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by **Peachtree Pam** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:13 pm

From Americablog: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 Did Bush lie to Fitzgerald? by John in DC - 10/19/2005 03:22:00 PM From the Anonymous Liberal (what follows is his writing, though I agree totally): ...if Rove came clean in 2003, was that before or after Scott McClellan told the press that he was "not involved" in the leak? More importantly, if this story is true, particularly the part about this disclosure taking place in 2003, there is a potentially far more serious problem. Let's go back to Murray Waas' Oct. 7 article in the National Journal, which was one of three articles that leaked the "Rove misled Bush" story. Waas wrote: White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove personally assured President Bush in the early fall of 2003 that he had not disclosed to anyone in the press that Valerie Plame, the wife of an administration critic, was a CIA employee, according to legal sources with firsthand knowledge of the accounts that both Rove and Bush independently provided to federal prosecutors . . . In his own interview with prosecutors on June 24, 2004, Bush testified that Rove assured him he had not disclosed Plame as a CIA employee and had said nothing to the press to discredit Wilson, according to sources familiar with the president's interview. So if this new story is true--Rove "came clean" to Bush in 2003--and Waas is also right, doesn't that mean that Bush lied to Fitzgerald in June 2004? The White House needs to come clean now about when Rove told Bush he was the leaker by John in DC - 10/19/2005 02:59:00 PM On October 7, 2003, Bush said the following: I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official. Now, this is a large administration, and there's a lot of senior officials. I don't have any idea. I'd like to. I want to know the truth. That's why I've instructed this staff of mine to cooperate fully with the investigators -- full disclosure, everything we know the investigators will find out. I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is -- partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers. The NY Daily News reports that sometime in 2003, Rove told Bush he was the leaker. It is now incumbent on the White House to tell us WHEN Rove told Bush. Because if Rove told Bush prior to October 7, 2003, then Bush actively engaged in a conspiracy to deceive the American people about a possible crime. The White House press corps needs to demand a specific date. Second Cheney aide reportedly turned, now helping prosecutor on PlameGate by John in DC - 10/19/2005 02:38:00 PM From Raw Story: A second aide to Vice President Dick Cheney is cooperating with the special prosecutor's probe into the outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson, those close to the investigation say. Bush knew Rove was the leaker in 2003. Lied in 2004 when he said he didn't know who leaked. Obstruction of Justice. by John in DC - 10/19/2005 11:49:00 AM As a follow-on to Joe's post below, that article is a bombshell. And here's why: From the NY Daily News: Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak.... A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President. "Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said. So: 1. We just had a two year investigation costing a ton of taxpayer money to find out something that the president knew all along? 2. Bush has kept Rove on staff even though HE KNEW Rove was the leaker. 3. It was June 10 of 2004 that Bush said he'd fire anyone involved in the leak. This was AFTER he already knew that Karl was the leaker, Bush knew that in 2003. So Bush lied when he told the public in June of 2004 that he would fire the leaker because he already knew who the leaker was, and clearly hadn't fire him. From the White House's own Web site: Q Given -- given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name? THE PRESIDENT: That's up to -- Q And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so? THE PRESIDENT: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. Attorney to find the facts. 4. Bush's comments border on obstruction of justice. He went public and made clear that he didn't know who the leaker was - he said he'd fire anyone found to have been involved, he hadn't yet fired Karl, so clearly he was saying that he had no evidence that Karl was involved. Bush was trying to cover up the fact that Karl was the guy. That's obstruction. Now that we know that Bush knew Karl was the leaker in 2003, I want folks to scour the Web for any White House comments, from Bush, McClellan, Mehlman, anybody from 2004 until today who says that we don't have all the facts, that Karl is innocent, etc. Remember, the quotes must be dated 2004 or 2005. This is obstruction of justice territory - let's prove that they intentionally misled the public when they already knew that Karl was the leaker. Bush was mad at Rove for being "clumsy" -- not for being a traitor by Joe in DC - 10/19/2005 11:34:00 AM Okay, you have to read this article in the NY Daily News. One of Bush's "counselors" is off the record telling reporters that Bush was really, really pissed at Karl Rove over the Plame thing. But, and this is key, Bush wasn't mad because Rove leaked the name of an undercover CIA agent during the time of war. No, he was mad that his people did it so poorly: Bush has always known that Rove often talks with reporters anonymously and he generally approved of such contacts, one source said. But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger. A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President. "Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said. So, it wasn't what they did that made Bush angry. It was how they did it. Bush had no problem sacrificing national security for smear politics. That should make us all feel safer. <a href="http://americablog.blogspot.com/">americablog.blogspot.com/</a>

by **Col Quisp** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:21 pm

Remember, you heard it here first! lol. Either someone made a serious error in printing that Daily News story, or they're out to bury Dubya. Either way, lay in a supply of popcorn and bubbly.

