Whistleblower Charged w/ Three Felonies, Exposing Diebold

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Whistleblower Charged w/ Three Felonies, Exposing Diebold

Postby Gouda » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:13 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-soby-jr/whistleblower-charged-wit_b_16411.html">www.huffingtonpost.com/pe...16411.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A whistleblower in Los Angeles is in legal trouble and needs our help. Stephen Heller is alleged to have exposed documents in Jan. & Feb. 2004 which provided smoking gun evidence that Diebold was using illegal, uncertified software in California voting machines. The docs also showed that Diebold's California attorneys (the powerful international law firm Jones Day) had told them they were in breach of the law for using uncertified software, but Diebold continued to use the uncertified software anyway... <br><br>...And he's now at risk of over 3 years in state prison. <br><br>Email the Los Angeles District Attorney's office at lada@co.la.ca.us.<br><br>A good old fashioned snail mail letter is very powerful tool:<br><br>District Attorney's Office<br>County of Los Angeles<br>210 West Temple Street, Suite 18000<br>Los Angeles, CA 90012-3210<br><br>And of course, phone calls:<br><br>Telephone (213) 974-3512<br>Fax (213) 974-1484<br>TTY (800) 457-7778 (8:30am - 5:00pm M-F)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Whistleblower Charged w/ Three Felonies, Exposing Diebol

Postby marykmusic » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:35 pm

Is this covered by Black Box Voting? If not, it should be.<br><br>Whistleblowers are in a precarious position. They could be the salvation of our system, but first they need their day in court AND coverage in the media. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Whistleblower Charged w/ Three Felonies, Exposing Diebol

Postby Gouda » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:55 pm

Bev is on it and will update soon. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/19383.html">www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin...19383.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The Soby blog quotes her: <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The documents also look bad for Diebold's California lawyers, Jones Day. According to Bev Harris, author of the book Black Box Voting, the docs "provided evidence that the Jones Day law firm was helping Diebold to cover up the fact that they were installing uncertified software which, as it turns out, caused thousands of voters to be unable to vote just weeks later."<br><br>Bev Harris continues, "Jim March, another investigator for Black Box Voting, and I immediately took the documents to both the California Attorney General's office and to Kevin Shelley, who was then the California Secretary of State. Just days later, the secretary of state decertified Diebold." <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Whistleblower Charged w/ Three Felonies, Exposing Diebol

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:29 pm

Election Fraud is treason -- If treason was rigorously prosecuted as a hanging offense, the US would at least be nudged back towards the ideals of a democratic republic at least nominally under rule of law. As it is, money and power rules and the public has been encouraged to abdicate its civil obligations re: critical thinking, being reasonably well-informed and politically involved in the nation's leadership.<br><br>It thoroughly sickens (and outrages) me to see with what contempt the PTB dismiss and intimidate whistleblowers -- or as in this instance, criminalizing folks who speak-out about criminal fraud. Whistleblowers are perhaps the last, best hope for restoring principles of accountability and honest, honourable civil service. But from seeing how rampant abuse of power, fraud and corruption have become it's a short step to become thoroughly disenchanted with prospects for progressive reform.<br><br>It continually amazes me that the public for the most part seems so unaware and/or unconcerned that they've been lied to, cheated, defrauded, betrayed, victimized and disempowered by world-class swindlers, gangsters and racketeers who have essentially seized the reigns of political and economic power. No matter how hard I try to figure it out and understand the mechanism involved that has led to the present constitutional crisis and catastrophe of legitimacy in which elites perpetrate the most monstrous war crimes, financial scams, black-ops terrorism, genocide and war-profiteering and frauds in the 'name' of defending America and exporting democracy (and assorted 'other' BS), it still astounds me that people essentially allow themselves to be duped.<br><br>If I thought it would make a difference, I'd write letters and pester my Reps. But I think it's gonna take an American home-grown version of Bolivarian pot-bangers for citizens to restore democratic principles and reclaim their nation from the despots and thugs who have hijacked it.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby slimmouse » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:19 pm

