Richard Heinberg Openly Supports White Separatist

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:22 pm

I think that thumperton is important, too. The difference between what one human being can be when they settle for being a touchy and insecure pawn of hatred vs. what they can be if they get in touch with the truth of their higher potential can be enormous, and realizing the second accomplishment can significantly benefit the rest of us. But yes, the discussion has gone off-topic. And I'm interested in the thread you're developing. What do you know about Walther Darre? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/31/05 1:27 pm

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:30 pm

Jeff says i'll be banned if I start my own thread on this <img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/ohnoes.gif" style="border:0;"/><img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/ohnoes.gif" style="border:0;"/>

by **veritas** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Jeff says i'll be banned if I start my own thread on this<hr></blockquote> This thread is about Heinberg. Do you have any input on Heinberg? Do you know who he is? No? Then elsewhere is the place for you. Please unhijack this thread.

by **israelirealities** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:58 pm

The effects of the true proponents of mass illegal immigration are recognized by the fact that they usually manage to block legislation that criminalizes the act of employing the illegals, but push for very harsh penalties against the illegal worker herself. Last word for me in this thread, because I see this is a sidetrack from this white separatist guy, who happens to be a nazi as veritas shows. I don't know who this guy is, so i'll step out silently into my hell hole. Is he someone important ? gosh so many nazis these days, of all nationalities and faiths.

by **veritas** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:25 pm

From original link I posted: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> In many varieties of the National Socialist world view ecological themes were linked with traditional agrarian romanticism and hostility to urban civilization, all revolving around the idea of rootedness in nature. This conceptual constellation, especially the search for a lost connection to nature, was most pronounced among the neo-pagan elements in the Nazi leadership, above all Heinrich Himmler, Alfred Rosenberg, and Walther Darré. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.spunk.org/library/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html">www.spunk.org/library/pla...peter.html</a> Article too long to post.

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:59 pm

Those are often the kind that I prefer.

by **israelirealities** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:08 pm

Thanks for all the info, veritas, it is important to study those issues, and be reminded of the roots of Nazism, in Occult and myth from Tibet and elsewhere. I also browsed and googled some of the H's publications and references and amazon's book reviews. Also, i never before heard of virginia abrenathy and her scandalous immigration statements and this is important stuff. From my miniscule spot on earth, and my foreign perspective I am worried that these weeds are bringing too many Jews and ISraelis to hastily adopt the other end, namely the Bush side, which meets Nazism from its other end. (all the roads leading to the reich ?). INdeed we are force fed here in Israel that the radical left, all left/bush critique, either in or outside the USA is equivalent to Antisemitism...You can see how such an analysis as yours, falling on already hypervigilant traumatized background creates fear and frantic responses. I would like to know more about these people who actually come from an "ecofascist" sentiment, or longing. But from my perspective they are not an immediate power to reckon with, in the USA. As for RUssia, really, it is hard to comment on a culture I don't have first hand knowledge of. From what I read, the place is falling apart with gangs, mafia, corruption...there is a burst of religious sentiment that was suppressed by the Soviets, they have numerous weirdos with cults, "energy healers" and mega astrologers forming their own "towns"...and possibly a host of fanatic and desparate politicians (some obviously nuts, (as this self proclaimed "left hand path" dugin guy) offering "solutions". This is a dangerous situation, as history shows, but antisemitism should not be high on the agenda, cause most of the JEws left I believe, and those who wish to leave now are welcome here and in germany, in Canada and the USA; not that having to leave is so great, but they have other minorities and little nations there in much worse conditions. Plus, Russians tend to dramatize with colors and "gothic" tragic descriptions...its a cultural birth mark, and so I would take all their grandiose writings with a grain of vodka. Having said that, I would like to know more about ecofascism and to what extent it exists, and what extent the improved idea of "environmental justice" managed to take root, instead as a more reasonable idea, placing the needs of humans first on the agenda and showing how ecology is related to racism and class.

