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Postby Ted the dog » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:23 pm

What's the general RI consensus on Al Gore? just wondering what you all think about the guy.... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Gore

Postby sunny » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:42 pm

Ted, I don't speak for people here, but I think Gore was a naive, well-intentioned boy scout who woke up and smelled the coffee. <br>Near the end of his MLK day speech he asked ( I'm paraphrasing, to lazy to google just now) "If Bush can break this law,[warrantless wiretapping] what <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>couldn't</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> he do? Suspend elections, have people murdered on the streets of New YorK? Where is the line drawn?"<br><br>I'm sure I don't have it just right, but that was the jist of it, displaying a growing knowledge of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Deep Politics</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->- if he got any visibility or respect in the media, his life would be in danger. And that is why I worry about Feingold, especially lately. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Gore

Postby nomo » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:42 pm

I've seen him make some truly amazing, passionate speeches lately. Which makes me believe he's more of a real human being than most politicos. Which in turn would explain why he was not allowed to win.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Ted the dog » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:54 pm

yeah...I was pretty much on the same line of thinking that the two of you just described.<br><br>Saw this today:<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headlines06/0313-04.htm">www.commondreams.org/cgi-...313-04.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br>Published on Monday, March 13, 2006 by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel <br>Al Gore Fires Up Crowd at West Palm Beach Fund-Raiser <br>by John Coté <br> <br>WEST PALM BEACH - Former Vice President Al Gore returned Sunday to what one supporter called "the scene of a crime," telling a feisty, partisan crowd that the administration of President Bush poses an unprecedented test for U.S. democracy.<br><br>"I genuinely believe that American democracy faces a time of trial and challenge right now more serious than any that we have ever faced," Gore told about 400 supporters gathered at the Kravis Center for a fund raiser to boost state Democrats in the November election.<br><br>Gore cited a litany of issues, including the Bush administration's assertions of executive power, its fumbled response to Hurricane Katrina and its backing of a secret, domestic surveillance program, warrantless searches and interrogation methods used in Iraq and the war on terror.<br><br>"In every war there have been excesses ... that have come out of the extremes of combat and war," Gore said. "But never previously has it been official U.S. policy to depart from that respect that we should not torture."<br><br>Backers, still chafing from the infamous 2000 election recount in Florida that ended with Gore losing the presidency despite winning the national popular vote, roared and lauded him with standing ovations.<br><br>"Welcome back, Mr. President!" someone yelled from the crowd as Gore took the stage.<br><br>Palm Beach County, with its notorious butterfly ballot, had been a focal point of the recount. It was apparent Sunday that some local Democrats harbor bitter feelings.<br><br>"This was the scene of a crime," said West Palm Beach Mayor Lois Frankel, whose son, Marine Capt. Benjamin Lubin, has served in Afghanistan.<br><br>"We're very proud of him," Frankel said of her son. "But I can tell you, if Al Gore had been president, my son would not have been at war."<br><br>Gore cautioned against complacency in upcoming Senate, congressional, gubernatorial and other races, even as the Republican Party has been buffeted by scandal surrounding indicted former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, lobbyist Jack Abramoff and internal fissures from a scuttled Bush administration proposal to allow a state-owned United Arab Emirates company to run shipping terminals in Miami and five other U.S. seaports.<br><br>"I want to give you a couple of reasons to redouble your efforts," Gore said.<br><br>"Voter fraud!" an audience member quickly offered up, to the delight of the crowd.<br><br>Gore smiled.<br><br>"I'll let others talk about that, but I like some of what I heard out here," he said.<br><br>Gore was alternately humorous, plodding, folksy and rousing for the crowd, most of whom paid between $50 and $100 to attend.<br><br>There was plenty of fight in the candidates who spoke, including gubernatorial hopeful state Sen. Rod Smith of Alachua and congressional candidates Sen. Ron Klein, D-Boca Raton, who is trying to defeat U.S. Rep. Clay Shaw, R-Fort Lauderdale, and Tim Mahoney of Palm Beach Gardens, who is challenging U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, R-Jupiter. "I'm here to make sure Clay Shaw gets his Social Security entitlement, along with Katherine Harris and Tom DeLay," Klein said. "There is a change coming."<br><br>Democratic officials did not have an estimate Sunday on how much money the event raised.<br><br>Gore has been crossing the state over the past two days raising money for Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, including stops in St. Petersburg, Fort Lauderdale and Miami Beach, State Democratic Party Chairwoman Karen Thurman said.<br><br>Nelson's Republican opponent is U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris, the former state chief elections officer who certified the disputed 2000 presidential election results.<br><br>Harris, her Senate bid floundering amid revelations that a defense contractor who bribed a California congressman also gave her thousands in illegal campaign contributions, canceled an appearance Saturday at a Republican leadership conference in Tennessee.<br><br>Harris skipped the event to prepare "a major announcement next week" regarding her Senate campaign, she said. That further fueled speculation that she may drop out of the race.<br><br>Information form The Associated Press was used to supplement this report. <br><br> <br>=========================================<br><br><br><br>I had heard something about Gore maybe running in 2008 as an indie? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ...