<br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>No matter how hard I try to figure it out and understand the mechanism involved that has led to the present constitutional crisis and catastrophe of legitimacy in which elites perpetrate the most monstrous war crimes, financial scams, black-ops terrorism, genocide and war-profiteering and frauds in the 'name' of defending America and exporting democracy (and assorted 'other' BS), it still astounds me that people essentially allow themselves to be duped.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Starman. Heres my best guess;<br><br> 20,000 years ( minimum ) of experience.<br><br> I was advised recently to read a book called "The black Sun" by William Goodrick ( theres a name missing in the middle I think ).<br><br> From what I have been told, the author posits, that the 3rd Reich was actually a trial run.<br><br> And this time, its the real deal.<br><br> Looking 60 years back meanwhile,The initial political success of Nazism was based essentially upon whipping up 'Nationalism' coupled with <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>an almost complete control of the media.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br> Fast foreward 40 years to GHWs 'Artichoke'<br><br> Fast foreward another 20 years , and bingo.<br><br> I can dot the I's and cross the T's with regard to all of this.<br> But intelligent people with a true desire for learning can work it all out for themselves by looking at posts from people such as Antiaristo, Connut, and your good self Starman.<br><br> And of course, if you wish to indulge yourselves in a major cul de sac, you can alway follow "The Jews did it" card, and indulge yourselves in such associated distractions as are occasionally manifested in one form or another on this board.<br><br> On Edit;<br><br> You are of course right Gouda. Bush and his controllers havent won an election yet. We should NEVER forget that. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 2/27/06 5:37 pm<br></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby Gouda » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:07 am

Starman wrote: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If I thought it would make a difference, I'd write letters and pester my Reps. But I think it's gonna take an American home-grown version of Bolivarian pot-bangers for citizens to restore democratic principles and reclaim their nation from the despots and thugs who have hijacked it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Why not do both? Pressure reps, DAs etc with letters, calls, etc. (better chance it makes a small difference than doing nothing at all, no?) AND start to organize those pots, each according to her/his means. I wouldn't wait around for others to come around. People are apt to be inspired by those who set good examples, walk the walk. <br><br>Slim, I saw this primarily as an urgent whistleblower support and justice issue which has implications beyond electoral fraud, corruption. It is pretty much a foregone conclusion that Bush has not won an election, so we need to support every little step that chips away at the monstrosity behind this fact and the greater problem we have. Even if Gore or Kerry had won electorally, I would find them illegitimate too, 'cuz I tend to think that our electoral system, as a symptom of the whole system, is millions of people from being "democratic" or just. Whistleblowers are so damn important in the face of privilaged secrecy and pornographic wealth and massive hypocrisy - but they are nothing without our recognition and support. Silence is betrayal, and not very good music. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby Dreams End » Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:56 am

"We do not have enough votes to win this election."<br><br>John Kerry, (with a seemingly legitimately perplexed John Edwards looking on) explaining how it takes TWO candidates to have vote fraud happen. <br><br>I don't know exactly how to reconcile two versions of what's going on, which I think are both true. One is that Republicans are blatantly fixing elections. Not a controversial stand around this place.<br><br>The second is that the Dems are opposition in name only. Not only do they not fight vote fraud but they seem to actually pick candidates who are NOT oppositional to the basic agenda. I think there's evidence, for example, that the Clinton faction urged Wesley Clark to get in the race to siphon votes from Howard Dean, who, himself, is not nearly as progressive as his electoral persona became. And, of course, there's the little wink wink of Kerry also being a Boner.<br><br>But if they are in on it together in a sense, why bother fixing elections? Does this mean there is some actual factionalism among those at the top? Perhaps it's the "plunder now" elites vs. the "plan for the long-haul control of the world" elites? <br><br>Or is it that certain things were "necessary", such as Iraq (not the "bringing democracy" part, but the destroy the country part) and so some nasty guys were brought in to do the dirty work and then take the fall? <br>I can't figure it out. <br><br>To me, the Democratic version of world domination is so much safer for the elites. It looks "friendlier". The rhetoric is not as polarizing. While the agenda still serves a global corporate elite, it is better at pretending it doesn't, if that makes any sense. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby Gouda » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:21 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Perhaps it's the "plunder now" elites vs. the "plan for the long-haul control of the world" elites? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>One group is into guided reincarnation apparently. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>To me, the Democratic version of world domination is so much safer for the elites. It looks "friendlier". The rhetoric is not as polarizing. While the agenda still serves a global corporate elite, it is better at pretending it doesn't, if that makes any sense.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Does, does. I agree. Our bipartisan election-fixing plutocracy wins either way, but they probably have a normal taste for delicious impulse plundering - so they make sure the GOP wins to satiate those lustful fits needing instant gratification. After the binge, it's back to business with Democrats. <br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br>edit: one missspellling </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 2/28/06 9:24 am<br></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby Gouda » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:37 pm