by **veritas** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:29 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But from my perspective they are not an immediate power to reckon with, in the USA.<hr></blockquote> Sometimes it pays to look beneath the surface. Common practice here. In case of Bush...don't have to poke too deeply to find Nazis. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Having said that, I would like to know more about ecofascism and to what extent it exists, and what extent the improved idea of "environmental justice" managed to take root, instead as a more reasonable idea, placing the needs of humans first on the agenda and showing how ecology is related to racism and class.<hr></blockquote> The articles I linked to are good, but mainly about Germany. But Heinberg seems like the latter when he is the former. THAT is why he is important. He longs for an Indo-European Golden Age. Maybe Dugin will be his Messiah.

by **banned** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:40 am

Indo-European Golden Age? Christ on a cracker. Some people really have too much time on their hands. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

by **AnnaLivia** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:29 am

ok, i DO see the way fascists and nazis (through identifiably twisted and error-riddled thinking) (yay! i spotted the errors!) ... used and use genuine ecological truths and concerns, to further their sick underlying agendas. but i don't see in heinberg's writings, where he is going down that track. veritas or proldic, i made a tremendous effort to read and understand (and good GOD if those articles aren't full of "the big words that make us so unhappy" - James Joyce quote)! but to connect heinberg to the plan, you're going to have to give me the picture, and not just the jigsaw pieces. i admit i got to this late in the day. i've done a marathon 17 hours researching other issues today, and i'm dropping into bed right after i post this. back tomorrow, 'cause, curse you, now the prom committee just HAS to suss the truth on this one, 'cause we know a really good person who would never like a nazi or fascist, but who likes heinberg. we don't want our friends to be getting fooled!

by **israelirealities** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:44 am

Oh, sure. Thanks for bearing with me. I know so little about the USA, except the crust. That's why I said this is a totally ISraeli perspective. It seems here, that our government is playing on fears to justify its own fascist agenda. So, I am not saying the danger is not out there, but to what extent these people are the immediate concern, or they are magnified, because any mention of the real NAzi agenda (with all their occult lore) scares us, and with a good reason. This fear should not blind though, and personally, I don't know why Israeli Mossad is not busy harrassing these pepole, but rather they are busy harrassing me abroad, or Arabs, or other Jewish/ISraeli left wing activists ? so here, some of us think that we should after all concentrate on the Estabishment, those in power. If it were up to me, these authentic Neo Nazis would have to go underground for fear of their lives. The strange thing here, is that Israel goes to bed with professed Nazis if they happen to be right wing NAzis (and not the H kind, namely, disguised as lefties), and from reading Thumperton I now get a clear understanding of it. People like Thumpertom hate Arabs, and so they are sort of "enemy's enemy", and their racism can be conveniently focused on the Moslems in Europe. I think this is our main problem in Israel right now. It is also why Bush is considered a "friend", despite his obvious religious beliefs. He hates Arabs even more than Jews (or so they hope, the generals in ISrael). Another insight I had from this thread, is that the H people kind, namely those well spoken, "as if" englightened, clean and eco, NAzis, are scarier, and therefore perhaps there is a psychological barrier to deal with them. Just a thought. Anyway, since there are War Drums in my part of the world, re Iran, SYria, I am naturally looking at that direction now and anyone who sides against Israeli-US warmongering there, is OK for the time being, we don't check too deep if their teeth are rotten, as the saying goes. I did stumble upon this allignment of Germanic so called enlightened reading Eckhard Tolle types, who make up some of the antiwar movement (which also brings to mind Germany's opposition to the war in Iraq which worked as Boomerang, cause some people just don't trust their policies posed as "human rights") and I think they are not to be dismissed, because good and naive people can be drawn into this trap easily. The world is full of it. I have to focus on what's at hand, and certainly there are no H people, or readers of his stuff, HERE. nobody heard of him. We have the BushCO and the Evangelical weirdos, and the Kabbala R/A mafia and the Mossad sex rings, all connected to the Right Wing (and ITS nazis). Just rearing the morning newspaper, seeing that Pollard is due to be released in 2015 ? can anyone explain how this happened without court proceedings ? also reading that ZUndel was charged last week for racist propaganda in germany. Some good news, sort of.

