by Starman » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:38 am
))))))))<br>heath7 posted:<br>Mike Ruppert is a stooge<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> Sinopec joins Canadian oil sands venture <br><br>For the project to turn a profit, Lo said, ``oil prices must stay above the US$30 a barrel level.''<br><br>Oil isn't running out (sadly, for some ). The whole peak theory seems to be trivial. It might be real, but what's it matter when they can dredge oil sands and still make a profit at $30 a barrel. At today's prices of $50-$55 a barrel ($2.00-$2.10 for a gallon of gas) these sand dredgers are making an hellacious profit. Conventional production is popularly known to be significantly cheaper; just imagine the profits they must be scoring right now. <br><br>Hey heath7;<br><br>What gives? Why the ultra-cheap-shot drive-by slur on Ruppert with nothing to back it up or to critique his thesis except the most lame, half-assed trivial nod at some fobbish bit of Canadian-Shield Oil Co. tar-sand PR-promo stunt drivel as 'validation'? The actual 'costs' -- social, environmental, and economic -- of refining Canadian tar-sands into a viable energy-fuel product are substantial. Did you even bother to acquaint yourself with what's involved before you used it to assault someone of Ruppert's well-earned, hard-fought, laid-on-the-line credibility? I have the utmost respect for Ruppert for the courage and integrity he's shown in chasing-down ackward, even dangerous facts down and putting his career, rep. and even life on the line for what he believes in, which is WAAAY more than just a theory about energy-shortages. And what do you mean, that 'sadly' oil isn't running out? Peak oil is NOT, anyway, about running 'out'. That's NOT what it's about. For you to be so bold and blatant in saying such an outrageous, provocative thing, I'd expect you'd want to be on somewhat solid ground at the very least. Chances are, a LOT of folks won't even notice declining oil production for several years until it slaps them in their face. But even eventually, there still will be a LOT of oil around -- trouble is, it'll be too hard to get to, or require too much cost and effort or rare and expensive technology. That's what Peak Oil means, backed-up by declining oil discoveries and the evident reality that fields are being depleted quicker than new fields are being found. On top of that, the size of major reserves has been revised downwards at several companies, including Shell.<br><br>Even the 'promise' of Abiotic oil isn't a demonstrated godsend that will necessarily 'save' us -- The few places where oil has been found to be welling-up from deep strata where, according to well-established Russian and Ukranian geo-petroleum theories it is formed, such as offshore Lousianna and the Ukraine, are very limited. It's far from certain that many, let alone most, oil fields can be 'fed' through deep fractures and fissures so that oil formed 60 miles deep in the mantle can get to within 5 or 6 miles of the surface, about the limit of current drilling techniques. Fact IS -- many fields are declining output, some at alarming levels. Saudi Arabia, despite its rhetoric, has been unable to boost its current production -- it might take 15 years to increase its output 20 percent, which might not even meet current growth in demand in 10 years.<br><br>To repeat: Ruppert NEVER claimed an 'end' to oil. A lot of people lack the critical reading skills to get what he meant when he esplained what Peak Oil really means -- that point at which actual oil production begins to decline. A LOT of factors will enter into why this happens, and more significantly, the ripple consequences when this DOES happen. Those 'consequences' are what Ruppert and others have been primarily warning people about for the last several years, recognizing that tragically, we've lost the necessary lead time to make major changes to prevent the major disruptions that now most likely will occur. <br><br>Carter tried some 28 years ago, but the big-money Financial/Energy/Military/(and covert Intel/Crime) factions sabotaged his efforts, and led the nation (and world) into further short-term plunder-and-debt schemes that seriously degraded the socioeconomic, political and ecological viability of most of the third-world, while promoting neocolonial IMF/World Bank peonage indenture to prop-up the west's elaborate Fed Reserve Ponzi-racket, privatizing global assets and stoking Corporate profits while socializing Corporate costs, and continuing to wreak havoc with the environment by undermining the laws and regulations designed to minimize pollution and unsustainable development. Oh, and of course, where economic hitmen couldn't buy-off or induce third-world politicians and ruling-elites, and the wet-work Jackals either couldn't get close enough to their target or there were too many 'obstacles', Troops were sent in under the pretext of fighting 'communism' or saving American Citizens or some other trumped-up ruse to dupe the couch-potato rubes back-home, so the Bankers could collect their assessed fifty-percent tariff on nations GDP, and the oil and diamond and palladium and tantalum and coltan and timber concessioneers milk their mercenary-protected fortunes ...<br><br>Why do I mention these facts of modern ravaging? Simply -- they're all part of the same kind of plunder-mentality and zero-sum gamesmanship that the ruling-elites have imposed on the people and nations of the world, creating greater poverty and oppression as they divide the 'pie' of limited resources into more-and-more unequal and unjust piles -- encouraging waste and conspicuous consumption in the west in order to feed mass-merchanidized greed by which to exploit offshore cheap labour and tax-deferred factories, all part of the plan to build an elaborate energy and transportation dynasty that THEY and their cohorts control (think Enron and 'saving' Saudi Arabia from non-existent Iraqi tank brigades lined up on their border, all to secure lucrative oil concessions and to sell a trillion-dollars of already-obsolete fighters and tanks and bombs ...)