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Postby 4911 » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:20 pm

These guys are nuts! <br><br>"The Atzlan movement openly states its goal is to create a separatist state that encompasses the entire southern and western states. Their version of Hitler's Mein Kampf is the Plan of San Diego, which outlines the plan to ethnically cleanse the entire region of whites and blacks by mass genocide."? <br><br>Wha? These guys have a twisted version of deathwish2.0.<br><br>I cant get over how audacious that is. They got .. how many people demonstrating this crap?<br><br>Whos behind this garbage? The Neocons need some patsies to justify their new concentration camps or something? Nuts.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby sunny » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:31 pm

Do you have a link? <p></p><i></i>
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Plan de San Diego Link

Postby LoganSquare » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:46 pm

First (current) link I got was "The National Vanguard"<br>From their site:<br>National Vanguard is what you've been looking for: an intelligent and responsible organization that stands up for the interests of White people. If other races and interest groups can organize, so can we. Finally, White men and women have joined together &#8211; under the banner of National Vanguard. <br><br>The original plan dates from 1916: <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/PP/ngp4.html">www.tsha.utexas.edu/handb.../ngp4.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Plan de San Diego Link

Postby 4911 » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:59 pm

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Re: Plan de San Diego Link

Postby Sarutama » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:26 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=294071097862179">Plan De San Diego</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Is this the Plan De San Diego you are talking about? Seems a bit old to be a threat at this point.<br><br>Perhaps you are talking about the "Plan De Atzlan"?, heres a couple links I've found<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Espiritual_de_Aztlan">Wikipedia - Plan De Atzlan</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.umich.edu/~mechaum/Aztlan.html">MEChA - Plan De Atzlan</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>While it appears to be a somewhat militant "Chicano Pride" organization, it hardly seems to be the threat that the National Vangaurd makes it out to be. <br><br>It doesn't even appear to be the threat that the National Vangaurd <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>IS</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br>Regardless of how many pictures of flowers and cute little kids they put on their website they are still a dangerous, right wing, white supremacist organization. I would seriously question anything that they are your source for. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sarutama@rigorousintuition>Sarutama</A> at: 3/30/06 10:52 am<br></i>
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Re: Plan de San Diego Link

Postby Sarutama » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:33 pm

And I clearly do not know how to use the link function yet, sorry about that. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Plan de San Diego Link

Postby hmm » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:37 pm

now the links work im editing this post to say i agree with Sarutama in that this has been around for a while and to me seems mostly harmless.<br>Alex Jones does have a point that these kind of groups tend to get subverted..<br>I must admit that i am slightly biased in that i have alot more sympathy for a group that really is oppressed organising to express "pride" than i do for a bunch of old fat white men who have been in power for generations..<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hmm@rigorousintuition>hmm</A> at: 3/30/06 11:04 am<br></i>
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divide and conquer

Postby dbeach » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:52 pm

BIG BRO most likley has this movement infiltrated and will use to stir up caos<br><br>"Order from caos."<br><br><br>"During the Iran Contra hearings in the 80's, previously classified information came to light about Continuity of Government (CoG) procedures in times of national crisis. The masterminds behind these programs were Oliver North, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and the Rex-84 'readiness exercise' discussed the plan to round up immigrants and detain them in internment camps in the context of uncontrolled population movements across the Mexican border.<br><br>The real agenda was to use the cover of rounding up immigrants and illegal aliens as a smokescreen for targeting political dissidents and American citizens . From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.<br><br>Since 9/11 shadow government and CoG programs that were outlined in Rex-84 have been activated, including mass warrantless wiretapping of American citizens. The internment camp program is being readied for execution following the announcement on January 24th that Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps.<br><br>A much discussed and circulated report, the Pentagon's Civilian Inmate Labor Program, has recently been updated and the revision details a "template for developing agreements" between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations.""<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/300306raceriots.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...eriots.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: divide and conquer

Postby 4911 » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:01 pm

Thanks Ill check it out. <br><br>But I do have a question here - if you guys are telling me the atzlan movement is simply there for mexicans to display pride in themselves, then why is it being toted as the mexican SS on prisonplanet? <br><br>Alex Jones describes these people a furious genocidal invading horde from Guadaloupe, ready to stomp both blacks and whites to death on a murderous mass-rampage across seven states. He makes these guys out to be something like Chicano Brownshirt Nazis, parading what some people referred to as a harmless text to be on par with Mein Kampf.<br><br>Where is this discrepency coming from? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: divide and conquer

