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Re: and there's this from Joe Conason

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:14 pm

skip fox (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-05-05 03:05 PM<br>Original message <br>Timing of prosecutor's report/indictments in outing CIA operative Plame. <br> <br>The WH is obviously trying to find out when Fitzgerald will wind up his investigation, which can occur anytime between now and the end of October. It doesn't take a genius to realize that they are speaking to everyone they can, even those marginally involved in the investigation (i.e., clerks, janitors, caterers, secretaries--everyone in a large organization knows that one needs to project and request use of space and services) since trying to maneuver in the political environment following the report and/or indictments, every bit of intelligence would help the administrative operatives in terms of timing and news cycles would be of profound interest. <br><br>Thus, we might watch the WH for signs of bracing or attempting to create a diversion (a Renquist retirement?, military stare-down with Iran?). And it might be useful for us to keep the story "primed" until then in order to deflect the administration's attempts to downplay or obscure the conclusions of the prosecutor.<br><br>Today Joe Conason speculated (on The Al Franken Show) that Novak's abrupt departure yesterday from the CNN talk show was due to his apprehension (and thus possible knowledge) that something was about to happened. Conason speculated that somne of his testimony might conflict with that of others (thus opening HIM to perjury?), but it may be signs that the investigation is nearing its end and that multiple indictments are possible.<br><br><br>I think, in fact, that Rove may receive at least 2 indictments and others will receive at least one apiece. The numbers of leakers (original sources) and officials needed for confirmation of the story MILITATES planning. We know that there were 6 reported contacts or original sources (John Dean says 6; we know of three: Rove, Libby, and Miller's source who will not specifically release her from her confidentiality agreement) and multiple (3-4) confirming sources, it becomes apparent what occurred. One administrative official discovered the Plame-Wilson-Niger relationship, took it to the White House Iraq Group, turned it over to Rove, who on the spot assigned tasks to different primary leakers/sources assuring no source called another source's contact (so as not to appear too eager), that no source's "pitch" was exactly the same but that their information was all given in an "off hand" manner (e.g., "Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt").<br><br>To have 6 calls from 3 leakers is an indication of a coordinated endeavor. If there were the 6 leakers as Dean claims would make the case even more damning. But also consider the planning necessary to have enough confirming sources. Unsure of who the reporters may call to confirm, someone would have to make sure at least 2 other officials were ready and willing to confirm if called.<br><br>Therefore a master-mind would have been necessary to coordinate all these calls and confirmations (as many as 11 as was storied last week).<br><br>They would have gone to Rove immediately and he, probably in an emergency of the White House Iraq Group, assigned the roles, the stories and the stances, etc. <br><br>So he not only leaked by was the mastermind of a conspiracy to leak. <br><br>We can only hope he lead a cover-up and committed perjury as well.<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1988187">www.democraticunderground...32x1988187</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: and there's this from Joe Conason

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:24 pm

nice catch....can't wait till the truth squad shows up .... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 8/5/05 3:34 pm<br></i>
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Grand Jury

Postby professorpan » Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:03 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Anti- thank you for seeing and articulatiing the bigger picture here. I know there are many here who want to see this not be true., and inject negativity into the debate..<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Ono, that is ridiculous. I doubt there is anyone who posts here who wouldn't love to see the entire neocon cabal rounded up on leg irons and marched into prison.<br><br>You, and others, equate those who feel Skolnick et al. are full of shit to Bush lovers. And that's just plain wrong.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>For all of Skolnick , Flocco and Heneghan's many faults. <br>I hardly see them making a rookie mistake like making a claim of a Chicago grand jury if there weren't one.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>He's made plenty of wrong claims in the past. You say he "claims to be the most successful court reformer in the U.S." So what? He can claim he walked on the moon if he wants -- that doesn't make it so.<br><br>And Heneghan has peddled vast amounts of garbage. I don't know how anyone can believe a single word the man says.<br><br>Ruppert and Madsen may be onto something, or they may be engaging in regurgitation and wishful speculation. We don't know.<br><br>But please realize that others can disagree with your beliefs and not be actively trying to squash the truth. <p></p><i></i>
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You are all famous!

Postby dbeach » Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:53 pm

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You are all famous!