Why bother fixing elections? Pesky, unpredictable people sometimes thwart their programs and actually swell beyond standard control. Thus it's like, damn, roll out the contingency plan! I really thought however that Bush had already made such a mess in his first 4 years that it really would be time to bring in the Kerry-Clark-Holbrooke cleanup crew...maybe there really was a coup in the elite realm, and Kerry knew he'd better take it with aplomb, or else... These speculations are fun, and the game may be fixed, but it may not be, so I try to keep myself motivated to do what I can. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:06 pm

Dream's End said:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But if they are in on it together in a sense, why bother fixing elections? Does this mean there is some actual factionalism among those at the top? Perhaps it's the "plunder now" elites vs. the "plan for the long-haul control of the world" elites?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Whenever I talk to my husband about my fears that power is concentrated in the hands of far too few, he usually responds that if things <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>were</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> controlled by an organized group of elites, things would be far better organized. He has a point.<br><br>Yet we see traces of evidence of power struggles at the top all the time, even if we don't see the struggles themselves. When political people leave their positions "to spend more time with their families," for one little example, I pretty much take it for granted that they were handed their hats.<br><br>I always figure that when we "discover" something that implicates a person in power, it's because that person just pissed off the wrong other person in power. The pissed-off person in power allowed the "discovery" to happen. Or caused it to be discovered. Or planned the whole thing in the beginning. <br><br>It seems like a big ol' mess at the top. Whoever the elite might be (and actually I don't doubt their existence for a moment), because of their nature--probably human--they're not perfect. We know they're greedy SOBs right out of the gate, for one thing; for another, we know they like not only to exercise power but also to retain it at all costs. It seems reasonable to expect that they're going to be at each other's throats all the time.<br><br>Imagine if Apple and Microsoft were bought out by a single buyer, who has the goal to get every last person on earth to buy a computer. This buyer's a hand-off type of person, not a micro-manager at all, so the buyer leaves most of the day-to-day decisions to executives--who approach the goal from two nearly diametrically opposed camps.<br><br>How would they work together to reach the common goal? Would they work together at all? Would they superficially work together then secretly undermine each other when possible? Would they try to compromise when possible? Would they just do their own thangs? Or all of the above, depending upon who's filling the executive positions on any given day?<br><br>I got really, really involved with the 2004 election and trying to detect fraud. Eventually, looking at Kerry's statements and actions after the election, I came to the conclusion that it was <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>possible</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> he'd had his own counter-rigging scheme going on and he didn't want it inadvertently revealed in a close investigation of Bush-directed rigging. <br><br>So the whole 2004 nightmare: was it good guys vs. bad guys? Was it Mac vs. Windows? Or was it bear vs. shark? <br><br>Does it matter? Bottom line is that we will never, ever be able to trust an election again, as long as we rely upon our current system of vote counting. Even most of the changes that have been proposed seem like a putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. I mean, yeah, I guess they'd make us feel like we've done something concrete, so that's good.<br><br>Why bother fixing elections? Good question. Maybe each party has its team of riggers/hackers, and it's really a race between who can hack more successfully and less detectably. Or maybe these guys are like the guys you see at work: clearly they hate each other, they try to make the other look bad whenever they can, but ultimately they both want to keep their jobs. <br><br>Just because their jobs are running the world doesn't mean they're all that much different from anyone else. Evil, yeah, but still human. Probably. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby Gouda » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:59 pm

