Kerry tells Mark Crispin Miller election was stolen

[Rigorous Intuition]

Miller <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=399775&mesg_id=399790">posted this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> himself today at Democratic Underground (Miller has confirmed the post on his <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/">blog</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> this morning):<br><br>Kerry's statement was not planned. He did not expect to see me. His sister, Peggy Kerry, purposely invited me to that fundraiser so that I could hand the senator a copy of my book. (She too understands the urgency of getting the top Democrats to push the issue of electoral reform.)<br><br>So I spoke briefly with him just as he arrived, and handed him the book, saying, "You were robbed, Senator." He said, "I know!" with a clear gesture of extreme frustration, and then said that he can't get any of his colleagues on the Hill to face the issue. Said that he had lately had an argument about it with Chris Dodd, who didn't want to hear about it. Kerry tried to tell him about all the problems with the electronic touch-screen machines, but Dodd refused to listen, saying that he had looked into it, and that "there's nothing there." (In bringing the subject up with Dodd, Kerry was not influenced by the GAO report, which he didn't even know about until I mentioned it to him. Indeed, he seemed mightily impressed that the GAO had come out with a strong report.)<br><br>I urged him to spearhead a major senatorial investigation into what went down last year, in the spirit of his best work in that chamber, when he led inquiries into Iran/contra and BCCI. He said that, given his position, he doubts that he can be the one to go out front about the issue, because of the "sour grapes" factor. I appreciate his dilemma, but still think that he must embrace the issue of electoral reform, for the country's sake. (I also think that it would be the only way in which he might redeem himself for his deplorable concession just a year ago.)<br><br>Believe me, I understand, and share, your feelings of impatience at the senator's long silence (which, again, he certainly would not have broken if I hadn't happened to bump into him). But if he'll champion the issue of electoral reform, we stand to gain much more than we can get from merely cursing him for his timidity. I therefore would advise you all to shower him with strong encouragement ASAP.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

Perhaps Senator Kerry should change his name to John Forbes Toolatethehero. <br><br>I'll give anyone another chance- but pulled punches don't win bouts. <br><br>I don't want apologism from anyone about why they won't do the right thing. If the only way to do it is to commit "career suicide", then do it. Believe me, there are plenty of other options open. The cab companies are always hiring. <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 11/4/05 1:44 pm<br></i>

[manxkat]

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/" target="top">RawStory.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> has something about Kerry denying this -- "developing." What could be more typical -- maybe the Repugnicans were right: FLIP-FLOP. <br><br>Kerry is so damn transparent. After his abysmal campaign and constant flag-waving and patriotism-gushing, to step down like he did without a fight.... I don't see how he has any credibility left. I haven't seen polls, but I expect he wouldn't have a chance again, and rightly so.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=manxkat@rigorousintuition>manxkat</A> at: 11/4/05 1:39 pm<br></i>

[wordspeak]

Thanks, Jeff (and thanks, Mark Crispin Miller). This is a potentially huge story, if it's true, and I have no reason to disbelieve MCM. I heard him debating about it on "Democracy Now" this morning with a guy named Mark Hertsgaard.<br>How to possibly break the story into the mainstream press?<br><br>When Miller says, "I therefore would advise you all to shower him with strong encouragement ASAP," I assume he's talking to his readers and grassroots activists, i.e. us....<br>Flood Kerry's office with calls and simultaneously blast letters to the editor to newspapers, starting with the Boston Globe? <p></p><i></i>

[Peachtree Pam]

If ever there was a fixed election (I'm going to steal the election by fraud with electronic balloting, but I'll compensate you for not making a fuss), it was the 2004 election - even worse than 2000 and 2002 (practice). I'm disappointed to see that Mark C Miller is so naive. <p></p><i></i>

[manxkat]

Yeah, I don't think that Mark Crispin Miller's suggestion of flooding Kerry's in-box is realistic, for a lot of reasons. But, perhaps Crispin Miller is upping the ante and putting the pressure on Kerry, whilst doing it sort of in an underhanded "friendly" way. I mean, Miller would look less credible if he BLAMED Kerry outright. Just a thought. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[glubglubglub]

I assume he's got an astutely tuned sense of what's 'politically acceptable' to say and do in public and have on the public record; what he says and does when he believes himself off the record is entirely different (although I'm not sure which kind of different I'm inclined to believe -- I don't know enough about him). The downside is that he trends towards a far, far too conservative public persona -- better safe than sorry like Howard 'the scream; Dean -- and hence the 'boredom' factor with him.<br><br>When I'm charitable, I assume that:<br>a) he knew it was a stolen election from whenever<br>b) his campaign team pretty quickly saw there was a total lack of conclusive evidence available at the time, ergo he couldn't really win a challenge (and if he did scalia and company would just install bush again anyways)<br>c) and even if he cared, I'm sure some kind of vague threats of this or that or something else could waft their way to him through the usual backdoor, deniable channels<br><br>and that's assuming a charitableness I'm not inclined to offer him nine days out of ten. <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