Postby dbeach » Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:56 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/home.html">www.franklyspeakingradio.com/home.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Frankly speaking has this thread and luvs the Sweejak photos of bushfraud<br><br><br><br>More universal wisdom from the Profesor.Well said!!<br><br>"But please realize that others can disagree with your beliefs and not be actively trying to squash the truth. " <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Grand Jury

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:00 pm

.<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ono, that is ridiculous. I doubt there is anyone who posts here who wouldn't love to see the entire neocon cabal rounded up on leg irons and marched into prison.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'll respectfully disagree with you on this one...and as for you personally, I have never pegged you as one of the above who'd like to see Bushco stay. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You, and others, equate those who feel Skolnick et al. are full of shit to Bush lovers. And that's just plain wrong.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>contrary to what you may think , I'm well aware of the C&D crews' shortcomings. To think they should be the be'all end'all<br>source of info on these leak proceedings would be insane. However, I am of the mind that there is more to these latest revelations than the initial debunkers would want me to believe. Everyone has the right to be skeptical..But this is hardly the first time these questions of indictments has arisen . It's been a few days , and no-one has come through with definitive proof their allegations are false... and I have seen a lot of unsubstatiated debunking from parties I know for a fact are <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>not</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Bushco-Lovers. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>He's made plenty of wrong claims in the past. You say he "claims to be the most successful court reformer in the U.S." So what? He can claim he walked on the moon if he wants -- that doesn't make it so.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>If you have the proof he has not been intimately involved with court reform in the Chicago district. I'd be interested in that...<br><br>I only brought up the point because the debunkers are claiming the DC GJ is the only one. Why would Skolnick lend his name to such an outlandish claim that he knew not to be true?..it makes no sense all...The C&D crew has claimed for months now , that there are multiple grand juries , each placed in a different locations around the country.. I for one, am not so quick to dismiss the possibilty of a Chicago GJ in the false column. After all, it is the base for the prosecutor.<br><br> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But please realize that others can disagree with your beliefs and not be actively trying to squash the truth.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I do realize this...But what I don't understand is what the determined negativity accomplishes. furnishing proof the claims are false is one thing...but this thread is over 100 posts long now and I've yet to see it. <br>Just the same as Flocco has yet to prove his claims...and that is about where it stands....And either way it "Pans" out<br>you can be sure there will be a battle for minds once the findings are finally released. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Grand Jury

Postby robertdreed » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:27 pm

Like I say, I've got a case of beer for Tom Flocco if he turns out to be right, for dogging him unfairly on this affair... <p></p><i></i>
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Skolnick's latest

Postby RebelYell » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:02 pm

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Re: Skolnick's latest highlights