The latest on Stephen Heller...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/19615.html">www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin...19615.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hello everyone, this is Michele Gregory, Stephen Heller's wife. Once again, Stephen and I thank you for all of your help and support. Your encouragement and kind words have been invaluable to us in this very difficult and frightening time.<br><br>As you know, Stephen has been charged with some very serious crimes for allegedly blowing the whistle on Diebold Election Systems. He has pleaded innocent to all charges. He needed the very best legal defense, but criminal defense attorneys are very expensive. So far, starting in August of 2004, we have covered Stephen's legal bills with our personal savings and by taking a second mortgage on our house. Our savings are now gone, and our credit is strained.<br><br>And so, with the help of some friends, I have started the Stephen Heller Legal Defense Fund and corresponding website. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hellerlegaldefensefund.com/">www.hellerlegaldefensefund.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>-and-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/ci_3597037">www.insidebayarea.com/oak...ci_3597037</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>E-vote case puts actor in limelight - Diebold software leak makes whistle-blower a folk hero to activists</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>By Ian Hoffman, STAFF WRITER<br>Inside Bay Area<br>One night early in 2004, a few weeks before the presidential primary, a Van Nuys actor making ends meet temping as a word processor listened on headphones as a young lawyer laid out a defense for Diebold Election Systems Inc.'s use of unapproved voting software in Alameda County.<br><br>Sitting at a computer terminal on the 45th floor of a Los Angeles skyscraper, Steve Heller transcribed the lawyer's taped memo suggesting that Diebold could claim the software was a new, "experimental" voting system, even though it had handled two Alameda County elections in 2003.<br><br>Heller led a quiet life in the San Fernando Valley with his wife, dog and an occasional supporting role in film, TV or commercials, usually cast as someone's neighbor or dad, which is what he looks like. He was an "experienced and competent" word processor but no "heavyweight" in the eyes of his night-shift supervisor, who doubted Heller knew his computer commands were recorded.<br><br>Heller is a self-confessed "news junkie." In an interview, he declined to talk about the case but said, "I would not describe myself at all as an activist" on electronic voting or anything else.<br><br>Yet the night after hearing the Diebold defense proposal, according to investigators who recreated his actions from computer logs, Heller went back to work inside the word processing center at the law firm Jones Day and began printing every document he could access that its attorneys had created for Diebold — 107 memos, charts, actions plans and e-mails.<br><br>One memo warned that Die-bold could be prosecuted for illegally handling votes on Election Day. In a draft letter, Jones Day attorneys studiously avoided telling California elections officials of Diebold changes in a voting system component that ended up failing in presidential elections. In one e-mail, Jones Day advised Diebold of the need for sweeping civil and criminal defenses, billed at up to $450,000 a month.<br><br>In a meeting in a Ventura County park, the documents landed in the hands of Diebold's most vociferous critics at BlackBoxVoting.org. From there, some were faxed to a documentary filmmaker for attempted hand-delivery to then-California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley in Manhattan.<br><br>The Oakland Tribune reported on the memos, and almost overnight they appeared on Web sites from Washington to California to New Zealand, then elsewhere. Two weeks later, Shelley withdrew his earlier approval of Diebold's flagship touchscreen voting system, calling the firm's behavior "fraudulent" and "despicable." It took more than two years and numerous improvements before Diebold again could sell its electronic-voting products in California.<br><br>Heller himself remained largely unknown until two weeks ago when the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office charged him with a computer crime, second-degree burglary and receiving stolen goods — offenses carrying up to four years in prison — and propelled him to folk hero status among voting reform advocates, computer scientists and critics of electronic voting.<br><br>The case poses the value of whistleblowing about an industry that zealously guards its secrets and counts the nation's vote against a bedrock principle of the legal profession, the sanctity of confidentiality that allows clients to share their troubles with their lawyer.<br><br>Publication of Jones Day's confidential Diebold work, firm lawyers told investigators, was "a grievous violation" that damaged a top 25 client worth millions of dollars a year in billings.<br><br>The Electronic Frontier Foundation and some leaders of the Association of Computer Machinists, the nation's oldest group of computer engineers and scientists, are seeking pro-bono defense for Heller.<br><br>"He found evidence that the problems that people were complaining about, and that Diebold was belittling, were real and that Diebold was skirting the rules," said EFF legal director Cindy Cohn.<br><br>"I think people are really heartsick," she said. "This is a guy who the people of California should be thanking and yet he's facing litigation titled 'People vs. Heller.'"<br><br>Protest e-mails and phone calls have been pouring into the offices of the Los Angeles district attorney, most of them from outside California.<br><br>Bev Harris, founder of BlackBoxVoting.org, set up a legal defense fund for Heller, starting with $10,000 of $76,000 that she and colleague Jim March received from Diebold as part of a $2.5 million settlement of a lawsuit alleging the firm used false claims to get its machines approved and sold in California.<br><br>Harris told investigators that she met Heller in a Ventura County park and was handed 500 pages of documents. She told this newspaper that she was asked to "get them to the right place."<br><br>"He's really one of the purest whistleblowers I've ever met. He's never one of the people who looked for any attention or any gain in any way. His only concern was for protection of voters and the vote," Harris said.