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However the different "villages" seem to have very different "cultures"and seem to be very island-like, with extra private security to stop unwanted visitors. I am sure that flaunting "we do what ever the hell we want" competition would go into overdrive in an environment like that.
OP ED wrote:oooh homosexuality. how shocking.
Yet in there spare time, engage in homosexual acts. And a lot of times its not even in a romantic, or lustful manner...but pure power exchanges, a way to compromise individuals.
cptmarginal wrote:Yet in there spare time, engage in homosexual acts. And a lot of times its not even in a romantic, or lustful manner...but pure power exchanges, a way to compromise individuals.
This hits on the aspect of this which is really most interesting to me - many of these people are married and have children. You couldn't really say they are gay - that is to say, they most likely could not love a man in a romantic way, and do not want to.
It seems to be entirely about power exchange, as you so accurately put it. Note that in many of Crowley's high magick workings, the ritual was centered on an a homosexual act - for some personalities, it seems to be a way of charging a huge amount of energy very effectively. Considering that the Grove members are clearly involved in purposeful magical practice (or at least feel compelled to visit a place organized by those that are involved), this seems like it could be important.
Another thing that always seemed interesting to me is that so many important people do feel compelled to visit this place. Take Nixon, for example; clearly, he was not into this sort of thing at all. So who is it that is behind this Grove that is so influential that he paid visit several times anyway? Why did he feel compelled to do this? What can we tell about the structure of elite society from this interesting dynamic at work in centers of power?
By the way, sorry if anyone was offended by this topic. I will reiterate: it is absolutely not my intention to pass judgment on people just for being gay. In fact, as I made clear above, I don't think these people even count as "gay". Speaking personally, I don't even subscribe to such simplistic labels about sexuality anyway - my own view tends more towards each person having some percentage of both feminine and masculine sexuality within them. It helps me understand why I see so many people all around me who are clearly frustrated or confused about sex and love - they think they can only be 100% "straight" or "gay". But I may not know what I'm talking about at all, at all.
8bitagent wrote:Yet in there spare time, engage in homosexual acts. And a lot of times its not even in a romantic, or lustful manner...but pure power exchanges, a way to compromise individuals.
cptmarginal wrote:it's quite a striking package.
OP ED wrote:8bitagent wrote:Yet in there spare time, engage in homosexual acts. And a lot of times its not even in a romantic, or lustful manner...but pure power exchanges, a way to compromise individuals.
You could point out that this is your opinion, assuming of course that you haven't had gay sex with all these people.
That is, you're spreading a rumor, basically, as you don't really know the nature of their sexual relationships.
[I could take issue with cptmarginal's use of the term "high magick" as well, but I'm pretty sure he/she probably wouldn't understand my semantical issues, so I'll leave it alone]
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