Postby RebelYell » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:26 pm

Sherm ties it all up in a pretty bow. The 2000 election, 9-11, Plame, the rash of biochemist deaths, Gannon/Guckert, Mark Rich, and the murder of Judge Lefkow's husband and mother. Honestly, if this information is true, why is he still alive and able to publish these kinds of accusations? <br><br>...<br><br>Whatever presidential power Nixon supposed he had, he might use to "chop off the heads" of the prosecutorial team---all of them. <br><br>The result was called "The Saturday Night Massacre". After August, 1974, when Nixon resigned facing Impeachment, some smaller newspapers carried the statement of the Foreman of a Federal Grand Jury. The Grand Jury, he said, had voted True Bills, Federal Criminal Indictments, against Nixon. But, the Justice Department warned the Foreman and the Grand Jurors, that if the indictment was released, they would be greatly harmed and the federal authorities would not protect them, according to the Foreman. <br><br>...<br><br>The kingpin of the infamous Five was Judge Antonin Scalia. He and three judges in the federal appeals court in Chicago, U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, one step below the high court in Washington, three were professors together and one was law school dean at Rockefeller's University of Chicago Law School.<br> <br>These four Rockefeller judges, while on the bench, continue to represent the several billion dollar investment portfolio of Rockefeller's University of Chicago. Included are stocks of major corporations whose litigation is ruled upon by these judges who do not disqualify themselves. Further, by failing to reveal this, these judges violate a federal law requiring a mandatory annual judicial disclosure of income which these judges sign subject to the penalties of perjury.<br><br>...<br><br>In December, 2000, presenting the position of George W. Bush in the high court case of Bush versus Gore, was Theodore B. Olson, at the time, a private law partner of Eugene Scalia, son of Judge Scalia. Some contend Olson is a "court bagman" in Washington and in the Federal Courthouse in Chicago. <br><br>...<br><br>In the 9-11 matter, there is a serious controversy whether Olson's estranged wife Barbara (with whom he apparently had not spoken to for some time) actually spoke from a supposed hi-jacked plane directly to Theodore B. Olson. Was it actually a conversation with a call center operator? Was the American CIA involved? Some think so.<br> <br>Some continue to aver that Barbara Olson did not perish and has a plastic surgeon new face and a wig. And. moreover, that she is parked in seclusion in an Embassy in Sweden. If so. her emergence some day would pulverize the fake story of 9-11 "Moslem terrorists" like the internal planted explosives that took down the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center.<br><br>...<br><br>Risking their future career, some of the law clerks of the Dissenting four judges in Bush versus Gore reportedly stole private secret records of the Infamous Five showing the malign influence worked on the Judges in installing Bush. Instead of investigating the Five High Court Judicial criminals, Homeland Security and the FBI have been threatening and inflicting harm on the Dissenting Four High Court Judges and their brave law clerks. <br><br>...<br><br>For the first time in memory, an out-of-town prosecutor was brought in to be the new U.S. Attorney in Chicago. Unlike previous Chicago U.S. Attorneys, Fitzgerald was not one of the local political crowd who hope to leave federal office after a few years and join the corporate gangsters who while prosecutor were protected.. Patrick Fitzgerald was also named as the Special Prosecutor in the case stemming from the outing of deep cover CIA operative Valerie Plame. <br><br>...<br><br>Valerie Plame headed a vast team of more than one hundred covert agents. Some of them were penetration agents, secretly inserted in countries considered by the U.S. as unfriendly in Africa, the Mid-East, and elsewhere.<br> <br>Also part of her team were upwards of three dozen, or more, biochemists among other things, studying for or against how to use pandemics to minimize "excess population" , that is kill off mere eaters who supposedly do not produce anythimg "useful". <br><br>Several of these biochemists were purportedly adjuncts of various foreign counter-intelligence agencies. Since Plame's covert operations cover was blown, several dozen of these biochemists were murdered. A mere coincidence? One of those biochemists murdered, as ordered by Tony Blair for the benefit of George Bush, was Dr. David Kelly, purportedly also with British Counter-Intelligence, MI-6.<br><br>...<br><br> A question remains. Did Valerie Plame, or her husband, know that a sizeable portion of the funds for her team's operations worldwide were funneled through American CIA proprietary Coca-Cola? And that the funds corrupted the High Court? <br><br>...<br><br>Available to one or more federal grand juries have been witnesses who support the contentions that Bush himself gave directly to Gannon data as to the deep cover secret role of Valerie Plame; and that Gannon reportedly proceeded to distribute such data to various mass media people and others. <br><br>...<br><br>Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald was led to believe that, because of her background, Chicago District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow might assist in secretly resolving some of the grand jury problems centered on George W. Bush facing federal criminal prosecution. She, together with the one who later became her husband, early in their careers, they became a team stationed in Indonesia for the American CIA. They were there in the oil-soaked island nation at a time when, at the behest of CIA, one hundred fifty thousand natives were slaughtered on the unproven charges they were "Communists".<br> <br>As we have in previous postings detailed, the FBI no longer were tight with, and using as pals, the traditional Italian and Sicilian mafia. The Bureau preferred to protect the Russian mafiya, particularly so in Chicago where the Bureau is entangled with the Russian mafiya and uses them for FBI dirty business.<br><br>...<br><br>Judge Lefkow and her husband had a bad conflict of interest. however, which apparently interfered with any aid she might be in unknotting grand jury problems behind closed doors. The Judge and her husband had somehow fallen in with the Russian mafiya. Near to the Judge's residence is the Russian Martial Arts Center which somehow boasts on their website and elsewhere that they train U.S. and Russian personnel to be available to the Russian bloody tricks secret political police and commandoes, namely the Spitznaz. Taught for such service is how to subdue enemies with mind-control or to kill enemies with your hands, without using guns.<br> <br>In February, 2005, Judge Lefkow's mother and husband were found in the Judge's residence brutally murdered. As is their rotten habit, the FBI blamed it all on a "lone assassin", a sometime electrician, a Polish immigrant. The FBI conveniently disregarded the closed circuit video operating in the alley behind various other houses, showing the faces of known Russian mafiya killers, pals of the Chicago FBI and some U.S. Marshals, breaking into the rear of the judge's residence.<br><br>...<br><br>One or more of the grand juries have concluded their probe and have voted True Bills, Federal Criminal indictments, against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Condoleeza Rice, and Theodore B. Olson; and several media people not previously mentioned in the monopoly press as implicated. Shown as unindicted co-conspirators are two Judges on the U.S. Supreme Court, William Rehnquist and Antonin Scalia, who are among the Gang of Five also in Bush versus Gore. <br><br>Because of the horrendous consequences involved, the Indictments are suppressed and there may be an extended delay until they appear on the Chicago Federal Court open records.<br><br>...<br><br>Such as, that Bush will declare Martial Law and suspend Habeas Corpus, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Such as the U.S. will be wracked with financial and domestic anarchy as Bush seeks asylum in Brazil, or Australia, or elsewhere overseas.<br> <br>MORE COMING. STAY TUNED. <br> <br><br><br> <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rebelyell@rigorousintuition>RebelYell</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/sideburn_chaser/titan.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 8/5/05 7:45 pm<br></i>
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Re: Skolnick's latest highlights