<br><br>Heller is being prosecuted for offenses similar to those that the California State Bar tried in 2002 to exempt from its own ethics rules, at least for government attorneys. The state Legislature also approved a similar whistleblower measure that year for government attorneys.<br><br>Both bodies approved measures freeing government lawyers to report "serious misconduct" if unaddressed in their own organizations.<br><br>"This rule, we think, is the best possible rule," said State Bar governor Ann Ravel of San Jose. The amendment "will be helpful to public lawyers."<br><br>But the Supreme Court found the new rule conflicted with state statute and rejected it, and then-Gov. Gray Davis vetoed the Legislature's change to the statute.<br><br>"While this bill is well intended, it chips away at the attorney-client relationship which is intended to foster candor between an attorney and client," Davis said in his veto message. "The effective operation of our legal system depends on the fundamental duty of confidentiality owed by lawyers to their clients."<br><br>Jones Day lawyers in charge of the internal investigation identified Heller as their chief suspect and pressed the district attorney's office for prosecution, beginning in July 2004.<br><br>John Majoris, a Jones Day partner in Washington who manages the firm relationship with Diebold, told investigators that Diebold was a "pillar client," ranking in the top 25, often top 10 for billings, amounting to "millions of dollars each year for legal services."<br><br>"Jones Day was fearful that Diebold was going to fire Jones Day due to the compromise of the documents," a D.A.'s investigator wrote in summarizing his interview with Majoris. "This will cost Jones Day more than $1,000,000 in fees refunded to Diebold."<br><br>Daniel McMillan, a Jones Day partner who led the Diebold casework in California, told investigators the impact of the compromise of the documents was "devastating" and a "grievous violation" of attorney-client confidentiality.<br><br>"He now has a hard time trusting others at working, including both contractors and other Jones Day employees," the investigator wrote. "McMillan's 20-year legal career is in jeopardy due to the act of the criminal who was working at Jones Day."<br><br>Attorneys for the California Attorney General's Office and the Secretary of State said the documents did not influence their actions regarding Diebold, nor did they see Jones Day's conduct as unethical.<br><br>California has some of the strongest whistleblower laws in the nation, but none apply to criminal acts.<br><br>A whistleblowing defense boils down to an argument of necessity — one had no choice but to commit the crime — and "it rarely works as a defense," said Laurie Levenson, a former prosecutor who teaches criminal law and legal ethics at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.<br><br>"He may have the best motivations but that's not necessarily an excuse to violate the law," Levenson said. "This is really called stealing. Even when people have a good motive, it can still be a crime."<br><br>Attorney-client confidentiality is considered sacrosanct and can be broken only when a lawyer believes the disclosure would prevent a violent crime, according to Stephen Bundy, who teaches legal ethics at Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law.<br><br>"The employee, if they're properly contracted, would have the same obligations," Bundy said.<br><br>The evidence gathered by the district attorney's investigators includes a copy of Jones Day's confidentiality agreement, signed by Heller on Feb. 11, 2004. By then, it appears, Heller had been working in the firm's offices, handling its documents, for more than five weeks. Computer logs say someone working his hours at his terminal printed documents two more times before Heller left Jones Day.<br><br>"Here there was whistleblowing on the client, and since he's an employee, he takes on the obligations of the lawyer," said University of San Diego legal ethics professor Fred Zacharias, an expert on attorney-client confidentiality rules in California. "You can see why the rules have to be that way because otherwise lawyers have to operate without support staff. The moment you get into disclosing clients' secrets you get into problems, then your rights are limited, just like the lawyer's."<br><br>Heller's case could ride on jury nullification — on finding at least one like-minded juror willing to set aside the law.<br><br>"It may help him in terms of jury sympathy if he can get this in front of a jury," said Loyola's Levenson, "because sometimes jurors decide they like a defendant more than they like the law or the victims."<br><br>At dawn Friday the 13th of August 2004, Heller and his wife Michele awoke to someone pounding on the front of his house and ringing the bell. Ten police officers and investigators confronted him with shouted demands for a search.<br><br>"I couldn't believe it. I thought it must be a mistake," he said. "I kept thinking they had the wrong house, that they were after someone else ... It was just very frightening, it was so surreal."<br><br>The agents seized his address book listing Bev Harris as a contact. His computer contained bookmarks to voting Web sites, as well as the document postings, plus a letter about electronic voting and an e-mail that they said "boasted" of taking the documents.<br><br>Heller declined to answer the agents' questions and hired Blair Berk, a Harvard-trained defense lawyer. He was fired from the temp agency. Legal fees exhausted the couple's personal savings, and they took out a second mortgage.<br><br>"I have a lot of confidence that ultimately I'll be given a chance to defend myself. I just hope I'll be able to do that without losing my house," he said. "It's strange to be under this scrutiny from authorities and other people who are interested. It's uncomfortable. I just want to book some (acting) work now and then, go to my day job and have my little life with my wife and dog."<br><br>"For what he's alleged to have done, there was nothing in it for him," filmmaker and friend Peter Soby Jr. wrote last week on Huffington Post. "No financial gain (in fact a serious financial loss, because he got fired from his job, and he's had to pay 10s of thousands of dollars to his lawyers, and owes them 10s of thousands more). And he's now at risk of over 3 years in state prison. It's insane."<br><br>Officials at the district attorney's office say Heller has no criminal record and probably would get probation if convicted. But he would lose his right to vote.<br><br>Contact Ian Hoffman at ihoffman@angnewspapers.com.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby Gouda » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:13 pm

