Richard Heinberg Openly Supports White Separatist

[proldic]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So we're entering a period of potential political turmoil where we may see governments shifting from one extreme to the other with nobody really having the ability to address the issues and with both sides being motivated to hide what the real issues are...what we really need is actually a whole new form of politics. An ecological politics, a politics of reality. Now who's talking about this? Very few that I have seen. I think the marxist and most of the anarchists are pretty much avoiding the issue. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>There are a few people who are mostly scientists, people like Virginia Abernathy who wrote the book "Population Politics"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and David Pimentel a professor up in Ithaca, New York, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>people like that are aware of the issues</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> but these are scientists, they're not political leaders. It's going to take a different kind of political leader to raise these kinds of issues and it's difficult because people don't want to hear the bad news. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Political leaders who begin to raise these issues are not likely to get re-elected or likely to gather people around them.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> When I talk about this stuff to audiences, people immediately say, 'can't you give us some hope' well <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I think hope is actually part of the problem.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->... <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/220">www.globalpublicmedia.com...cripts/220</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

....but most of those people are such assholes, I'm all for their being "separatists." I wouldn't dream of inflicting them on a nice person of color, or even on myself.<br><br>Can't we find a state no one's all that fond of and let them have their own country? We could call it "Bigotastan" and mine the perimeter to keep them in. They could marinate in their own hate. Of course deprived of a chance to be obnoxious to the targets of that hate, they would probably start to fission into sects and the mainstreamers would persecute the schismatics.<br><br>But the rest of us wouldn't have to look at their shaved heads and swastika armbands, or wonder why it is that people who make 99.9% of white people embarassed to be white consider themselves a superior group. <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

How terrible that they have a view outside of the white bread mainstream.<br><br>Maybe they should be killed in case their point of view catches on?<br><br>You guys sound exactly like Kofi Annan.<br><br>"We wouldn't want nations to become independant (oh the horror)" <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

People who hate other people and want to harm them based on nothing more than their race, ethnicity, religion, or taste in peanut butter (smooth? crunchy?) aren't 'just' out of the 'mainstream.'<br><br>If they wanted to confine their dogma to talking about themselves, hey, more power (white power of course) to them. We all know some stupid ugly jackass who thinks he's a Don Juan, he's harmless. <br><br>The problem arises when they want to deprive those other ["mud"] people of their rights based on their own bigotry.<br><br>I'm not so sure what it is about the right that they just do not get the bit about their, uh, right to swing their fist stopping at my nose.<br><br>As far as finding a nice place for them to congregate, and making sure they stay there, this is nothing more than giving them what they claim to want. The darkies can't get in. And the rest of us get what we want, which is not to deal with Nazis. Win win, no? Seriously, THEY are the ones who want to keep themselves separate and pure, no? Of course, their idea is to ship blacks back to Africa leaving America the White, but there's no more reason a black person should go than that Mr. Whitey should go back wherever the hell his parents came from.<br><br>I'm aware I'm resorting to a kindergartenesque "They started it" argument, but..."they started it." They talk separation and hate, so I say, fine, I hate YOU for being a bigoted prick, so go separate.<br><br>It's sophistry to deplore the 'violence' of someone who fights back, and sophistry to accuse someone who is disgusted by blind prejudice of being blindly prejudiced against the bigots. If you don't see the difference between hating someone for an accident of birth, and hating them because they espouse a philosophy that seeks to deprive others of their civil liberties, that's your problem, not mine.<br><br>I could have just said I think anyone who espouses their hatefilled poppycock should be taken out to the three mile limit and told to start swimming instead of offering them a nice little judenfrei schwarzenfrei Aryan heimat to call their own. I was trying to be tolerant, but in truth I'm with William Lloyd Garrison:<br><br>"With reasonable men, I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost."<br><br>If these bullyboys met a few more people who beat them to the Louisville Sluggers, they might lose some swagger.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

this thread was about separatists. Now as much as you hate these 'supremacists', why raise a stink if they wish to self-segregate, especially if the net result is mutually beneficial to both them and you?<br><br>all this stuff about dominating, or enslaving other races I consider a SERIOUS RED HERRING. The word 'separatist' already has a definition, but you're warping it into something else completely.<br><br>again, this is the reactionary stuff one expectst from the United Nations if a country were to become 'non-interdepedant' and become a 'rogue nation' <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/30/05 12:00 am<br></i>

[banned]