Postby anonymouse » Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:48 am

No one can prove the claim false, any more than it can be proved true. It's just a lot of hot air at this point, echoing around the internet. Like I said before, if Skolnick, Flocco, Heneghen et al had any credibility to begin with, I'd like to see it. The only reason I can think of to leak this sort of potentially explosive information to fools like that would be to lay some groundwork for burying / discrediting Fitzgerald. I don't think that's negativity, I think that's having a healthy bullshit detector. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: crime families

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:20 am

looking at from this angle<br><br>family bush of british roots killed off family kennedy of irish roots<br><br>all is related to the 11/22/63 killing of the king which was done in similar vein as 9/11 to inflict huge trauma on the masses..like a giant govt sponsored mind control project<br><br>I did hear this spin from sherman BUT have persued the kenendy stuff in different ways since 11/22/63<br><br>something was wrong that day and still is and its gotten much worse..like each hit is a cover of the first covered up death<br><br>and many are alive today who know the truth<br><br>The USA and the world is caught in the time warp of 11/22/63<br><br>IMHO!!<br><br>I appreciate most of the comments and think you few naysayers have been fair in your rebuttals..<br><br>Who has the TRUTHS ??..well the jury is still out on that one.. <p></p><i></i>
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Sherman Skolnik Speaks:

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:02 am

in his own words...<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/S_284_S/Overthrow%20series/bush.htm">www.cloakanddagger.de/med...s/bush.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"12. One or more of the grand juries have concluded their probe and have voted True Bills, Federal Criminal indictments, against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Condoleeza Rice, and Theodore B. Olson; and several media people not previously mentioned in the monopoly press as implicated. Shown as unindicted co-conspirators are two Judges on the U.S. Supreme Court, William Rehnquist and Antonin Scalia, who are among the Gang of Five also in Bush versus Gore.<br><br> 11. From time to time, over the years, Federal Prosecutors in presenting witnesses and evidence behind closed doors, develop problems. Usually, a U.S. District Judge, in secret, is asked to assist. It becomes partly public only rarely when the matter goes on appeal, with a heavily redacted appeal record to the federal appeals court.<br><br> <br><br>Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald was led to believe that, because of her background, Chicago District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow might assist in secretly resolving some of the grand jury problems centered on George W. Bush facing federal criminal prosecution. She, together with the one who later became her husband, early in their careers, they became a team stationed in Indonesia for the American CIA. They were there in the oil-soaked island nation at a time when, at the behest of CIA, one hundred fifty thousand natives were slaughtered on the unproven charges they were "Communists<br><br><br>Because of the horrendous consequences involved, the Indictments are suppressed and there may be an extended delay until they appear on the Chicago Federal Court open records.<br><br> <br><br>13. The substance of the details in this story have been confirmed to us as being true and correct by high government officials, with spotless records, of the U.S., Canada, and Europe.<br><br> <br><br>14. To distract from the impending release of the indictments and the naming of the unindicted co-conspirators, the Bush White House has caused deadly rumors to circulate.<br><br> <br><br>Such as, that the FBI is tracking in the District of Columbia and elsewhere that certain supposed "terrorists" have suitcase dirty nukes ready to set off in D.C.<br><br> <br><br>Such as, that Bush will declare Martial Law and suspend Habeas Corpus, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Such as the U.S. will be wracked with financial and domestic anarchy as Bush seeks asylum in Brazil, or Australia, or elsewhere overseas. "<br><br> <br><br>MORE COMING. STAY TUNED.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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scientific question