by **wintler** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:05 am

I too am interested in the whole puzzle rather than assorted pieces. Requests on pgs 1 & 3 for Proldic to back his allegation have gone unanswered, and if Veritas has anything s/he can put in plain english I'd be grateful. Surprised many still read/respond to thumperton, but each to their own.

by **israelirealities** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:22 am

same here. More explanations will be appreciated. namely, does he describe these opinions or also consigns to them ?

by **veritas** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:27 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>but i don't see in heinberg's writings, where he is going down that track.<hr></blockquote> Hmmm..... It is clear. Clear. Heinberg has a page for his book. On his page are endorsements. At the top. Yes!! <a href="http://www.museletter.com/partys-over.html">www.museletter.com/partys-over.html</a> David Pimental. Wife Marsha on board of Carrying Capacity Network. Virginia Abernathy. Racist. Occidental Quarterly. She is WELL known. No mistake there. <a href="http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/">theoccidentalquarterly.com/</a> No mistake. Heinberg writes in "New Dawn" about lovely myths. Indo-European Golden Age. Yes! I posted this. It is Nazi mythology. Well known. Shambala, yes. Hitler sent men to find it. They did not. Maybe Heinberg did? Maybe you don't know these myths? Read this one. Not Richard, but from New Dawn. Myths of "Hyperborea", lost original civilization. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Hyperborea Revived The legend of Hyperborea revived during the 18th and 19th centuries when a flurry of books were published dealing with the idea that civilisation had first appeared not in the Middle East, but somewhere else. The popular theory of the day postulated that the so-called ‘Aryans’ (Europeans) were superior and more intelligent than Semites (Middle East peoples). Therefore, logically, civilisation could not have originated in the Middle East and Hebrew was probably not the first language. The Frenchmen of the Enlightenment were in no doubt that “Eden” was situated on higher ground. The Germans similarly, who were looking for their Aufklarung, also sought to be free of a history tied to the Mediterranean and Middle East regions. British and German scholars studied ancient Indian (Vedic) civilisation and leant the Sanskrit language. Many believed Sanskrit the original language of the ‘Aryans’. With new sources of knowledge from ancient Egypt, Chaldea, China and India, researchers were treading on dangerous ground as far as questioning Man’s origins. Biblical history was still strictly upheld and moving too far from this historical boundary could have you silenced. Writers such as Jean-Sylvain Bailly (1736-1793), the Rev. Dr. William Warren (1800s), Bal Gangadhar Tilak (1856-1929) and H.S. Spencer (1900s), developed out theories, often borrowing from earlier sources, attempting to prove man’s origins in the Polar region. Tilak’s book Arctic Home (published 1903) begins by stating the well known fact that warm weather remains in the Arctic regions, which shows the climate was far different during the interglacial period. According to Tilak, scientists do concede the existence, in the past, of a warm circumpolar continent, and the circumstances there would not have been nearly unfavourable as imagined. Tilak was convinced the ancient Indian Vedic texts point unmistakably to a “realm of the gods” where the sun rises and sets once a year, showing that their writers could understand the astronomical conditions at the North Pole. Tilak, who had a perfect mastery of Vedic language, placed the original Arctic home existing around circa 10,000 BC, just prior to its destruction and the beginning of the last Ice Age. His book had little impact in the West but was popular in India. When the learned Zoroastrian H.S. Spencer wrote his book The Aryan Ecliptic Cycle (1965), a development of Tilak’s work, he was able to obtain endorsements from Sir S. Radhakrishna, then President of India. As well as from dignitaries of the Theosophical Society in Adyar and the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in Pondichary. Spencer’s approach commenced not with the Vedic but the Zoroastrian scriptures, going further than Tilak in tracing the progress of the ‘Aryans’ from the North to their new homes, and the schisms that beset them on the way. Spencer’s ‘Aryans’ made their presence felt after they travelled far and wide. They moulded the religions and cultures of Egypt, Sumeria, Babylon, and of the Semites, hitherto worshippers of feminine lunar deities. However, the search for a terrestrial ‘Hyperborea’ by many researchers and the movement of an original ‘race’ has been extremely difficult and presumptuous. Proving human habitation possible at the North Pole somewhere between 8000 and 10,000 BC is no mean feat, particularly if you were living in the 18th century. The numerous theories posited offering contradictory or tendentious ‘evidence’ has served only to discredit the whole notion of Hyperborea. The same could be said of theories attempting to prove the existence of the ‘lost continent of Atlantis’. The drive to prove the actuality of a terrestrial Hyperborea has overshadowed its occult and symbolic importance. <a href="http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/hyperborea.html">www.newdawnmagazine.com/A...borea.html</a> <hr></blockquote> Hyperborea. Hyperborea. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hyperboreans consistently play a large role in Nazi, neo-nazi, and proto-nazi mysticism. Miguel Serrano was a Chilean diplomat and major proponent of Esoteric Hitlerism. He believed that Hitler fled to Shambhala, an underground centre in Antarctica after World War II (formerly at the North Pole and Tibet), where he was in contact with the Hyperborean gods and from whence he would someday emerge with a fleet of UFOs to lead the forces of light (the Hyperboreans, sometimes associated with Vril) over the forces of darkness (inevitably including, for Serrano, the Jews) in a last battle and inaugurating a Fourth Reich. He also connected the Aryans and their Hyperborean gods to the Sun and the Allies and the Jews to the Moon. Julius Evola believed Hyperboreans were Nordic supermen, originating in the north pole. He felt they had a crucial hand in the founding of Atlantis. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperborea">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperborea</a><hr></blockquote> Richard believes in this mythical land to the north. Yes. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In Dawn Behind the Dawn: A Search for the Earthly Paradise (Holt, 1992), cultural historian Geoffrey Ashe theorises that the idea of a lost paradise began with a goddess-worshipping cult in the region of the Altai-Baikal region of northern Asia some 25,000 years ago. The book is erudite and impressively researched, touching on subjects ranging from Near Eastern mythology to Indo-European philology to modern feminism. Ashe summarises his reconstruction as follows: “Tens of thousands of years ago, shamans in Siberia and Mongolia held the seven-star constellation [Ursa Major] in reverence. It was all the more important because the pole, which it ruled, was not marked then by a separate polestar of conspicuous brightness. ...The chief deity was a powerful Earth Mother and Mistress of Animals, with whom female shamans were closely associated. Her cult and symbolism, passing from tribe to tribe, played a part in forming the Paleolithic Goddess substratum across Siberia and Europe. Her chief animal form was a bear.... “The constellation built up a unique numinosity, partly because of its relation to the pole and hence to shamans’ ideas of comic centrality, expressed in the image of a central tree or world-mountain, which they climbed in their trances to meet superior spirits. In the Altai region, actual gold that gave the range a name, and an actual mountain cult, helped to evoke the divine world-mountain as golden.... “Late in the fourth millennium B.C., around the Altai, Indo-European groupings such as the Afanasievo came under shamanic influence and acquired a mythical ‘package’ comprising some of the ancient themes, which in the hands of these new people took on a rekindled life and energy. The package included the golden world-mountain... this eventually evolved into golden Meru, central to the universe, a paradisal abode of gods. It also included the seven stars... and something of the connected [mystique surrounding the number seven]. The mythical package was carried south and southwest in Indo-European expansion.” Ashe cites the Tibetan Shambhala legend as referring to the original Altaic homeland. Victoria Le Page’s Shambhala: The Fascinating Truth Behind the Myth of Shangri-La (Quest, 1996) is an esotericist’s view of the same materials. Le Page has read Ashe carefully — as well as earlier scholars on the subject, such as René Guénon and Nicholas Roerich. Guénon interprets the paradise mountain — Mount Meru in Buddhist lore — as not a mountain at all, but “a metaphor for a conduit of terrestrial energy constituting the earth’s primary power source whose nature, location, and function is presently unknown to us. [Guénon] suggests that the knowledge of this fact belongs to a most arcane and little-known branch of the tantric science that is concerned with cosmic Shakti and the building of worlds, and which for that reason has been jealously guarded from the public view for many thousands of years.” Le Page follows occultist Nicholas Roerich in his quest to find the true geographical Shambhala — in the Altai mountains. But she has more than a historical interest in decoding the myth. For her, Shambhala — the realm of jewel lakes, wish-fulfilling trees, and speaking stones — is central to the “new world model,” the ideology of the New Age. “Shambhala has had many locations, many names, many forms; over the ages it has been known as a taboo region of Paleolithic magic, a vast Megalithic sanctuary, a sacred kingdom, and underground Wisdom center, a modern complex of ashrams and training-schools.... Its credibility has probably never been so severely tested as in this age of