Postby Dreams End » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:43 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>then why is it being toted as the mexican SS on prisonplanet? <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I dunno. Maybe it was articles like this:<br><br>Articles and Editorials on Zionism, the Media and Hollywood<br><br>Jewish T.V. Producer Angers Latinos Over "Kingpin" Series<br><br>Jewish Film Producers Anger Mexican Catholics<br><br>How journalists are censored!<br><br>DISNEY COMPANY: Eisner Continues Insensitivity Towards Mexicans<br><br>Mel Gibson's Film on Jesus Christ: "buono per l'anima, non buono per il portafoglio"<br><br>An Example of the Historic Stereotyping of Mexicans by Jewish Hollywood<br><br>Zionists Threaten "Freedom of the Press"<br><br>Israelis and U.S. Zionists Escalate Cyber Warfare<br><br>"Sons of the Covenant" Defame La Voz de Aztlan<br><br>Letter to the Editor - RE: "Sons of the Covenant" Defame La Voz de Aztlan<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>La Voz de Aztlan Given Ultimatum<br><br>"One Nation Under God" vs. Zionist Protocol XIV<br>(Assault on Religion)<br><br>Anthrax Terrorists May be Zionists<br><br>Anthrax Letters Seem Contrived<br><br>FBI Closing in on Anthrax Terrorist<br><br>Zionist US Diplomat Threatens Mexican-Americans<br><br>LOS ANGELES: Jewish "Museum of Tolerance" is Intolerant<br><br>The Red Cross Vs. the Red Star of David<br><br>New Bin Laden tape will shed light on the truth<br><br>The Manjewrian Candidate<br><br>Jewish Magnate had just signed $3.2 billion deal on WTC towers<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aztlan.net/zionmedia.htm">www.aztlan.net/zionmedia.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've found some horrific stuff on that site. And I'm very left when it comes to immigration and nationalist causes. I have always assumed they are disinfo to discredit legitimate activists. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: divide and conquer

Postby OnoI812 » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:04 am

<br>"Order from caos."<br><br>yep Dbeach... Cornyn used this exact phrase the other day, and the news vid clipped it on national TV. I almost fell off my chair.<br><br>This whole immigration thing is a 4th Reich op to justify the camps and get people to accept it.<br><br>But it won't be simply Mexica in there...they'll use them for their enemies(people who actually follow what the criminals are doing) too, and the sheeple will cheer for it.<br><br>The only jobs not under threat from aussourcing, insourcing , or immigrants are the the Talking heads , politicians, and CEO's...It's all quite telling, how quickly their position whould change if it were the opposite. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: divide and conquer

Postby dbeach » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:26 am

ONO<br><br>"The only jobs not under threat from aussourcing, insourcing , or immigrants are the the Talking heads , politicians, and CEO's...It's all quite telling, how quickly their position whould change if it were the opposite. "<br><br>so inflame some radical groups after a thorough indoctraination of hate..then incite the masses to also hate same radical group and get each to blame/murder each other..and then its :<br><br>ORDER from CAOS<br><br>The PTB :<br><br>Create the problem<br>offer solutions<br>complicate the problem <br>incite the caos <br><br>offer more drastic solutions..<br><br>REPEAT<br><br>Profiting of course EVERY step of the way<br><br>The same or similar plan is used to demonize or alienate any group..<br><br>It worked well for the demonizing of VN Vets as baby killers dopers losers . the MM fanned those flames for yrs and still calls them losers...and the Vets are dying from Agent Orange and their VA bennies get cut by the pols who cheered then jeered VN and now cheer Iraq..<br><br>clintons were anti-war then and pro war now..WHY??<br><br>MM always the willing cohort...and the right swingers on TV keep blaming those liberals ..or clintons or whomever<br><br>Meanwhile these immigrant groups could take out their rage on the rest of us .. unless they are able to see through the illlusion. ... that the PTB benefit from the <br>income disparity/social injustice<br>that the PTB have flourished upon for yrs. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: divide and conquer

