Richard Heinberg Openly Supports White Separatist

by **robertdreed** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:41 pm

thumperton, about your examples: "-'civil rights' abrogating individual rights." That statement is so general that I can't tell what you're talking about. Sure, I can guess, but I don't like to do that, because I might guess wrong. So if it's possible for you to be more specific, I'd like that. "-Jailing people for 'hate speech' because they criticize mass third world immigration, such as Nick Griffin." Frankly, I've never heard of the guy. I oppose criminalizing speech, as a general rule. "-Making acts of 'discrimination' fall under the UN anti-genocide bill." Please, bring up the wording in question. Link the bill, if possible. "-State sponsored Islamicization of Western Europe, to justify the multi-cultural police state." I'd like to get some links and more details. "Isn't this stuff obvious?" Nope. I'm in the USA, and most of what you've been using as examples seems to be about Europe. I'm not up on Europe. But I'm willing to hear you out, as long as your details are more accurate than your grasp of the Randy Weaver case. Rweferences are appreciated.

by **thumperton** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:50 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>...they hate everyone who isn't just like them.<hr></blockquote>and you hate the fact that they want to get away from the people they 'hate'... that makes sense. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/30/05 4:51 pm

by **jenz** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:22 pm

if I asked for separate rights for my friends thump, separate to the rights accorded everyone else, thump, don't you think people would feel they had the right to question my criteria and motives? I was trying to work out if you were a bigot or actually had some point to make, but as you keep sidestepping any reasonable questions, I'd say its a waste of time.

by **veritas** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:31 pm

Thumper likes the British National Party. They are fascists. Here's an article about Nick Griffin. He is a fascist. He hates Jews. Thumper is a prisoner of hate. Free him! Free Thumper from his hate! <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Nick Griffin: Right-wing chameleon Nick griffin, Chairman of the British National Party Nick Griffin is transforming the image of the far-right British National Party. But is this just a repackaging of old prejudices? By Bob Chaundy of the BBC's News Profiles Unit. Whenever you read or hear about the British National Party, you are sure to come across the name Nick Griffin. This is the man who, in June's general election, polled 16% of the vote in Oldham West where, at the declaration, he stood in a mock gag. Griffin at the Oldham West declaration Nick Griffin polled 6,500 votes in Oldham West It was his protest against the banning of the traditional post-election speeches following the racial disturbances in the area. This 42-year-old smooth, articulate, Cambridge-educated leader of Britain's only serious far-right political party is, on the surface, far removed from his predecessor John Tyndall, whom he succeeded as the BNP's chairman last year. Griffin is media-friendly, even though he accuses the media of being complicit in what he calls the liberal establishment conspiracy in the creation of the multicultural society he despises. His is the party that claims to be standing up for the rights of white people in Britain whose traditions and values, he feels, are under threat by immigrants. 'Different, not better' Yet, under Nick Griffin's leadership, gone are the hateful expressions of blatant racism. "The BNP does not claim that any one race is superior to any other, simply that they are different," explains its cosily-renamed party magazine, Freedom. Oldham riots Panic on the streets of Oldham "The party merely wishes to preserve these differences which make up the rich tapestry of human kind." Preserving these differences in hot-spots such as Oldham or Burnley would, he says, involve building Belfast-style peace walls. But is this merely a case of repackaging traditional right-wing prejudices? Professor Roger Griffin - no relation - of Oxford Brookes University thinks so. "Nick Griffin is trying to modernise the BNP by adopting the language of right-wing leaders such as Le Pen in France and Haider in Austria. But under the cloak of loving difference, there is essentially a Nazi-style hatred of racial inferiors." Nick Griffin's involvement in far-right politics is said to have begun when his father, a right-wing Tory councillor, took him to a National Front meeting at the age of 15. 'Social pariah' He was brought up in rural Suffolk, far from the front-line of multicultural Britain. A bright student, he gained a place at Cambridge where his work as a National Front activist made him a social pariah. He left with a law degree and a boxing blue. Defend rights for whites with well-directed boots and fists Nick Griffin, 1995 In the 1970s, Nick Griffin became what the National Front referred to as a political soldier, working hard to establish members in residents' and tenants' associations. The party saw the future as needing to build up its base from the grass-roots in a new kind of politics, influenced by fascists from Italy, and by Colonel Gaddaffi's ideas on people's committees. Griffin even travelled to Libya to try to secure funds for the party but failed both in that quest and to excite any public interest. After leaving the National Front in 1989, he formed the International Third Position (ITP), which aimed to transcend what it saw as the twin evils of capitalism and communism. Griffin's Mind Benders pamphlet The "Jewish conspiracy" booklet But he left shortly afterwards to join the BNP. He soon announced himself as a Holocaust denier and, in a 1997 booklet entitled Who are the Mind Benders?, Griffin outlined a Jewish conspiracy to brainwash the British people in their own "homeland". In 1998, Griffin was found guilty of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred, for which he received a two-year suspended sentence. Courting middle England But, realising that this style of politics was not attracting much support, Nick Griffin began his so-called modernising process that began to manifest itself in the adoption of the language of mainstream politics. If you're interested in confrontation and violence, don't bother us Nick Griffin, 2001 The party began campaigning on the same kinds of issues. His populist pamphlets began to criticise the government's soft stand on paedophiles, and hit out at the National Farmers Union, and he initiated a Save Our Sterling campaign. He claims that the bitter election rows over asylum seekers has legitimised his party's stand on racial separation. But Griffin's latest reincarnation has bemused even his former allies. Nick Griffin Nick Griffin: Smooth-talking and media-friendly The ITP stated in an e-mail newsletter, "He has been a conservative, a revolutionary nationalist, a radical national Socialist, a Third Positionist, a friend of the 'boot boys' and the skinhead scene, a man committed to respectable politics and electioneering, a 'moderniser'. Which is he in reality?" Nick Griffin lives with his wife and four children on a smallholding near Welshpool in mid-Wales where he raises pigs and chickens. He has made much political capital from the racial tension in some of Britain's poorest areas, saying they justify his party's separatist policies. Griffin claims that his tiny party's core values are shared "by a large majority of our fellow Britons". Whether the multicultural society he loathes is too embedded and popular to be dispensed with remains to be seen. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1412785.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1412785.stm</a><hr></blockquote>

