Music and politics

[TroubleFunk]

Check out these groups, politics lovers - especially you Anti-Flag types, this is where it started:<br><br>Dead Kennedys (obviously)<br>Millions of Dead Cops (equally obviously)<br>DOA, especially the older stuff, though they're still kicking!<br>The Dicks<br>TSOL's first EP, incredible<br>Crass (obviously!)<br>Discharge<br>DRI, the first few recordings and especially the self-titled first EP<br>Beefeater - fantastic!<br><br>feel free to add more, there are plenty and these are off the top of my head at 7 am. <p></p><i></i>

[friend catcher]

A recent post regarding digital quality had me lugging out my old and dusty vinyl collection. A compare and contrast session between vinyl, cd and downloaded mp3, using the Rolling Stones (Sister Morphine and Gimme Shelter) as the control focus. Vinyl won unanimously with five judges. No comparison at all. I came across a long forgotten Talking Heads album- Remain in Light, and this song stands out. If they had released it in 2004 I'm sure the wing nuts would have relished this feast<br><br> Listening Wind<br>-------------------<br><br>Mojique sees his village from a nearby hill<br>Mojique thinks of days before Americans came<br>He sees the foreigners in growing numbers<br>He sees the foreigners in fancy houses<br>He thinks of days that he can still remember...now.<br><br>Mojique holds a package in his quivering hands<br>Mojique sends the package to the American man<br>Softly he glides along the streets and alleys<br>Up comes the wind that makes them run for cover<br>He feels the time is surely now or never...more.<br><br>The wind in my heart<br>The wind in my heart<br>The dust in my head<br>The dust in my head<br>The wind in my heart<br>The wind in my heart<br>(Come to) Drive them away<br>Drive them away.u<br>Mojique buys equipment in the market place<br>Mojique plants devices in the free trade zone<br>He feels the wind is lifting up his people<br>He calls the wind to guide him on his mission<br>He knows his friend the wind is always standing...by.<br><br>Mojique smells the wind that comes from far away<br>Mojique waits for news in a quiet place<br>He feels the presence of the wind around him<br>He feels the power of the past behind him<br>He has the knowledge of the wind to guide him...on.<br><br>The wind in my heart<br>The wind in my heart<br>The dust in my head<br>The dust in my head<br>The wind in my heart<br>The wind in my heart<br>(Come to) Drive them away<br>Drive them away.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[The Omega Man]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Check out these groups, politics lovers - especially you Anti-Flag types, this is where it started:<br><br>Dead Kennedys (obviously)<br>Millions of Dead Cops (equally obviously)<br>DOA, especially the older stuff, though they're still kicking!<br>The Dicks<br>TSOL's first EP, incredible<br>Crass (obviously!)<br>Discharge<br>DRI, the first few recordings and especially the self-titled first EP<br>Beefeater - fantastic!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Nicely done! and I would add:<br><br>The MC5<br>Crucifix<br>Bad Brains<br>Killing Joke<br>Raw Power (Italy)<br>Sex Pistols<br>Antidote (NY)<br>SSD-Society System Decontrol<br>Anti-Pasti (UK)<br><br>That's all I've got for right now.<br>Cheers!<br> <p></p><i></i>

[dude h homeslice ix]

subhumans, too. dont forget them. and proletariat...but you guys covered most of em.<br><br>oh, for the high wierdness of it all, check out the godbullies. <p></p><i></i>

[Seamus OBlimey]

If we're gonna get this thread back on track..<br><br>Have you guys forgotten the CLASH?<br><br>Stiff Little Fingers?<br>The Adverts?<br><br>and some are still at it..<br><br>NoMeansNo.. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.no-means-no.de/">www.no-means-no.de/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Chumbawamba.. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.chumba.com/Chumbawambanewsthings1.html">www.chumba.com/Chumbawamb...ings1.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Blyth Power.. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.blythpower.co.uk/news/index.htm">www.blythpower.co.uk/news/index.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Which Subhumans dude? the UK ones are still going as Citizen Fish.. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.citizenfish.com/">www.citizenfish.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>If you want free music..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.worldofbeardandpog.co.uk/pog.htm">www.worldofbeardandpog.co.uk/pog.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.innercityunit.com/">www.innercityunit.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Can't find any songs by Obama tho <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Corvidaerex]

Yeah, the Clash did stuff that's amazing to consider a quarter-century later.<br><br>I grew up in that era, so I first learned about "Spanish Bombs" and "Washington Bullets" from the Clash, and went to the library bookshelves seeking more info.<br><br>Plus, the music was and is outrageous. That bass, those beats, that Mick Jones crazy guitar, the horn sections, the dub reggae, and of course Strummer's sincere sneer and biting historical/political lyrics.<br><br>Did you know Topper Headon wrote & recorded "Rock the Casbah" and "Ivan Meets GI Joe," or that Paul Simonon's dad was a Communist Party member and that Paul named the band (from newspaper headlines) and made their Pollack/militia clothes? Or that Simonon is an accompanied classical artist?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[xsic bastardx]

<br> whoa...are we at the rigorous board now delving into Punk History 101? Gotta Love it....Punks not dead, it's just passed out for awhile <p></p><i></i>

[Seamus OBlimey]

Is it really a quarter century? you're making me feel my age now. I still have Clash City Rockers tattood on my arm.<br><br>They turned me from a don't give a fuck punk into a gotta give a fuck or else punk. Crass played their part too, and many others.<br><br>I love the way I can play my old Clash albums to folks who are into the dance/rap/RnB thing and they think it's some radical new band!<br><br>But who's carrying the torch now? Bob and Bono? Laugh? I could piss myself! <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Our anti-establishment roots are showing..<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.united-mutations.com/c/bluesfi.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[Seamus OBlimey]