I just SAID, I am happier than a possum eating shit if they segregate themselves.<br><br>If they segregate themselves so well I never see or hear them or even hear OF them ever again, that will be spiffy.<br><br>Segregate away, skinheads! <br><br>Buh-bye! Don't let the screen door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The problem arises when they want to deprive those other ["mud"] people of their rights based on their own bigotry.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->and what is this supposed to mean exactly?<br><br>not in a constitutional republic my friend. It's only in a pure democracy does the mob (if we imagine white separatist make up the majority) take or give away rights, and can force their agenda on all other.<br><br>how is it in my power to deprive you of your rights if I want nothing to do with you? how am I depriving you of becoming a full member of society if I live in a compound, or in the apalachians, or wherever else me and an association of others decide to buy private property which you cannot tresspass on?<br><br>I really don't understand the mentality of some people who want to force hostile groups to live together.<br><br>or perhaps this is just sophisticated problem... reaction... multi-cultural police state solution. <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/hsugh.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I just SAID, I am happier than a possum eating shit if they segregate themselves.<br><br>If they segregate themselves so well I never see or hear them or even hear OF them ever again, that will be spiffy.<br><br>Segregate away, skinheads! <br><br>Buh-bye! Don't let the screen door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->so what was with all the spittle and froth about evil white supremacists? <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

and another thing I noticed, you constantly make threads about this.<br><br>it's like the jilted girlfriend who says she's happy that her EX is out of her life, but still constantly leaves harrassing messages on his machine or slashes his tires. In the same way, it doesn't seem you'd be quite satisfied if white separatists really did separate.<br><br>you keep demonizing white separatists as 'nazis'. I wonder why you don't apply the same even handed treatment to the Amish, Tibetans, Kurds, Israelis, or really any other self-identifying group that seeks self-determination. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>this topic is getting old and busted. <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...playing by themselves, I don't have to like them, do I? Presumably in their compounds, they still talk smack about the nonwhites they no longer have to share air with, so can I also talk smack about them?<br><br>Funny how hating people who are usually known for hating seems to upset you. Can't I hate them? <br><br>Believe me, I am actually totally AGAINST forcing people who don't want any part of each other together. I have gotten in deep dookie with my progressive California pals because I say freedom of association should mean that if a group wants to exclude, as long as they aren't taking tax money, exclude away. That means men shouldn't have to open a men's club to women just because the women want in, and if a youth group says no fags, hey, no fags. Likewise I respected Catholics more when they made no bones that they thought everybody but them was going to hell <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .<br><br>I actually have never personally known a white supremacist, white separatist, Nazi, or anything similar. Yeah, sheltered life, eh? I had a nun in high school who was a dead ringer for George Lincoln Rockwell but that's as close as it's come. From everything I've read, they spend an inordinate amount of time aggrandizing themselves by saying nasty things about people who they consider inferior based on nothing but their skin color. So I hope I continue my 53 year long streak of never meeting one of them in the all too pasty flesh. <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...I've never posted in let alone started a thread on white supremacists/separatists before tonight, so not only is your reading comprehension impaired, you have me mixed up with someone else. <br><br>I may have mentioned on a thread on some other topic that I don't like Nazis--as Steve Martin was wont to say, Excyuuuuuuuse me. SHOULD I like Nazis? <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

ya, i was thinking proldic <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[thumperton]

I think the big schism in our thinking is that as a libertarian I don't let what other people say/think or live their own lives burden me whatsoever, which is the exact opposite in the way liberals get mortified when they find out more and more people are homeschooling, and aren't teaching the politically correct religion.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/wiggle.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

of 'white' in white separatist please Thump <p></p><i></i>

[wintler]

If we can ask for clarifications i'd like to see Proldic define 'openly support'. <br><br>'mention', sure, Heinberg mentions Abernethy (& Pimental? are you saying he is a white seperatist too?), but if you think that means support, well, you've been doing this too long.<br><br>I've heard Heinberg support the ideas of EF Schumacher, and believe me, its a little more than a mention in a sentence. I mention Darwins ideas on evolution because i agree with them (approximately), but his idea of parenting was abysmal - so does mentioning Darwin mean i support child abuse? cos thats your 'logic'.<br><br>But if all you're after Proldic is a smear, which is very much what this looks like, hey go right ahead, i'm sure some more smear-pals will be along shortly. <br><br>Else show Heinberg doing a little more than just mentioning ppl you call seperatists.<br> <p></p><i></i>