Fitzgerald on the TheoCons trail that sold the US on war?:

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Fitzgerald on the TheoCons trail that sold the US on war?:

Postby emad » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:04 pm

Andrew Sullivan's Sunday Times piece yesterday:<br><br>Bush and his favourite Brain are drifting apart<br>Andrew Sullivan<br> <br> <br> <br>Whatever happened to Bush’s brain? No, this isn’t some lame joke for BBC reporters. It’s a question about the ideological rudder of George W Bush’s presidency, Karl Rove. It was Rove who crafted the new Republican majority in America: that of a religiously centred party dedicated to steering the largesse of bigger government to its own faith-based and corporate constituencies. <br><br>It was Rove who used the war to marginalise fiscal conservatives alarmed at spending and libertarian conservatives worried about civil liberties. It was Rove who forged a difficult alliance between a growing conservative intelligentsia and evangelical Protestant voters. <br><br> <br>It was Rove who decided that a wartime president, rather than seeking national unity, should use the war as a means to drive a wedge into the Democrats and consolidate his own supporters. It was Rove who was the architect of a 51% strategy of playing to the party base, and expanding it, especially among blacks and Latinos, rather than reaching out to the centre. <br><br>So how, one wonders, did Rove approve of the nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court? In one move the president has divided the Republican coalition. Washington’s conservative chattering class has blown its top over what it sees as cronyism, mediocrity and ideological incoherence. For that matter, how did Rove let Bush appear so feckless during the Katrina fiasco? <br><br>Bush’s approval rating among African-Americans is now, in one poll, at 2%. Bush’s remaining loyalists are now at war with each other — and we have a month before Miers faces the Senate committee. Whatever else this is, it isn’t political finesse. <br><br>There are two plausible interpretations for Rove presiding over such a mess; but they’re not mutually exclusive. The first is that Rove has never been as good a political tactician as his enemies fear he is. Rove’s signature contributions during the election — using gay marriage as a wedge issue and helping raise questions about John Kerry’s war record — might have made a difference in a state or two, but they were more like student-politician dirty tricks than a brilliant long-term strategy. <br><br>The decision to junk fiscal discipline and let the Republicans feed even more voraciously than Democrats at the government trough is also beginning to look a little less shrewd in retrospect. <br><br>Rove’s key strategic decision after the last election to spend all of Bush’s political capital on social security reform was an unmitigated disaster. The reform went nowhere and the president’s ratings continued to sink. The current unravelling should therefore be seen as simply an end to Bush’s long run of good luck. And Rove was never that good to start with. <br><br>The second explanation is that Rove is distracted. Hanging over Washington is a zealous prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, who has spent months getting to the root of who might have leaked the identity of Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative. <br><br>The information may well have been released as a way to smear Plame’s husband, Joseph Wilson, who had attacked the credibility of the White House’s case for war against Saddam Hussein. The tactic smells of Rove — and it also happens to be against the law. <br><br>Rove has now appeared before a grand jury several times. The prosecutor is no wimp. He has already sent a journalist at The New York Times to jail for refusing to disclose sources. The scope of his investigation suggests it might involve more than just a single, perhaps unwitting, crime. It might get into the core of the group that sold the country on the Iraq war. It’s enough to give Rove the jitters — even if, as is still quite possible, he is cleared of wrongdoing. <br><br>Worse: Rove’s two key allies in Washington are also in trouble. The man who controls the small Republican majority in the House of Representatives, Tom DeLay, has just been indicted twice for allegedly evading Texas campaign finance laws and “money-laundering” campaign donations. He received a nasty subpoena for phone records and other information last week, and has had to quit his post just while his president is on the skids. Last Thursday the Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, was also subpoenaed by the Securities and Exchange Commission and ordered to hand over documents related to charges of insider trading. <br><br>Could Bush survive without Rove? Once unthinkable, Washington’s chatterers now talk of it incessantly. If leaders of the religious right in the Senate, such as Sam Brownback of Kansas and George Allen of Virginia, vote against Miers, it will put Rove in a spot. <br><br>For the record, Rove told one of his mouthpieces in the media last week that he was “not merely enthusiastic, but adamant and even vehement” in support of the nomination of Miers. It’s also true that many second-term presidents have been this unpopular before, some of them more so, and also mired in scandal. The president’s position, in other words, is far from unprecedented. But that makes Rove’s inability to staunch the post-Katrina, post-Miers bleeding on the Republican right all the more striking. <br><br>Which leads to a third possibility. Is Bush quietly unmooring himself from Rove and Rove from Bush? The Miers pick, in particular, does not strike me as a Rove-like decision. It smacks much more of the Bush family’s exercise of its own dynastic prerogatives. <br><br>Muddying the waters further, an anonymous Republican source told The Washington Post on Friday: “My sense is Karl knows he has spent a lot of political capital with the president on this CIA leak case. No matter how close Karl is to the president, there is a limit to how much capital you can spend even with a close, close friend.” <br><br>Translation: don’t blame Karl for Harriet. <br><br>That sounds like distancing to me. If Rove is indicted for an illegal leak, his White House role will be over. If he isn’t indicted, but comes out of the Plame affair with a distinct whiff of sleaze around him, the president will have to choose either to fire him or live with him. That decision may well tell us more about the future of this administration than anything since its re-election. And it may help explain a lot about its recent past as well.<br> <br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1827433,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/new...33,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Fitzgerald on the TheoCons trail that sold the US on war