Postby OnoI812 » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:33 am

4911- Jones has a very interesting take on all this. He self admittetly says his family has been in Texas since the 1830's. He's led bullhorn protests where 90% of those on his side were hispanics againsts free immigration policies that Fox and Bushco are pushing. He says there is an open shooting war going on along the Texas border(that's not being reported). He says Mexico is openly teaching the school children that the US belongs to them and is encouraging them to go reclaim it, he says that the materials they are using to teach this are backed by the globalists He says he's researched that all the major spanish speaking radio stations and their FCC licenses are owned by white men. He says the 670 billboards in LA where USA is crossed out, and replaced with Mexico were funded by a Jewish man. <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://infowars.com/images2/immigration/290306atzlan2.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> He says that on these radio shows they openly exhibit racism against the Jewish, and blacks <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2005/06/30/image705519x.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> , and whites. He says that instead of watching MSM after the demonstrations, he listened to the Spanish stations and what he heard was almost the polar opposite-not immigration but encouragement of the takeover. He says that hispanics are already the majority population in all of Texas's major cities.<br>He says the the census numbers are purposely skewed , that there are a minimum of 8 million illegals in Texas alone and 30 million nationwide. He says these new inhabitants openly exhibt racism, and that stores right next to his studio could be equated with a KKK shop if the KKK were to display their wares openly. He has led demonstrations against the KKK as well. He says he was at a demonstration last year the demonstrators were wearing "Plan of San Diego" T-Shirts and shirts with pictures of mexicans holding cut-off blond haired, blue eyed heads in their hands. <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://infowars.com/images2/immigration/290306atzlan1.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>He says he didn't know what Plan of San Diego was until a hispanic friend told him what it meant. When he confronted the protestors they acknowledged , yes that is was directed at him.<br>He says he found out later the plan has German Nazi origins.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.infowars.com/articles/immigration/deisyseis_partone.htm#plan">www.infowars.com/articles/immigration/deisyseis_partone.htm#plan</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I am extremely depressed and have the feeling of being struck by a thunderbolt. Words cannot describe what I witnessed. For that reason, as the pain of what I’ve seen will take some time to percolate and dissipate, this is going to be part one of a three part series.<br><br>First off, anyone who knows me and the body of my work knows that I stand up for the little guy. Whether it’s innocent black farmers in Tulia, Texas being framed by racist white cops, or innocent Hispanic youth laboring in the modern slave fields of corporate prisons, I’m there standing up for them.<br><br>Earlier this year, when a young Hispanic man named Daniel Rocha was shot in the back for absolutely no reason by a female APD officer, I called for her indictment. I interviewed multiple organizations that were trying to get the word out about his tragic death.<br><br>I have protested the Klu Klux Klan at least 10 times – and by protest I don’t mean that I’ve trailed along in the back of a counter rally.<br><br>I have led demonstrations. I have bullhorned the toothless ne’er-do-wells at point blank range and have been the target of their death threats right in front of the police, who did nothing.<br><br>When a young black girl was falsely accused of abusing a baby, we rallied to her cause and she was found not-guilty. When US Marines shot the young Texas goat herder, Esequiel "Zeke" Hernandez, we sent cameras to the border and did dozens of reports on the case.<br><br>If I attempted to give you a bibliography of everything I’ve done in defense of the disadvantaged, it would fill a volume. </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>more txt,vid, links at link...<br><br>The Rightwingers seem to be gaining lot's of ammunition by some of the statements made after the march.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington and founder of the La Raza Unida political party. His full comment was: "We have an aging white America ... They are dying ...We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>we have got to kill him</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->."<br><br>In a column dated March 25, 2006, by Ernesto Cienguegos titled "La Gran Marcha" surpasses all expectations," Cienguegos wrote: “What does the immense success of "La Gran Marcha" mean to Mexicanos and other Latinos? It simply means that we now have the numbers, the political will and the organizational skills to direct our own destinies and not be subservient to the White and Jewish power structures.<br><br>The pictures and captions tell the story.<br><br>"This is our continent, not yours!" exclaimed one banner.<br><br>"We are indigenous! The only owners of this continent!" said another.<br><br>"If you think I'm illegal because I'm a Mexican, learn the true history, because I'm in my homeland," read another sign.<br><br>"One of the more negative parts of the march was when American flags were passed out to make sure the marchers were looked on as part of 'America,'" said the group's commentary on the L.A. rally.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><br>Not having his particular experience, I'm not entirely positive whether it's as massive as he claims or whether he's harping on an extremely small minority of radicals.<br><br>But the hairs stand up on the back of my neck when he brings up the Oliver North Rex 84 stuff. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 3/31/06 11:03 pm<br></i>
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Re: divide and conquer

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:24 am

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Re: the cartoon issue, the race issue,mexico is not WASP USA

Postby hmm » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:51 am

a couple of articles that illustrate this is not quite so "black and white" as it would first appear..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.blackcommentator.com/147/147_guest_peters_pickaninnies.html">www.blackcommentator.com/...nnies.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/04/MNGDKDISKS1.DTL">www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...DISKS1.DTL</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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