by **robertdreed** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:34 pm

Everybody ought to have a Third Position...but not somebody else's.

by **wintler** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:54 pm

So Proldic, given that 2 pages ago I challenged your assertion that Heinberg 'openly supports' white separatists merely because he mentions one, and you have made no attempt at a justification for your smear, I take it that you realise your error? But don't be frozen in your guilt, make reparations! Change the title of the thread and apologise for your smear of Richard Heinberg and all will be well. Incidentally i've never met RH, am just sick of the constant eco-fascist smears on this board against anyone who suggests ecological reform is critical and might begin at home. Gathering and sifting info on scary things that might/are happening is not without value, but if you're in the meanwhile living lives that directly fund and support genocide & ecocide, then you're all fools of the very first order.

by **thumperton** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:26 pm

who said anything about separate rights? and who cares if I'm a bigot? I believe I have the right to hate you, your race, your pet, and the car you drive. You also have the right to hate my haircut, the fact that I smoke pot, or that I play video games to much. I should be able to hire/fire you without reason or for my own discriminatory reasons. My whole point is liberty versus statism. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/30/05 7:28 pm

by **banned** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:05 pm

Right, thumper, and then I have the right, after you fire me for my race or ethnicity or sexual preference or just because you didn't get laid over the weekend and I did, to track you down and bust both your kneecaps so you spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, because after all, laws are just a lot of crapola by the state, right? I mean, who ya gonna call? The cops? They're part of the statist apparat. The courts? Ditto. Sure, you can come after ME then, but I bet I hear your wheels squeak, and if I live on the second floor of a building with no elevator, you're screwed. If I catch you, maybe I'll add two shattered hands to the tally and you won't even be able to type on a message board anymore. Knock all the laws flat if you want, son, but then you better watch out for people like me for whom they provide the only disincentive to keep from fucking up bigots like yourself or people who reward my years of toil with a pink slip to gratify their own infantile egos.