Postby robertdreed » Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:07 am

Related to the allegations pertaining to the so-called "suitcase nuke": what's the critical mass of plutonium required for a chain reaction? <br><br>Come on, there must be some physics-chem types out there somewhere...<br><br>And no, I'm not inclined to accept any explanations using the term "red mercury." That's some shit they use in crank labs. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/6/05 1:08 am<br></i>
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Re: Sherman Skolnik Speaks:

Postby sunny » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:36 am

Once again, Skolnick doesn't back up anything he says, either by providing links, citing documentation, or quoting insiders in a position to know, even anonomously. We decry such sloppiness in the msm, why should we put up with it in the alternative media? He seems to be offering a paen to wishful thinking, God bless him.<br><br>Nevertheless, I hope the story is true, and will gladly eat a hat or something if it pans out. Time will tell.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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re: Scientific Questions re. Suitcase Nuke Pu Critical Mass

Postby Starman » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:26 pm

Robert Reed asked:<br>"Related to the allegations pertaining to the so-called "suitcase nuke": what's the critical mass of plutonium required for a chain reaction?"<br><br>Good question; I'm hardly a physics-chem type (I'm partial to quantum-cosmology as a long hobby interest sorta related to my paintings) but I have no trouble doing research, esp. w/the incredible convenience, efficiency and speed of google searches. So the quick one-stop-shopping answer to your Q is:<br><br>"An unreflected spherical alpha-phase critical mass of Pu-239 weighs 10.5 kg and is 10.1 cm across." As the article below elaborates, a berrylium-type reflector can reduce this mass by 10 to 20 percent, with the trade-off being increased overall diameter, added component weight and complexity. According to the nuclear weapon archive, the smallest tested device was a 5 X 23 inch artillery shell weighing about 96 pounds. But this is contradicted by another site re: Nuclear Weapon Factoids (cited below) that claims the smallest test-proven device is another Davy Crocket Recoiless Rifle artillery shell, approx. 11 X 16 inches weighing about 51 pounds and producing a 1 kiloton yield. A DOE estimate suggests that as little as 4 kg of Plutonium can make a fission device, while some experts believe as little a 1 kg can make an effective bomb.<br><br>10.5 kg quote above from:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/DoSuitcaseNukesExist.html">nuclearweaponarchive.org/...Exist.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br>Are Suitcase Bombs Possible?<br>By Carey Sublette<br><br>Last changed 18 May 2002<br><br><br>It is impossible to verify at the time of this writing whether nuclear devices sized to fit in side a suitcase were actually manufactured by the former Soviet Union, as alleged by Alexander Lebed in September 1997. It is certainly possibel to assess the technicial plausibility of such a claim and to provide a analysis of the likely characteristics of the weapons Lebed described.<br><br>A suitcase bomb with dimensions of 60 x 40 x 20 centimeters is by any standard a very compact nuclear weapon. Information is lacking on compact Soviet weapons, but a fair amount of information is available on compact US designs which provides a good basis for comparison.<br><br>The smallest possible bomb-like object would be a single critical mass of plutonium (or U-233) at maximum density under normal conditions. An unreflected spherical alpha-phase critical mass of Pu-239 weighs 10.5 kg and is 10.1 cm across.<br><br>A single critical mass cannot cause an explosion however since it does not cause fission multiplication, somewhat more than a critical mass is required for that. But it does not take much more than a single critical mass to cause significant explosions. As little an excess as 10% (1.1 critical masses) can produce explosions of 10-20 tons. This low yield seems trivial compared to weapons with yields in the kilotons or megatons, but it is actually far more dangerous than conventional explosives of equivalent yield due to the intense radiation emitted. A 20 ton fission explosion, for example, produces a very dangerous 500 rem radiation exposure at 400 meters from burst point, and a 100% lethal 1350 rem exposure at 300 meters. A yield of 10-20 tons is also equal to the yield of the lowest yield nuclear warhead ever deployed by the US -- the W-54 used in the Davy Crockett recoilless rifle.<br><br>A mere 1.2 critical masses can produce explosive yield of 100 tons, and 1.35 critical masses can reach 250 tons. At this point a nation with sophisticated weapons technology can employ fusion boosting to raise the yield well into the kiloton range without requiring additional fissile material.