<br><br>One of the big factors driving high oil prices and the oil industry's manipulation to exploit Peak Oil, is the immense cost of funding a trillion-dollar-yr. military-industrial complex, with the powerful interests and coincident control of crime rackets that such vast sums involve. The trillion dollars-plus a year dumped down the Black Budget black hole, some 20 trillion dollars over the last 10-15 years, could have completely tarnsformed and revitalized society around the world, going a LONG way to resolving the poverty and decay and broken-infrastructure and corrupted politics and crippled economies that promote despair and crime, the breeding-grounds for strife and terror and conflict. How many solor generators, deep-water pumping stations, pre-fabricated houses, air-tight stoves, solor-ovens, clinics, schools, alternative-fuel tractors, light-rail transit systems, could be built for nations the west has plundered and wrecked instead of the tens-of-thousands of multi-million dollar tanks and fighters and attack helicopters, bombers and cruisers and missile-ships, not to mention the many, many uncounted thousands of hundred-thousand-dollar apiece bunker-buster bombs and missiles, and all the other big-ticket items that have limited-use apart from provoking useless, immoral and unneeded and disasterous wars, etc.? <br><br>How much farther could the world be if people of vision and imagination and courage and deeply-moral principles were to be honestly elected by a well-informed, involved electorate exercising the ideal of We, The People self-government, taking care of basic human-rights issues and community and nation needs and NOT indebted to the good-old-boy network of graft and back-scratching, favors and Corporate interests? No wonder Bush is so hyper-paranoid and has the Secret Service investigating every last intimation of anything even remotely a 'threat' (I've heard the most amazing, incredible things about 'anonymous' tips taking the most innocuous things as an actual 'danger' to the Prez's life, that when compared to the things Repub hatemonger fanatics said about Clinton there's NO way it makes sense -- Bush must KNOW, on some level, how deeply people of moral clarity see through his false-veneer, and must hold him in contempt.<br><br>OK-- To continue; You said:<br><br>The best part (for industrial-age man, anyway) is there's trillions of barrels located in oil sands in Canada alone, not to mention the trillions more in oil shale just in the U.S. Rocky Mountains which has recently begun being developed.<br><br>We are being enronned, and Mike Ruppert's a stooge because he never draws anything but a pessimistic line that benefits only the oil barons. <br>****<br>Jeez, that is just SO not true. Do you really think Ruppert has ANY influence on OIL PRICES? Sheesh, it seems like you also don't know anything about how the international oil markets work, or how prices are determined. Your 'claim' about the bonanza of oil sands and oil shale indicate you haven't looked at what's involved in mining and then refining, and then getting the processed oiul to market, let alone the enormous production and environmental and transport costs.<br><br>As to your 'deduction' that Ruppert's a stooge because he's always 'pessimistic' -- Cripes, but that's so self-serving -- It's like dissing a realist painter because he doesn't paint abstracts, or a Jazz musician for not playing the blues. Consider the subjects Ruppert is speaking on -- and it's false to say he isn't ever positive and optimistic -- his underlying message is that people MUST take control of their lives and seek to be well-informed and involved -- his main message is self-empowerment and activism based on folks being committed to their principles and ideals, in order to bring-about the kinds of sweeping changes in society and in our government that reflect reality and NOT pie-in-the-sky schemes, or half-baked notions, or faith-based ideology based on delusions. His message is actually hopeful, that we CAN make a difference -- or else, why even give a damn that we were betrayed and horribly deceived by our 'leader' on 911?<br><br>You wrote:<br>...This all, however, forces me to reassess all the geopolitical positioning that's been going on; why then are we in Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon to be Iran if its not for the oil? Are 'we' positioning ourselves opposed to China and Russia (and perhaps India) for some reason ? <br><br>The purpose is only partly about controlling oil-access to China and India, as much as its about controlling pipelines in the region, and securing the Heroin/Cocaine pipeline, and thereby exercising a great deal of influence in Europe and the Balkans, as well as to surround China and Russia, as well as to enlist Israel as a US security client -- And too, the gullible US taxpayers and future Iraq oil consumers will be paying the several-hundred billion-dollar 'bill' for services tendered, great gobs being gobbled along the way by all variety of well-placed contractors with favored Pentagon/CIA contacts, as well as the standby Corporations Halliburton, Brown and Root etc. ripping-off their customary 25-40 percent ... Its a money machine, even better than Yugoslavia/Kosova. Just think of all the Military resupply and equipment providers, and all those grubby middlemen.<br><br>Opportunity via Chaos ...<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