Postby sunny » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:59 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I had heard something about Gore maybe running in 2008 as an indie?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>___________________________________________<br><br>Wouldn't that be interesting? But I have to say, I'd hope that Feingold is on the ticket, top or bottom, doesn't matter. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby CyberChrist » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:06 pm

Gore has ruled out a 2008 run, but it would sure be damn nice if he did. I think he could definitely win if he ran as a beltway outsider. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Postby Ted the dog » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:10 pm

<br><br><br>"Wouldn't that be interesting? But I have to say, I'd hope that Feingold is on the ticket, top or bottom, doesn't matter. "<br><br>"Gore has ruled out a 2008 run, but it would sure be damn nice if he did. I think he could definitely win if he ran as a beltway outsider. "<br><br><br>maybe I'm getting too excited about this, but man...it sure would be something to see both of them running together as indies...Gore for pres, Feingold for VP. or maybe even vice versa. man....that would wake people up like no other.<br><br>I think one essential puzzle piece here that a lot of people (especially the democratic party's leaders like Harry Reid) keep forgetting...or maybe they just don't care...is that Americans LOVE an underdog. They LOVE the idea of an honest bad-ass with a compassionate ear and a heart of gold that's willing to call it as it is and clean house when need be. and only a blind fool would think we're not in need of the biggest house cleaning session in American history right now. <br><br>I was really disappointed when I saw what went on with Paul Hackett recently...that was such a pathetic waste. Reid should be ashamed of himself. and I'm getting disappointed all over again when I see these cowardly democrats not only backing away from Feingold, but bashing him in the process. <br><br>If Gore ran, as an indie or as a dem (but preferably as an indie) I just can't see people ignoring him. He's got the clout. At this point in time, he seems to be speaking from the heart and saying a lot of things that a lot of Americans really want and need to hear right now. too bad it probably won't happen. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Dreams End » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:34 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>At this point in time, he seems to be speaking from the heart and saying a lot of things that a lot of Americans really want and need to hear right now<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>He should have thought of that earlier. Say, when he was v.p. <p></p><i></i>
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Hackett

Postby streeb » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:26 pm

Anybody see Hackett on the Daily Show last night? <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/ed_helms/index.jhtml">www.comedycentral.com/sho...ndex.jhtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Ted the dog » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:51 pm

"He should have thought of that earlier. Say, when he was v.p. "<br><br><br>yeah...true. but like it was stated earlier, he seems like a boy scout-type that had his eyelids violently jerked open....and now he can see. <p></p><i></i>
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Hackett

Postby heyjt » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:58 pm

Hackett was great. Of course, they did a skit where he went from outspoken hard-edge Democrat to a puppet that was completely Stepford Wives DLC.<br> It was really Hackett saying to the party "F.U."<br> I think the 200 election experiance has un-hobbled Al Gore also. With Finegold out there, and now backed by Harken and Boxer, we may truely see the tide turn. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hackett

Postby Gouda » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:26 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Voter fraud!" an audience member quickly offered up, to the delight of the crowd.<br><br>Gore smiled.<br><br>"I'll let others talk about that, but I like some of what I heard out here," he said.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> I'm not smiling. <p></p><i></i>
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