Oh come on Arcadia teh Cramps weren't really punk. And definitely not polical. in fact, like the Stranglers they were part of the rot and sleaze that soon set in.. image over substance that soon became Goth! <p></p><i></i>

[streeb]

Joe Strummer should have been poet laureate<br><br>If you can play on the fiddle<br>Hows about a british jig and reel?<br>Speaking kings english in quotation<br>As railhead towns feel the steel mills rust water froze<br>In the generation<br>Clear as winter ice<br>This is your paradise<br><br>There aint no need for ya<br>Go straight to hell boys<br><br>Ywanna join in a chorus<br>Of the amerasian blues?<br>When its christmas out in ho chi minh city<br>Kiddie say papa papa papa papa-san take me home<br>See me got photo photo<br>Photograph of you<br>Mamma mamma mamma-san<br>Of you and mamma mamma mamma-san<br>Lemme tell ya bout your blood bamboo kid.<br>It aint coca-cola its rice.<br><br>Straight to hell<br>Oh papa-san<br>Please take me home<br>Oh papa-san<br>Everybody they wanna go home<br>So mamma-san says<br><br>You wanna play mind-crazed banjo<br>On the druggy-drag ragtime u.s.a.?<br>In parkland international<br>Hah! junkiedom u.s.a.<br>Where procaine proves the purest rock man groove<br>And rat poison<br>The volatile molatov says-<br><br>Pssst...<br>Hey chico we got a message for ya...<br>Vamos vamos muchacho<br>From alphabet city all the way a to z, dead, head<br><br>Go straight to hell<br><br>Can you really cough it up loud and strong<br>The immigrants<br>They wanna sing all night long<br>It could be anywhere<br>Most likely could be any frontier<br>Any hemisphere<br>No mans land and there aint no asylum here<br>King solomon he never lived round here<br><br>Go straight to hell boys<br><br>- Straight To Hell, The Clash<br><br>Hey Seamus - You might have a point about the Cramps but those first few albums are still pretty fabulous. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Oh come on Arcadia teh Cramps weren't really punk.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Nope, but they had a great sense of art..Not everything has to be 'political' to be counter-culture/anti-establishment. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[Seamus OBlimey]

Don't get me wrong, I do like the Cramps but the thread is music and politics. What always pissed me off about the fashion punks who later became goths was their disdain for us who tried to make a difference while calling themselves 'alternative.'<br>The Cramps aren't to blame and neither are the Stranglers or the Damned. It was Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy and their black-clad followers who destroyed a previously vibrant scene by taking one aspect of it to it's nihilistic limits. Straight to hell indeed.<br><br>Or Blackpool <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wastedfestival.com/">www.wastedfestival.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[friend catcher]

The Cramps, I'd forgotten all about the Cramps. I saw them in 1982 on an illicit trip to London, I think it was at a club called the Batcave near Charring X.. Myself and a couple of friends were regularly ditching the school uniforms and catching the coach to london to smell the underground scene and the Cramps were certainly memorable. Men wore as much make up as the women , hair was mostly raven black, crimped or spikey and sometimes both. Speed was the popular drug of choice and consumed in teeth rotting quantities. One seriously demented band, that night at least, "You've got good taste" was the opening song and it only got better. can't say I thought they were overtly political and I'm glad about that, as sloganeering political songs often but not always leave me cold. The Cramps, yeah, time to look for a torrent, methinks.<br>New Model Army made a name for themselves a couple of years later with a defiantly socialist outlook and " I believe in Justice" became an anthemic track throughout the mid 80's. On the other side of the musical divide there was Joy Division who were a local band that mutated into New Order after the suicide of their lead singer. I was too young to know Joy Division but my sister being 4 years older was a big fan and saw them a couple of times.They attracted, or courted, a fascist undertone and with names like joy division and new order were always suspected of nefarious influences.And then there was the diabolical Red Wedge coalition in support of the Labour Party, vapid and pointless I thought but others remember it with fondness.<br><br>if anyone's read this far then the link in the parlour to Nick Cave lectures is worth following up. You'll struggle to find a more eloquent and challenging self dissection of what an artist does. Some of his assertions make me uneasy and after all that's what art should do. Here endeth the rant <p></p><i></i>

[friend catcher]

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Don't get me wrong, I do like the Cramps but the thread is music and politics. What always pissed me off about the fashion punks who later became goths was their disdain for us who tried to make a difference while calling themselves 'alternative.'<br>The Cramps aren't to blame and neither are the Stranglers or the Damned. It was Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy and their black-clad followers who destroyed a previously vibrant scene by taking one aspect of it to it's nihilistic limits. Straight to hell indeed.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Seamus, I strongly disagree on many levels with what you say. My experience of the goth types was that they had a very good understanding of the bullshit world we are told we live in. Whilst its true that some would be in it for the black and gloomy clothing many were attracted to the pessimism that was an antidote to the aspirational marketing driven life that surrounded them. Decent journalists,writers and artists of a certain age will often admit to a goth history. Many old punks just ended up in marketing and graphic design which was an integral part of the birth of punk. Attending art school in Chelsea,just off the Kings road, in the early 90's meant I came across some of those influential early punks in their post musical career and all of them were business savvy, in a methodical way I did not like or respect. I would by no means slag the punks as a musical thing but the music had it's inbuilt limits and those with talent soon moved elsewhere. <p></p><i></i>