Umm, <br><br>"Officials at the district attorney's office say Heller has no criminal record and probably would get probation if convicted. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But he would lose his right to vote.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->" <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby marykmusic » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:25 pm

That bit about losing his right to vote... that's really adding insult to injury, isn't it? --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 20,000 years of experience

Postby NewKid » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:14 am

Dreams End said:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>To me, the Democratic version of world domination is so much safer for the elites. It looks "friendlier". The rhetoric is not as polarizing. While the agenda still serves a global corporate elite, it is better at pretending it doesn't, if that makes any sense. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is the big question isn't it? It makes perfect sense and is the reason why many thought Bush was out the door in 04. But it didn't work out that way. So we're pretty sure there are factions. In fact, it would be truly bizarre if there weren't. But why did Kerry do so poorly in the campaign? It's not just that Bush rigged the election, Kerry ran a horrible, terrible campaign. They didn't go after the Swift guys, and they could have. I don't just mean earlier and I mean really go after them. There was a bunch of stuff that was easy to find about them and they didn't do it. They didn't have surrogates do it. <br><br>Hard to say for sure, but it was so bad you have to at least ask about point shaving. He dropped the ball at every turn. So we're pretty sure we don't trust Kerry and the mainstream Dems. And the entire liberal blogosphere has been scratching its head everyday trying to figure out why the Dems are so bad and sabotaging themselves on every major issue right now. Nobody has a good answer. Bob Shrum getting 15% on media buys isn't an answer. Pleasing Tweety and Pumpkinhead isn't the answer. <br><br>Now one explanation is blackmail. When they say the whitehouse puts 'enormous pressure' on senators, what could that be? Well, it could be withholding party funds or WH support in an election battle or any number of other things. Or it could mean they have dirt on everybody and that could easily get out. It's highly unlikely key senators and congressman in the party structure would ever get tapped into any serious vessel of power without being blackmailable. From their perspective that would be a pretty stupid thing to do and all. So that has to be considered. <br><br>You also have to remember how anesthetized these guys who are in washington are to normal shit. What they see all the time is so corrupt, such a disneyland of fraud, that we all don't necessarily see, that even if they were good people to start, they're not now. And that assumes they weren't sociopaths when they came to Washington, something we can't always assume. <p></p><i></i>
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Just wanted to say this to Starman Skye:

Postby HMKGrey » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:32 am

I really liked your brief and to the point summation of what I personally find the most singularly depressing and repugnant thing about this whole escalating mess we're in: the apparent calm and willingness of so many of my own intelligent, even compassionate and informed friends. I cannot explain it. It keeps me up nights. <br><br>I have one very good friend - a child of Berkeley professors, as 'left' and 'radical' as they come in every 'traditional' sense of the words, who basically looks at me with both scorn and pity if I should ever even begin to preamble towards the types of subjects we discuss here... Even the merest utterance of LIHOP or MIHOP drops from my lips like so much childish jabber in his presence, never mind the more esoteric stuff. <br><br>But my experience with this person has, I think, taught me something and, had I the time, I would be scouring some of those histories of the third reich looking for a corrolation because I feel sure that it must be there. The problem I see with this friend and in lighter shades elsewhere is a rock solid sense that he himself cannot possibly be conned by the government. He has faith in institutions (The NYT, The Atlantic Monthly... whatever it is that shapes his world view) and while he is prepared, albeit reluctantly, to accept that these institutions might - just might - lie to him he is galddened of heart and ennobled of spirit by the absolute, rock solid conviction that he is too smart, too connected and too damn clever for ANY government to pull off what you and I might red-facedly call 'the big lie'. <br><br>He knows he can be lied to. He knows he can be tricked. But he also thinks in the core of his being that he will know it when it comes. He will see it, his ilk will see it, and the justice of superior intellect and humanity will be done. <br><br>And there you have so much of the problem. <br><br>Americans are fucked because the small number of institutions they've come to rely on to protect them in the face of evil in the past are no longer relevant or paying attention. It's not the US ARmy that protected them. It was whistleblowers and writers, real journalists and the democratizing power of TV and mass media. But they're all gone now. And, sadly, desperately sadly, even the old smart as a whip, intellectual middle class who knew how to stand up to shit when it hit the fan... even they're gone too now. And yes, some of it is that they're gone, sucked in to their Charles Schwab lifestyles and teh sheer hugeness of the middleclass with its property ownership etc... but the real truth, the bit that hurts and fucks us all this time around is the fact that the middle class have stopped thinking they're vulnerable. <br><br>And I'd bet dollars to a penny that the same thing happened in early thirties Germany where all the smart money was on IT NEVER HAPPENNING... with IT defined by each social groups bigegst collective fear. But it did happen. All of it. <br><br>I hope at least some of that makes sense. Just changed my meds so I'm not 100% with it right now. <br><br>The other thing of course is to remember what Kierkegaard said, about how life was utterly terrifying if one ever really gave it proper thought and how insanity was probably treating life as if it was anything but a complete and utter horror show from start to finish. <br><br>I'd auger too that your friends, my friends, the lost, lost American people are probably playing out a scenario that was oddly and crystally clear to Mr K. <br><br>Maybe, we're beyond the thunderdome already and maybe we, here on this board, out in our communities, may be we're already the survivors. All that's left. <br><br>In that case, I hold out my hand in freindship and in hope. <br><br>Respectfully,<br><br>HMKGrey <p></p><i></i>
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