by **thumperton** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:18 pm

no, busting my kneecaps wouldn't be the libertarian thing to do. we're all about persuasion, and not force, and mutual interactions. <img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/happysad.gif" style="border:0;"/>

by **banned** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:24 pm

...which possibly was why in our hypothetical you fired me. Or are you assuming you will live in a "libertarian separatist state" where all of you will agree that the proper response to being shitcanned for no reason is to try to persuade the boss to take you back? Anyway, I can do persuasion, although it might bear more resemblance to Jack Woltz waking up with a horse head in his bed--making offers that can't be refused--than what you meant by persuasion. Also, my shoving your wheelchair out into oncoming traffic would be a mutual interaction, no? I would shove, and you would scream Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

by **thumperton** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:28 pm

since we probably wouldn't like eachother in real life, we wouldn't have a working relationship in the first place, so that takes care of that. And not dealing with people we don't like will probably take care of 90 percent of our social ills.

by **banned** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:43 pm

....was precisely that people who decide who they will and won't like based on skin color/ethnicity are by and large, oh, how shall I put it, knucklewalkers. Unless you're not socially retarded to the point where you shouldn't be allowed out without your mental health aide, the way you find out, from toddlerhood on, who you do and don't have an affinity with is to expose yourself (not literally) to a wide variety of people and see who is most simpatico. Deciding in advance that whole groups of people, based on characteristics over which they had no control, aren't people you like is ridiculous. Of course, I can't stop anyone from being ridiculous, however, I hereby propose a Ridiculous People Separatist Movement to get them out of my hair. By the way, I don't know if you've ever been a manager, but I had plenty of employees I didn't "like" but I respected their talents and they did a terrific job for me. I had several employees, including one who had been my friend for some time, who were crappy workers and the longtime friend had to be fired (by my boss, thankfully, though I gave him a head's up to dust off the old resume.) The society you want to live in sounds a bit fucktardish, but if it floats your boat, go for it. Just don't be surprised when the multiculti nation next door kicks your ass culturally, economically, and every other way, because it isn't just a bunch of people who want everybody to be a clone of them but a place where all sorts of cool synergistic and ultimately successful enterprises can take place.

by **thumperton** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:55 pm

your point is that personally you don't find white separatism appealing, and so you have no inclination to associate with it. The feeling is probably mutual <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> was that so hard?

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:12 am

why is there still so much hostility from the people who think white nationalism/separatism is 'fucktardish', 'backward', or 'Nazi-like' when said group actually decides to get away from it all and live on their own? it seems to me the thing they hate more is not the 'hateful' ideology, but the fact that they want to live independently and have no use for government social engineering. Otherwise, they would be happy, and even encourage hateful evil biggot white supremacists to go their own way. But like Iraq, without ethnic/cultural tensions, what justifies the multi-kulti police state? Without contrived class warfare, Marxist liberal ideologies and big government would be for the most part dead. And THAT'S the reason you don't support self-determination, you left wing gate keepers <img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0;"/>

by **banned** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:15 am

...it's ezackly what I said in my first post in this thread. I am desolee that I would not be popular amongst the white separatists. I am so pale beige I'm nearly white, and you would be quite surprised what a bigot I am. I can't stand the French, Germans or Brits, by and large, and once screamed at a lousy woman driver who appeared to be Indian to go back to Bangalore. SO you see...you actually MIGHT like me after all! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

Richard Heinberg Openly Supports White Separatist

Re: race

Re: Gosh, I wonder where I got the idea...

friends

Griffin

independent politics

is that a 'fold', Proldic?

Re: friends

I can't resist this one...

Re: I can't resist this one...

Yes, but I don't share your views...

Re: Yes, but I don't share your views...

Yes but my point back up top...

Re: Yes but my point back up top...

Re: back to MY point...

Hard? No. In fact...

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