Postby dbeach » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:00 pm

"Which leads to a third possibility. Is Bush quietly unmooring himself from Rove and Rove from Bush? The Miers pick, in particular, does not strike me as a Rove-like decision. It smacks much more of the Bush family’s exercise of its own dynastic prerogatives"<br><br>sullivan is a rightie shill and sounds like the next article will be bush is OK and it was kkkarls fault.<br><br>However there is merit to this and of course the bush dynasty is of huge significance to poppy o.<br> and his cia/nazi gang is aways willing to knock over another nation and loot their treasury.<br><br>what happens when there are no more nations left to be looted??? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Fitzgerald on the TheoCons trail that sold the US on war

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:40 pm

Hey, Sullivan has guts. Sullivan is a conservative, gay writer for Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times. Remember Moon, who called gays "dung-eating dogs"? To be both conservative AND work for Moon must mean that Sullivan has an iron stomach to swallow all that crap. I like to check in on his articles, respect what he has to say as a moderate conservative.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Fitzgerald on the TheoCons trail that sold the US on war

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:18 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Which leads to a third possibility. Is Bush quietly unmooring himself from Rove and Rove from Bush? The Miers pick, in particular, does not strike me as a Rove-like decision. It smacks much more of the Bush family’s exercise of its own dynastic prerogatives"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Nah, Miers is the result of Bush's laziness. Screening all the good candidates is a lot of work, so why not go with some attorney he is personally acquainted with? Bush never had a real job until he became governor. Expect to see more of this during the rest of his term, especially if Rove isn't present to do the dirty for him. Afterall, there is nothing to motivate him now to perform, is there, being this is his last term? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/17/05 9:21 pm<br></i>
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miers is chum

Postby wrench in the machine » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:26 pm

to bring out every possible complaint with bush nominations. once she is shouted down, he brings out the real nominee. one who has bite and vitriol and is so fascist it will make your head spin. but by then, the public will be so nauseated with the last round of outcries, there will be no momentum to dissaprove, nor the will to. heh. chess indeed... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: miers is chum

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:29 pm

Well, actually, I suspect there will be little trouble from the Dems. She will pass. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: miers is chum

Postby Col Quisp » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:31 pm

Rove is a toad. It will be funny to see him frog march. <p></p><i></i>
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Miers is chum

Postby rapt » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:16 pm

Chig: "...more of this during the rest of his term, especially if Rove isn't present to do the dirty for him."<br><br>I am hopeful that this period can be measured in days. Word on the street is that the dub's days are limited. Do you expect Cheney to roll for him? Would Karl do that? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Miers is chum

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:23 pm

Cheney, roll for Bush? The effort would kill him. To roll, or not to roll, that is the question. Or...to die, or not to die, that is the question. <p></p><i></i>
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To roll or not to roll...

Postby rapt » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:56 pm

On second thought Chigger, it is really a moot point. Other word on the street is that evidence against Cheney, Bush, all of them, has been in the bag for months, and Fitz has been so slow only because he DEFINITELY needs an airtight case.<br><br>I'm sure Dick and all the rest of them know this very well by now. Goddam - (looking left and right) - no way out. Sheeeeit - what happened?<br><br>Answer: You flaunted the law MF. Whaddya expect? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: To roll or not to roll...