<br><br>The amount of fissile material that constitutes a "critical mass" varies with the material density and the type of neutron reflector present (if any). A high explosive implosion can compress fissile material to greater than normal density, thus reducing the critical mass. A neutron reflector reduces neutron loss and reduces the critical mass at a constant density. However generally speaking, adding explosives or neutron reflectors to a core adds considerably more mass to the whole system than it saves.<br><br>A limited exception to this is that a thin beryllium reflector (thickness no more than the core radius) can actually reduce the total mass of the system, although it increases its overall diameter. For beryllium thicknesses of a few centimeters, the radius of a plutonium core is reduced by 40-60% of the reflector thickness. Since the density difference between these materials is on the order of 10:1, substantial mass savings (a couple of kilograms) can be achieved. At some point though increasing the thickness of the reflector begins to add more mass than it saves since volume increases with the cube of the radius. This marks the point of minimum total mass for the reflector/core system.<br><br>A low yield minimum mass or minimum volume weapon would thus use an efficient fissile material (plutonium or U-233), a limited amount of high explosives (sufficient only to assembly the core, not to compress it to greater than normal density), and a thin beryllium reflector.<br><br>We can now try to estimated the absolute minimum possible mass for a bomb with a significant yield. Since the critical mass for alpha-phase plutonium is 10.5 kg, and an additional 20-30% of mass is needed to make a significant explosion, this implies 13 kg or so. A thin beryllium reflector can reduce this by a couple of kilograms, but the necessary high explosive, packaging, triggering system, etc. will add mass, so the true absolute minimum probably lies in the range of 11-15 kg (and is probably closer to 15 than 11).<br><br>This is probably a fair description of the W-54 Davy Crockett warhead. This warhead was the lightest ever deployed by the US, with a minimum mass of about 23 kg (it also came in heavier packages) and had yields ranging from 10 tons up to 1 Kt in various versions. The warhead was basically egg-shaped with the minor axis of 27.3 cm and a major axis of 40 cm. The test devices for this design fired in Hardtack Phase II (shots Hamilton and Humboldt on 15 October and 29 October 195<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> weighed only 16 kg, impressively close to the minimum mass estimated above. These devices were 28 cm by 30 cm.<br><br>W-54 Davy Crockett (38 K)<br><br>The W-54 design probably approaches the minimum size for a spherical implosion device (the US has conducted tests of a 25.4 cm implosion systems however).<br><br>The W-54 nuclear package is certainly light enough by itself to be used in a "suitcase bomb" but the closest equivalent to such a device that US has ever deployed was a man-carried version called the Mk-54 SADM (Small Atomic Demolition Munition). This used a version of the W-54, but the whole package was much larger and heavier. It was a cylinder 40 cm by 60 cm, and weighed 68 kg (the actual warhead portion weighed only 27 kg). Although the Mk-54 SADM has itself been called a "suitcase bomb" it is more like a "steamer trunk" bomb, especially considering its weight.<br><br>Minimum mass and minimum volume are not the only design criteria of interest of course, since even 25.4 cm (10 inches) is rather thick even for a suitcase and is wider than the reported 20 cm thickness of Alexander Lebed's suitcase bomb. Another approach is to instead develop a minimum diameter or minimum thickness design.<br><br>Minimizing nuclear weapon diameters has been a subject of intense interest for developing nuclear artillery shells, since the largest field artillery is typically the 208 mm (8.2 inch) caliber, with 155 mm (6.1 inches) artillery being the workhorse. Nuclear artillery shell designs with diameters as small as 105 mm have been studied. Packaging a nuclear artillery shell in a suitcase is an obvious route for creating a compact man-portable device.<br><br>The US has developed several nuclear artillery shells in the 155 mm caliber. The only one to be deployed was the W-48 nuclear warhead developed by UCRL, packaged in the M-45 AFAP (artillery fired atomic projectile) shell. The W-48 nuclear warhead measured 86 cm (34") long and weighed 53.5-58 kg (118-128 lbs). Its yield was on the order of 70 to 100 tons (it was tested in the Hardtack II Tamalpais shot with a yield of 72 tons, predicted yield was 100-300 tons).