high technology, dense population and intensive exploration; and yet in another sense we have never been more open to transcendental ideas, to the possibility of dimensions unseen, of higher-order beings and energies and presences celestial, of guidance from above.” Olga Kharitidi, M.D., provides still more insight into the Shambhala myth in her recent book, Entering the Circle: Ancient Secrets of Siberian Wisdom Discovered by a Russian Psychiatrist (Harper Collins, 1996). This riveting autobiographical narrative is the latest entry in the New Age/shamanic adventure genre pioneered in the books of Carlos Castaneda and Lynn Andrews (and more recently in the Celestine Prophecy and Mutant Message from Down Under). Fortunately, Entering the Circle is not just an attempt to cash in on a publishing trend; in fact, it may be the best-written book of its kind so far. The author, formerly a psychiatrist in a Siberian mental hospital, is invited by a former patient to meet his new teacher, a female shaman who lives in a remote village in the Altai mountains. The curious but skeptical psychiatrist soon finds herself launched into a chain of events that will forever change her views of healing, science, and consciousness. Like Castaneda, Kharitidi is taken into apprenticeship by a magician with baffling powers, illogical habits, and a bizarre sense of humour. But Uma — the author’s spiritual teacher — offers more than the standard lessons in transcending time, space, and rationality; she also unlocks a gateway to what could be the fountainhead of the world’s spiritual truths. Nearly every culture maintains some vestige of shamanic rituals, practices that date back to Paleolithic times. In his classic study of shamanism, historian of religion Mircea Eliade traced the phenomenon to the natives of Siberia. And as we have just seen, Geoffrey Ashe and Victoria Le Page, in their books, have suggested that the universal ancient myth of a lost paradisal kingdom — the birthplace of civilisation and religion — may refer to a site somewhere in the Altaic mountains bordering Siberia and Mongolia. Thus when Kharitidi’s Altaic spiritual guide begins to tell her about Belovodia (the local name for Shambhala), one gets the sense that a tremendous secret may be on the verge of disclosure. Back in the city of Novosibirsk, Kharitidi meets a nuclear physicist whose research into the fringes of human consciousness dovetails with her own exploding interest in the mysteries of the soul. Working together, they retrieve more knowledge about the fabled Belovodia. “There have always been people within each [spiritual tradition] who were directly in touch with Belovodia,” writes the physicist during an exploratory trance session. “From time to time, knowledge from there has been opened up to your own civilisation. This has happened at moments of real threat to humanity. It is becoming open to you again now, because the power and energy you have accumulated are capable of causing many different kinds of catastrophes. Belovodia is becoming accessible to your consciousness to protect you by showing you other ways to live.” Kharitidi’s story — convincingly told — seems destined to become a classic and deserves at least as wide a readership as the spectacularly successful (but fictional and clumsily written) The Celestine Prophecy.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/Articles/Back%20to%20Paradise.html">www.newdawnmagazine.com.a...adise.html</a> Heinberg-----Golden Age-------Siberia-----Hyperborea. Why important? This mythology belongs to the Thule Society. yes. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>A primary focus of Thule-Gesellschaft was a claim concerning the origins of the Aryan race. "Thule" was a land located by Greco-Roman geographers in the furthest north. The society was named after "Ultima Thule" — (Latin: most distant Thule) mentioned by the Roman poet Vergil in his epic poem Aeneid, was the far northern segment of Thule and is generally understood to mean Scandinavia. Said by Nazi mystics to be the capital of ancient Hyperborea, they placed Ultima Thule in the extreme north near Greenland or Iceland. The Thulists believed in the hollow earth theory. Thule had among its goals the desire to prove that the Aryan race came from a lost continent, perhaps Atlantis. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society</a> <hr></blockquote> Heinberg---mythical Golden Age from the North. Indo-Europeans. Aryans. from the north. from the north. Another name is Hyperborea. It is clear. Clear! Richard writes for New Dawn. Richard talks of Eurasianism. New Dawn talks of Eurasianism. Richard talks of Alexander Dugin. Dugin writes for New Dawn. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"New Dawn magazine is one of the best sources of realistic information on the state of things in our world as it nears its inevitable and predicted end. For some people it could seem to be a little bit strange and weird, phantasmagoric... But the reality in which we live is itself something strange and weird... New Dawn magazine helps us to persist. And gives us hope for the better world that is coming..." – ALEXANDRE DUGIN, leader of International Eurasian Movement <a href="http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/whatisnewdawn.html">www.newdawnmagazine.com.a...wdawn.html</a><hr></blockquote> But I have posted this. Who is Dugin? Richard says this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Meanwhile, in Russia political theorist Alexander Dugin was gaining increasing influence with anti-American geostrategic writings. In 1997, the same year Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard appeared, Dugin published his own manifesto, The Basics of Geopolitics, advocating a reconstituted Russian Empire composed of a continental bloc of states allied to cleanse the Eurasian land-mass of US influence. At the center of this bloc Dugin posited a "Eurasian axis" of Russia, Germany, Iran, and Japan. While Dugin's ideas were banned during Soviet times for their echoes of Nazi pan-Eurasian fantasies, they gradually gained influence among post-Soviet Russian officials. For example, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs recently decried the "strengthening tendency towards the formation of a unipolar world under financial and military domination by the United States" and called for a "multipolar world order," while emphasizing Russia's "geopolitical position as the largest Eurasian state." Russia's Communist party has adopted Dugin's ideas in its platform; Gennady Zyuganov, Communist Party chairman, even published his own primer on geopolitics, titled Geography of Victory. Though Dugin remains a marginal figure internationally, his ideas cannot help but resonate in a country and continent increasingly hemmed in and manipulated by a powerful and arrogant hegemonic nation on the other side of the globe. <a href="http://www.museletter.com/archive/132.html">www.museletter.com/archive/132.html</a> <hr></blockquote> Eurasianism. Dugin. Richard. Dugin preaches Hyperborea. (From New Dawn. Richard likes New Dawn. Richard likes Dugin.) <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Madame Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophical Society, claimed the ‘second root race’ originated in Hyperborea, before the later races of Lemuria and Atlantis. The Russian metaphysician Alexandre Dugin says that it was the home of the “solar people”, connected to what is now northern Russia. “Solar people,” Alexandre Dugin explains, are a “cultural-spiritual type” who are creative, energetic and spiritual. They are the opposite of “lunar people”, a psycho-spiritual type who are materialistic, conservative and wary of change. <a href="http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/New_Eurasia_A_New_Vision_for_the_Third_Millennium.html">www.newdawnmagazine.com/a...nnium.html</a><hr></blockquote> Did you read above. Miguel Serrano talks of Shambala too. Like Richard. Who are moon people? Who are sun people? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>He (Serrano, from quote on Hyperborea) also connected the Aryans and their Hyperborean gods to the Sun and the Allies and the Jews to the Moon.<hr></blockquote> Thule is the capital of Hyperborea. The mythical land of the North. Dugin says: The ancient Greeks spoke about Hyperborea, the northern island with capital Thule. This land was considered as the motherland of the bright god Apollon. And in many other traditions it is possible to detect most ancient tracks, often forgotten and become fragmentary, of a nordic symbolism. The basic idea traditionally linked to the North is the idea of Centre, Immobile Pole, point of Eternity around which the cycle turns not only of space, but also of time. North is the land where the sun never goes even at night, a space of eternal light. Any sacred tradition honors the Centre, the Middle, the point where contrasts appease, the symbolical place not subject to the laws of cosmic entropy. This Centre, whose symbol is the Swastika (stressing both immobility and constancy of the Centre, and mobility and changeability of the periphery), received a different name according to each tradition, but it was always directly or indirectly linked to the symbolism of North. Therefore it is possible to say that all sacred traditions are in essence the projection of a Single Northern Primordial Tradition adapted to every different historical condition. North is Cardinal Point chosen by the primeval Logos in order to reveal itself in History, and each of its further manifestations only restored that primeval polar-paradise symbolism. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/sacgeo.html">www.geocities.com/integra...acgeo.html</a> Can you not see? Richard preaches the end of the West. Richard praises Eurasianism. Richard praises Dugin. Richard speaks of mythical land of the Golden Age in the North. Shambala. Hyperborea. Thule. Why is this hard? Why is this not clear? Eurasianism is rightwing nationalist movement based on myth of an Aryan Golden Age. Thule. Hyperborea. Shambala. Richard writes for New Dawn Magazine. Many articles for them. He links to them. He is not ASHAMED. It is not an ACCIDENT. Richard writes of the decline of the West because he desires it. It is time for the Eurasian ascension. Apocalypse is his Messiah.