Postby dbeach » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:10 am

RAPT<br><br>MAY U Stand with the prophets..<br><br>keeping in mind that the bush/cheney indicted story broke on 8/2/05 to cheers and more jeers..<br><br>not such a fantasy anymore..Bill Kristol who is a HUGE<br> neo-con insider is saying rove and libby will be indicted..<br><br>MAYBE the neo-cons are thinking that the bush treachery goes ultimately in one direction which is the combined sell out and enslavement of the USA and Israel..<br><br>Its certainly criminal gangs competing for the prizes with more viciousness and cunning than hitler or al capone could even think of.. <p></p><i></i>
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Another one for Fitzie to unravel:Thatcher's Repuke protogee

Postby emad » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:01 am

and current Tory Party leadership contender, David Cameron:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/mpdb/img/53302.jpg">news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared.../53302.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Currently in the UK news because he refuses to answer straight questions about his recreational drug use, merely saying he 'made mistakes when at university'....and is pitching himself as the next Tory Party leader and prospective future UK PM after Blair.<br><br>But his whole persona is a 100% Repuke whitewash. He is a Thatcher/Reagan/Bush1 mercenary who has been groomed to take up their mantle when Poodle's spin machine finally runs out and the UK spooks are no longer playing ball with the CIA over cold war crimes covered up to spare Barbara Bush's blushes...never mind Betty & Phil Battenberg and the entire godawful Windsor charade...<br><br>Nothing in Cameron's official biography mentions that he was adopted at birth nor that he is Dick Cheney's natural son by a Cuban/Russian teenager called Irene Duarte, niece of Augusto Pinochet, conceived and spawned in the UK. <br><br>Duarte has lived in the UK for the last 40-odd years - in Liverpool and Ireland - under a series of ID theft names. Now 55, she was for many years a key member of the Communist Party of Great Britain (until they threw her out after finding our about her Polish Fascist Party affiliations) and has convictions for theft, fraud, embezzlement connected with money laundering of stolen assets that ended up in the Banco Ambrosiano pot, and related financial offences.<br><br>She gave the baby up for adoption as soon as he was born in October 1966 and re-invented herself several times into a new ID as a community worker specialising in urban regeneration. The UK's Defence Intelligence Monitor has referred to her several times in connection to follow-up reports of the Profumo scandal trial where call girls Mandy Rice Davis and Christine Keeler brought down theTory Minister for War after proving he was embroiled with the Soviet Defence Attache in London and involved in trafficking military secrets to both Cuba and Eastern Bloc countries......<br><br>Back to Thatcher's blue-eyed protegee: In 1989/1990 Cameron was rushed off to an Arizona rehab to finally deal with his heroin and cocaine addiction. This was paid for by Cheney in a series of elaborate and creative funding schemes that Thatcher engineered from the UK including direct 'charitable donations' to the rehab in return for treatment/silence . This fact came out in court in the UK in 1992 when Cameron was eventually acquitted of fraud charges when a 'mysterious benefactor' paid off his drug debts and did a deal with the prosecution, following Thatcher's personal intervention.<br><br>While in rehab - some ten weeks at $5,000 a week - Cameron admitted that he had financed his four year narcotic binge through a series of chequebook frauds, credit card scams and dud loans taken out in the name of fictitious chums who he'd registered as bona fide voters in the London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea electoral register as well as in rural Oxfordshire.<br><br>Now all that's behind him and he's bidding for the Tory leadership, smugly content that no one remembers of bothers to mention either his pedigree or his drug/felony past.<br><br>And Thatcher continues her macabre plea-bargain immunity from prosecution, knowing that with Dumbass in the White House and Poodle in No 10, it's gonna take a military coup d'etat for her to face jusitce.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Another Thatcher whitewash:

Postby emad » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:28 am

Investment banker Robin Saunders:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://globalfire.tv/nj/graphs/robin_saunders.jpg">globalfire.tv/nj/graphs/r...unders.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Another Thatcher protogee. <br><br>She is the natural daughter of Tom Delay, and her glittering banking careeer was smoothed and prepared by Thatcher and her admirers in the City of London.<br><br>Thatcher was recently interviewed by UK cops regarding Delay's Texas indictment on fraud.<br><br>Since 1994 she has looked after Saunders and gave her references that paved for her accepting a £seven figure+ salary at the UK's WestLB.<br><br>Saunders's career peaked when she provided the finance package that enabled Philip Green purchase UK retailer BHS. Since then his personal stake in the rag trade empire has swelled to over £3.5billion.<br><br>But his fortune is entirely down to fraud and embezzlement that was started by Victor Hwang at Goldman Sachs in London.<br><br>Green is another cold-war ID theft plant. He real name is Mouverde and he is a son of Lily Safra's former Brazilian husband, the one who suicided himself, just before she married Edmond Safra, by shooting himself TWICE in the head when obviously 'very depressed'.....<br><br>Saunders's career has since suffered a few setbacks: see Telegraph story from two years ago:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2003/09/28/ccrobin28.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/09/28/ixopright.html">www.opinion.telegraph.co....right.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=emad@rigorousintuition>emad</A> at: 10/18/05 9:28 am<br></i>
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