A spokesman for Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) vehemently denied that the senator had told a popular liberal author and journalist that he believed the 2004 election was "stolen" in response to queries from <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Senator_Kerry_rebuffs_claim_he_said_1104.html">Raw Story</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br>And as you say, how typical. I'm glad Miller went public with remarks Kerry no doubt expected to remain in confidence.<br><br>The big picture of the theft of 2004 includes Kerry's securing the nomination and his campaign's defusion of genuine opposition to the imperial agenda. <p></p><i></i>

[manxkat]

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Senator_Kerry_rebuffs_claim_he_said_1104.html" target="top">Senator Kerry rebuffs claim he said election was stolen</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[manxkat]

"The big picture of the theft of 2004 includes Kerry's securing the nomination and his campaign's defusion of genuine opposition to the imperial agenda. "<br><br>Exactly. I wanted to barf with his "reporting for duty" crap at the convention. There were SO many weaknesses with Bush that Kerry wouldn't take on.... and, that was a sure sign he was compromised either through his own lack of judgement or as part of a conspiracy by the PTB. There, I said it. LOL<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

I don't know who Mark Miller is, but I can't believe anyone could believe that Kerry is not totally in the know about the GAO thing and every other detail about the rigged election. <br><br>And when the numbers came in on that fateful night, I had one of those WTF moments and stood in front of the TV with my mouth hanging open, knowing in my gut it was all a lie. When Kerry handed it over with nary a wimper, that was another WTF moment that left me standing with my mouth hanging open.<br><br>Face it folks, they're cut from the same cloth and both members of Skull and Bones. The nazis wore a skull and bones symbol on their hats. Bush family has Nazi ties up the wazoo. <br><br>There are no democrats or republicans in office in Washington. They are all actors on a huge world stage. Finding issues to pit us against one another so we take our focus off what is happening. <br><br>Right now, the Patriot Act and the forced vaccination act are probably two of the worst pieces of legislation ever written when it comes to our civil rights. And what is happening? People are focused on a couple of indictments, ie DeLay and Libbey. (No telling what other laws are on the table I don't know about.) <br><br>Watch how fast they are passing laws that strip us of our freedom. Whatever happened to things taking "forever" to get done in the government realm? That's been their reputation for days gone by, but when it comes to yanking our freedom out from under us and raping the constitution and the land, things move at warp speed. <br><br>Kerry is a tool of the New World Order, same as Bush. There are no differences between the two. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[maggrwaggr]

that's what we have. We have the theater of democracy, masquerading before a complacent public.<br><br>At least that's what I think most of the time. <br><br>In my more optimistic moments I think perhaps Kerry's losing on purpose (it's obvious he lost on purpose, and was in on the loss) was so that they could nail Bush while he was still President. Four years of destroying the Republican party while Bush is pres.<br><br>Which is sorta what's happening now.<br><br>But there's no doubt in my mind that Kerry lost on purpose, or at least let the powers that be deliberately arrange his "losing".<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...and conceded before the dust settled.<br><br>Edwards I think was on the level, he didn't want to give in.<br><br>Whatever Kerry says now the reaction of those of us stupid enough to have voted for him should be "Fuck off, Bonesman, go give Junior a blowjob like you used to in the Tomb." <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

banned puts his/her 'finger' on the real problem with Kerry,<br><br>He was compromised from the outset...with his history with Skull and Bones....that blackmailable initiation with forced photographed masturbation in a coffin.<br><br>He was selected by the neoCon Cabal because he was vulnerable and they [with the assistance of their henchmen in the MSM] handed him the nomination.<br><br>No one with any connection to Skull and Bones should be allowed to run for the presidency.<br><br>But over and above that, it is the issue of the fraudulent vote. The rigged voting machines, the cardboard ballot boxes, the media 'reporting' the vote after it has been counted. The count may be correct and reported as correct to the central information clearing house on election night. Unfortunately, the central information clearing house that computes the vote is run by the MSM which is run by the Cabal. Unless those aspects of the electoral process are changed....it doesn't matter who runs for government, or what country they run in, the US, Canada, the UK, France, whatever, it is suspect and it is vulnerable to electoral fraud. <p></p><i></i>

[monster]

They all re-position themselves as adversaries, I saw a thing where Jimmy Carter said the election was stolen. Aw, no shit? No wonder they say he's one of the smartest presidents. <br><br>But then what happens? Nothing. The charade goes on...<br><br>It's like my parents, die-hard republicans, my dad finally starting to apologize for Bush, sort of admitting he's an idiot, and on the one hand I'm like "welcome aboard" and on the other hand I'm like "No <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>shit</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, where the fuck you been?"<br><br>There's a percentage of people who perceive reality in realtime. Then there's those who never get it. But there's this big in-between class of people, who we spend (waste?) all our time trying to convince. And by the time they get to step <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>one</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, it's too freakin' late. <br><br>I'm sick of waiting for them, I hate it. They're caught in a bear trap, we're hiking in the wilderness and we've got to leave them behind, it's sad, but we can't let them slow us down. <br><br>I understand, they don't want to live in a world where their own government will terrorize and kill them. But when you put your head in the sand, you put your ass up in the air and it's not a pretty picture no matter what your illusion of choice is. <br><br>End rant. <p></p><i></i>