<br><br>The smallest diameter US test device publicly known was the UCRL Swift device fired in the Redwing Yuma shot on 28 May 1956 . It had a 5" (12.7 cm) diameter, a length of 62.2 cm (24.5 inches) and weighed 43.5 kg (96 lb). The test had a yield of 190 tons, but was intended to be fusion boosted (and thus would probably have had a yield in the kiloton range) but its yield was insufficient to ignite the fusion reaction and it failed to boost in this test. This test may have been a predecessor to the W-48 design.<br><br>Later and lighter 155 mm designs were also developed -- the W74 (canceled early in development), and the W-82/XM-785 shell. The W82 had a yield of up to 2 kilotons and weighed 43 kg (95 lb), but included a number of sophisticated additional features within this weight. Since it was capable of being fielded with a "neutron bomb" (enhanced radiation) option, which is intrinsically more complex than a basic nuclear warhead, and was in addition rocket boosted, the actual minimum nuclear package was substantially lighter than the weight of the complete round. Its overall length was 86 cm (34").<br><br>It is reported that designs least as small as 105 mm (4.1 inches) are possible. A hypothetical 105 mm system developed for use in an artillery shell would be about 50 cm (20 inches) long and weigh around 20 kg.<br><br>Compact nuclear artillery shells (208 mm and under) are based on a design approach called linear implosion. The linear implosion concept is that an elongated (football shaped) lower density subcritical mass of material can be compressed and deformed into a critical higher density spherical configuration by embedding it in a cylinder of explosives which are initiated at each end. As the detonation progresses from each direction towards the middle, the fissile mass is squeezed into a supercritical shape. The Swift device is known to have been a linear implosion design.<br> <br>It is quite likely, that should the suitcase bombs described by Lebed actually exist, that they would use this technology. It is clear that any of the 155 mm artillery shells, if shortened by omitting the non-essential conical ogive and fuze would fit diagonally in the package that Lebed describes, and the Swift device would fit easily. If the yield is as much as 10 kilotons, then the device would have to be fusion boosted.<br><br>A somewhat more sophisticated variation would extend the linear implosion concept to cylindrical implosion, in this case an oblate (squashed) spheroid, roughly discus-shaped, of plutonium would be embedded in a cylinder of high explosive which is initiated simultaneously around its perimeter. The cylindrically converging detonation would compress and deform the fissile mass into a sphere, that could be wider than the original thickness of the system. This type of design would make the flattest possible bomb design, perhaps as little as 5 cm. The only obvious application for such a device would be briefcase bomb, and would require a special development effort to create it.<br><br>See Section 4.2 of the Nuclear Weapons FAQ for more details:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq4-2.html">nuclearweaponarchive.org/...aq4-2.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Source of weapon and test details The Swords of Armageddon, by Chuck Hansen, Chuckelea Publishing, 1995.<br>*****<br><br>Alternative info:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tinyvital.com/Misc/nukes.htm">www.tinyvital.com/Misc/nukes.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>--excerpt--<br>The US produced, and for many years deployed "Atomic Demolition Munitions." The Medium Atomic Demolition Munition (MADM) produced 1-15 kilotons of yield, and weighed 400 pounds. The Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM) yielded .01-1 kilotons and weighed only 163 pounds. <br> <br> The smallest nuclear weapon the US produced was the "Davy Crockett" - a recoilless rifle round. It weighed about 51 pounds, was 16 inches long and 11 inches in diameter. It produced a variable yield of up to 1 kiloton. <br> <br> An excellent discussion of this issue is here: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/hew/News/Lebedbomb.html">nuclearweaponarchive.org/...dbomb.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br> The Soviets supposedly produced "suitcase nukes" and there is no reason to doubt this assertion. Former Soviet General Ledbed has asserted that a number of these are not accounted for. There are reasons, however, to doubt his assertions given his political position. Interestingly, Ledbed was recently killed in a helicopter crash.