by **AnnaLivia** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:29 pm

Veritas, few words, then have to go help my mom until later today…when I’ll be back to read ALL your last post and tackle this head-on again. EYE NOSE EYE am frustrating you. Hope you can imagine how frustrating this all is for me. please know how much I appreciate yr patience! don’t despair. I’m not a bad investment of yr time on this. I just might provide good returns… Know many people who need to know if true… searching absolutely honestly…have a big mouth… Like IR said…describing? Or condoning? Heinberg not to say a big loud caveat makes very suspicious…but conclusion yet to come… My kids gave me a delightful piece of artwork last year, that’ll help you understand where I come from. It says this: “I asked her why she never told us about the Ten Commandments and she said she wasn’t ever that good with numbers so she loved everything as best she could and I remember thinking who needs all those rules anyway with a mother like her around.” (from artist Brian Andreas at www.storypeople.com ,if anyone is interested) You’re talking to a gal who is stuck exactly halfway between mourning her lack of formal education, and knowing it’s often her SAVING GRACE. World history? Not up to snuff. Religious history? I could hardly be more ignorant. (love a rascal called god. My book says God = life) Mysticism? Like banned, geez, electricity is “mystical” to me! har har! Could I read finnegans wake better or worse with a great education?? How many like me…so many…not stupid, just ignorant? Bet you have a PHD. Jealous, but then not. repeat. A most most difficult task…like being thrown into the middle of the pool and learning to swim that way. So curious, so determined to suss this out. I know how key it is to unlearn what isn’t true. Am always struggling not to get mired in details at expense of big picture…this looks like details on surface, but I suspect it’s not…oh, more later…thanks to stay with simple me… ps; Is wintler aghast that I’m moving into his/her neighborhood soon? Chuckle chuckle! Have a great day, everyone…unless you have other plans… Love from Anna-the-curly-grrl (wintler, you know Mr. Curly and Vasco Pyjama and the duck whose bill always points to new joys?) life is beautiful!

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