by **sunny** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:53 pm

The night these indictments come out, I'm gonna have a HUUUUUUUUUGE party and you are all invited! (If Wilma doesn't blow my house away; even that wouldn't be enough to dampen my joy at the news)<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:54 pm

Hmmm, interesting: <a href="http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002492.html#002492">onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmar...tml#002492</a> See link for rest of article. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>From my secret source, the following: ...Plamegate coming to conclusion. The investigation has focused mostly closely on Vice President Cheney and his staff, as well as US Ambassador to the UN (and former undersecretary of state for arms control) John Bolton and his staff. We are told that eight indictments have already prepared, with the possibility of another ten. These indictments include senior white house staff, most notably Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Scooter Libby, Fred Flights (special assistant to John Bolton), and--very surprisingly--national security adviser Steve Hadley. apparently, Libby and Hadley have both been told by their lawyers to expect indictments. the indictment of senior bush political advisor Karl Rove seems highly probable. Most critically, a plea bargain process has evidently been opened with Vice President Cheney's lawyer. that does not mean that an indictment is coming. but i've some critical background around the issue. In the past several days, former Secretary of State Colin Powell had a meeting with Senator John McCain (R-AZ), primarily about the McCain-sponsored amendment on inserting a rider prohibiting torture onto the us defense budget (a bill which Powell has himself been lobbying heavily for, against objections of president Bush). During the meeting, Powell recounted to the senator that he had traveled on air force one with Bush and Cheney, and brought to their attention a classified memorandum about the issue of whether there was indeed a transaction inolving Niger and yellow cake uranium. the document included Ambassador Joe Wilson's involvement and identified his wife, Valerie Plame, as a covert agent. the memorandum further stated that this information was secret. Powell told McCain that he showed that memo only to two people--president and vice president. according to Powell, Cheney fixated on the Wilson/Plame connection, and Plame's status. Powell testified about this exchange in great length to the grand jury investigating the plame case. according to sources close to the case, Powell appeared convinced that the vice president played a focal role in disclosing plame's undercover status. In his conversation with McCain, Powell felt that--at a minimum--there would be a serious shakeup at national security council as a consequence. in particular, vice president cheney would no longer hold a pivotal role in us national security affairs. Powell apparently did not discuss the potential of a cheney resignation. Lead prosecutor patrick Fitzgerald has apparently been looking at the precedent of formerly indicted Nixon vice president Spiro Agnew. this shows the likely path, because addressing executive immunity and privilege questions would necessarily begin start with a plea-bargain deal that would entail a resignation.....<hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/19/05 6:56 pm

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:11 pm

Its bush league business as usual for the first american crime family "Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said. ESPIONAGE SABOTAGE and TREASON are the life blood of the bush criminals CUZ its good for profits and their international co-conspirators. NOW the busheviks and the neo-cons are cooking up the same plot for a country near U... So:

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:18 pm

Got a funny feeling about this though. I've suspected for a long time that the elder Bush gang got rid of Agnew, then set up Nixon. Current events are feeling familiar. Hope it is different.

by **Nonny** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:40 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hmmm, interesting: <a href="http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002492.html#002492" target="top">onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002492.html#002492</a> See link for rest of article.<hr></blockquote> Comments: I got the same e-mail. It was purportedly from a "Wall St. source." It's bunk. Here's the key. The Memo was faxed to Powell on AF One the day he and Bush & Co left for Africa. Cheney wasn't on the trip - or on Air Force One with Colin Powell and the President. So the entire thesis, which includes this: during the meeting, powell recounted to the senator that he had traveled on air force one with bush and cheney, and brought to their attention a classified memorandum about the issue of whether there was indeed a transaction inolving niger and yellow cake uranium. the document included ambassador joe wilson's involvement and identified his wife, valerie plame, as a covert agent. the memorandum further stated that this information was secret. powell told mccain that he showed that memo only to two people--president and vice president. according to powell, cheney fixated on the wilson/plame connection, and plame's status. is wrong. Also, Andrea Mitchell says colin powell testified he showed the memo to Ari Fleischer. Posted by: TalkLeft on October 19, 2005 04:23 PM ______________________________ The President and Vice-President never travel together. Especially on Air Force 1. Therefore, while I love the story and would love to believe it- it is simply not true. Posted by: Real Scientist on October 19, 2005 06:18 PM ______________________________ It's certainly an interesting theory, but I thought that the pres & VP weren't allowed to fly on the same plane. Or is that only in the movies? Posted by: anon on October 19, 2005 06:27 PM

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:56 pm

No, I think you are right, nonny.