<br> <br> The Soviets supposedly produced "suitcase nukes" and there is a US DOE estimate that only 4kg of Plutonium is necessary to make a fission weapon. Some believe that only 1kg is needed. <br>--end excerpt--<br><br>(Semi Off-topic thoughts and observations:<br>I'm suspicious of this immediately-above site's soft-pedalling the health and life-risks of nuclear weapons -- for instance, it denies the Cold War critical-claims that an all-out nuclear war would kill all (human) life on earth by asserting that if all weapons were to be exploded the 'average' radiation dose per person would only be 1/100 of a lethal dose, well-below what has been established to cause health risks. <br><br>This assertion doesn't account for targetted population densities and completely ignores subsequent environmental contamination or severe atmospheric-climatic effects such as Nuclear Winter, from high-atmosphere particles occluding sunlight. It also denies fallout-caused death in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, alleging fallout was minimal and all radiation injuries were the result of direct first-minute bomb-blast exposure. <br><br>Further: ""The health effects from plutonium, americium, and uranium intakes by humans, as determined with USTUR data can be summarized in two words, virtually none." This claim is at enormous variance from information established by a great many scientific and health organizations that assert, for instance, that the cumulative exposure of radiation contamination from aerial test explosions causes some 20,000 cancer-related deaths annually. I guess this may be an instance showing how readily an influential special-interest can provide 'facts' to 'prove' whatever they are highly motivated to. <br><br>I imagine this site also wouldn't recognize the environmental and health-risk of Depleted Uranium weapons, ie, minimizing the heavy-metal chemical and alpha-radiation consequences of large amounts of aerosolized DU. Instances of disease-cancers and birth-defects and miscarriages are up very significantly in Baghdad and other areas (throughout Iraq as well as Kosova/Yugoslavia and Afghanistan) where large amounts of DU weapons have been used -- as also US/ally veterans and their families show evidence of significant DU health affects. I suspect this site represents vested interests promoting the 'benefits' of nuclear energy and related technologies, by downplaying the true or highly-suspected actual and long-term consequences.-S)<br><br>More relevant info links: (Note variance in claims of critical mass, up to 16 kg!)<br><br>Nuclear Suitcase Bomb Threat<br>ABC News, Brian Ross: "Portable Terror: Suitcase Nukes Raise Concerns"... bomb-like object would be a single critical mass of plutonium (or U-233) at ...<br>www.unitedstatesaction.com/suitcase-nuclear.htm <br><br>Suitcase nuke, suitcase bomb, backpack bomb information and homeland security ... bomb-like object would be a single critical mass of plutonium (or U-233) at ...<br>www.nationalterroralert.com/readyguide/suitcasenuke.htm <br><br>TA-ANALYSIS:"Suitcase Nukes" an Overview<br>Suitcase Nukes have been brought up in the Media lately, however most of us have been ... Since the critical mass for alpha-phase plutonium is 10.5 kg,..<br>www.atsnn.com/story/39860.html <br><br>MILNET Mirror Document: Ex-Soviet Loose Nukes<br>Since the critical mass for alpha-phase plutonium is 10.5 kg, ... Suitcase Nukes - A Reassessement..., Center for Non-Proliferation Studiese, 9/23/2002 ...<br>www.milnet.com/nukeweap/suitbomb.htm <br><br>MILNET-Nuclear Weapons Frequently Asked Questions<br>MILNET - Suitcase Nukes. With recent attention in Congress over the ... Q: Taking into account the physical size of a critical mass (a grapefuit sized mass ...<br>www.milnet.com/nukeweap/suitcase1.htm <br><br>Nukes, Osama, Suitcase Bombs, and Ex-Soviet Loose Nukes Nuclear Page ... Since the critical mass for alpha-phase plutonium is 10.5 kg, and an additional 20-30% of ...<br>www.calguard.ca.gov/ia/Nukes/ Suitcase%20Bombs%20and%20Loose%20Nukes.htm <br><br>The Straight Dope: Could a nuclear weapon be built and carried in ... a "shaped charge" of conventional explosives to compress the plutonium to critical mass, ... Not to worry, the experts say: The suitcase nuke threat is...<br>www.straightdope.com/columns/050624.html <br><br>Democratic Underground - North Korea has nuclear bomb, would-be ...<br>The critical mass for an unreflected sphere of plutonium is 16 kg, but through the ... Background on Suitcase Nukes A "suitcase" bomb is a very compact and ...<br>www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1641713 <br><br>Nuclear Weapons Archive and FAQ - *Site claim* This is an outstanding and comprehensive resource.: <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/>.">nuclearweaponarchive.org/>.</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>A paper <NukeLinearDoseEffectRelationship.htm> disputing Linear No Threshold Theory (originally found here. <<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://web.ccr.jussieu.fr/curie.100/fulltext/jaworowski.html>)">web.ccr.jussieu.fr/curie....ski.html>)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Starman<br> <p></p><i></i>
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