only one case. <br><br>And please don't bring up the Branch Davidians, who were a multi-ethnic enclave. <br><br>Come on- you have no other examples?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>-'civil rights' abrogating individual rights.<br><br>-Jailing people for 'hate speech' because they criticize mass third world immigration, such as Nick Griffin.<br><br>-Making acts of 'discrimination' fall under the UN anti-genocide bill.<br><br>-State sponsored Islamicization of Western Europe, to justify the multi-cultural police state.<br><br>Isn't this stuff obvious? <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...is the white part.<br><br>The only 'whites' are albinos.<br><br>It should be called the "Light to dark beige sometimes sporting freckles and/or shading into tan in the summer" separatist movement. If they had to print that on every tract and broadside they might get tired and find another hobby.<br><br>Sheesh, comparing them to the Amish is jejune. The Amish are not separatists. They are integrated into their communities. All they ask is that they can dress as they please and live by their own principles in their own homes and businesses. Go somewhere like Lancaster PA, thumperton, and chat up some Amish, compliment the man's horse, buy a quilt from an Amish woman. You won't get snubbed, or a rant on the evils of the non-Amish.<br><br>The only people the Amish shun are Amish who have violated community standards. <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

^ this is exactly the crap I'm talking about.<br><br>as long as you libruls keep insisting that people have to regulated to fit in with the mainstream and demonizing the right to independance, we'll never get the NWO off our backs. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...in this thread, I have to say most of the time you make very little sense.<br><br>You accuse people of saying what they didn't say, or not saying what they did say, you mix up "banned" who is mostly a fairly light hearted and philosphical poster with "proldic" who is highly serious intensely well informed regardless of whether you agree with him--can't even claim the monikers are similar.<br><br>Your responses are not, as they say, responsive. I posited a reading comprehension difficulty, now I wonder if you're not just being borderline trollish in your handling of other posters' responses to your own assertions.<br><br>Where in the sam g. d. fucking hell do you get that I, who I'm assuming is the 'crap' you're pointing to, support regulating people to fit in, or demonizing independEnce (try spell check, k?) What I and others object to is HATE MONGERING.<br><br>If you don't get that, you don't want to get that, and so I ask, what is your motivation here? If you just want to fight, why not grab your marshmallows and head on over to the Firepit?<br><br>PS I am not a 'librul'--I've done nothing but bash them for 35 years, probably longer than you've been sucking oxygen. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

I used to have it happen on a literary discussion EZ board.<br><br>Never did figure out what triggered it, but it taught me to save my posts till I was sure they "took".<br><br>Definitely nothing sinister. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[mother]

I think this topic is interesting because of the Katrina disaster. I could not get out of my mind, "they" are trying to cause massive, ripple-event race riots with this thing! Thank God this didn't occur, but it seemed like genocide to me, and whatever "cide" getting rid of old people is called. The race thing I will never figure out. I was raised by civil-rights activists in an atmosphere which claimed "we are all the same" yet my husband and I could never hope to live as comfortably as our parents do. As adoptive parents we've experienced the most vile racism from African American social workers a la Black Heritage Society, so much so that we would not ask to adopt an African American child anymore, and place one more burden on some poor kid. For at least 2000 years people have been opting to live away from the world. Look at the huge, ancient monasteries in Europe, and the little cloisters, where holy people lived, worked and prayed, taking vows to separate themselves from the world. There were times when these people were considered extremely useful to the world. But I think common sense will tell you if you go somewhere because you're just mad and full of hate, and want to be around people just as pissed-off as you, well it won't be a very happy place. It's very confusing, all the factions on race. I've never seen a baby that I couldn't love with my entire heart and soul. <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>...in this thread, I have to say most of the time you make very little sense.<br><br>You accuse people of saying what they didn't say, or not saying what they did say, you mix up "banned" who is mostly a fairly light hearted and philosphical poster with "proldic" who is highly serious intensely well informed regardless of whether you agree with him--can't even claim the monikers are similar.<br><br>Your responses are not, as they say, responsive. I posited a reading comprehension difficulty, now I wonder if you're not just being borderline trollish in your handling of other posters' responses to your own assertions.<br><br>Where in the sam g. d. fucking hell do you get that I, who I'm assuming is the 'crap' you're pointing to, support regulating people to fit in, or demonizing independEnce (try spell check, k?) What I and others object to is HATE MONGERING.<br><br>If you don't get that, you don't want to get that, and so I ask, what is your motivation here? If you just want to fight, why not grab your marshmallows and head on over to the Firepit?<br><br>PS I am not a 'librul'--I've done nothing but bash them for 35 years, probably longer than you've been sucking oxygen.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> I don't address most of your post because you're obsessed with equating independence from the mainstream with 'hatred' of everyting else. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...they hate everyone who isn't just like them.<br><br>Couldn't have been from their own words and writings.<br><br>Nah.<br><br>thumpy, I think this discussion from my side is at an end. I'm not getting through to you, and what you get through to me I reject as jejune at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.<br><br>Later dude. <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

thump you didn't answer me -- why not? if a group defines itself as a group, it must know how it defines itself as a group. so that's the rub, thump. if white separatist doesn't mean people who judge that they have the same skin colour demanding separate rights to those accorded to the community as a whole, because of the skin colour they say they have, what would you say it did mean?<br><br>and if your support* for them is not a sign that you are fed up with sharing things with people whose skin colour you would judge to be different to those in this group you support, what is at the root of it?<br><br>* by support I mean continuing to argue that their lobbying for separate rights based on skin colour is not different to other groups who may either lobby for other things, or simply quietly get on with doing things together in their own way. I'm not implying something you have not stated in your posts - that you put cash in their collection boxes or go to rallies or anything like that.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

freedom of association, freedom of association... who cares how people define themselves.<br><br>how do you define a person as a 'friend'? I think you would be the best to judge that, wouldn't you say? Likewise, it is the same for an organization where the feeling is mutual. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/30/05 4:43 pm<br></i>