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:07 pm

I've suspected for a long time that the elder Bush gang got rid of Agnew, then set up Nixon. Current events are feeling familiaroppy o bush king of world narcotics operations on the american side is the deep throat and did in tricky dicky nixon cuz nixon was about to tell all is a great theory and I believe it true. HOW to prove that to the DA..HOW to conect so many dots?? and many lead back to the bush family and S.& B. kerry and his father included.. richard kerry set up oswald in his relatives home in texas..[she was a forbes]

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:42 pm

Nixon didn't dare tell all--his body part was too deep in the wringer. And Agnew had no clue what really happened to him. He knew someone had done him in, conspiracy style, but he had no clue, thought it was just the liberal media. Dumb sob.

by **hmm** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:37 pm

<a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm17.showMessage?topicID=28.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=28.topic</a> hmm Unregistered User (7/19/05 10:51 am) <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"MEMRI was founded by a retired Israeli colonel from military intelligence, and co-run by Meyrav Wurmser, wife of David Wurmser. David Wurmser is close to the Likud Party in Israel and served in Douglas Feith's Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon, where he helped manufacture the case that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and was linked to al-Qaeda. ~snip~ MEMRI is funded to the tune of $60 million a year by someone, and it is a sophisticated anti-Arab propaganda machine." David Wurmser currently works for Dick Cheney. I have tried to keep it simple for maximum impact but there is much more flesh to this story. the people that need there to be an Al-Qaida bring us Al-Qaida,the people that faked the reasons for war on iraq bring us more fakes?<hr></blockquote> a snippet from a post from a couple of months ago Strange that Wurmsers "turned"...

by **Peachtree Pam** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:42 am

October 19, 2005 -- As of 3:45 pm, there was still no word on indictments coming out of the Grand Jury on Leakgate. But WMR can report the following: At approximately 4:45 pm, a motorcade consisting of a limousine, an SUV with well-armed security personnel, and a Washington, DC police car pulled into the annex of the E. Barrett Prettyman U.S. Courthouse on the 3rd Streetside of the courthouse complex on Constitution Avenue in Washington, DC. The occupants of the motorcade spent approximately 40 minutes inside the courthouse. There is speculation that the motorcade was that of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Sources familiar with the operations of special prosecutors are of the opinion that given the makeup of the motorcade, the time spent by the party in the courthouse, and the moving of the Grand Jury today to new quarters, the Grand Jury and Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald have concluded their deliberations and, as both a formality and a courtesy, Gonzales was invited to the courtroom to hear the indictments, have an opportunity to question the jurors, and be the first to convey the outcome of the secret proceedings to the White House. Although the Grand Jury has been meeting in the older Grand Jury room in the U.S. Courthouse, today it moved to a new Grand Jury room in the new courthouse annex. Two courtroom sketch artists were also permitted to sketch the empty Grand Jury room in the old courthouse building that was used until last week by the Leakgate Grand Jury. Last week, this room was used for the testimony of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and New York Times reporter Judith Miller. <a href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/">www.waynemadsenreport.com/</a>

by **antiaristo** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:55 am

hmm, What you say about Wurmser and his wife triggers a thought of something mentioned by Billmon. Apparently in Hebrew (and Arabic) the letter for "P" is the same as for "F". He speculated that this MAY have been where "Valerie Flame" came from. The translation of English into Hebrew and then back again. Why the thought? MEMRI is in the business of translation, no? Israelirealities, can you comment? on edit Hi Pam, I didn't want to take it off to a tangent. Contemporary CS related speculation here <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=1579.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...1579.topic</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/20/05 3:03 am

by **hmm** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:19 am

thxs,i hadnt heard that "P" "F" thing before,interesting thought. The reason i mentioned that about wurmser and his wife and his connections is that i feel this is one road that leads to the truth behind the conspiracy theory that Al-Qaida was responsible for 9-11. Wurmser cant really have turned or the grandjury must now know Al-Qaida and the war on terrorism is a big fraud..

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:09 am

Judith Miller is the unnamed woman in the Larry Franklin/AIPAC scandal? <a href="http://www.sw-asia.com/People/Judith_Miller_Naor_Gilon_Franklin_AIPAC.htm">www.sw-asia.com/People/Ju..._AIPAC.htm</a>

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