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by **hmm** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:18 pm

and the linked articles? <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm17.showMessage?topicID=28.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=28.topic</a> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/elsewh...58,00.html</a> <a href="http://antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=3898">antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=3898</a> <a href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/intimidation-by-israeli-linked.html">www.juancole.com/2004/11/...inked.html</a> <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=David_Wurmser">www.sourcewatch.org/wiki....id_Wurmser</a> i know its quite alot but its illuminating regarding memri,and shows the wurmsers are quite closely connected to the neocons,osp,italian and israeli military intelligence and the fake reasons for the war on iraq. don't worry,i'll forgive you if you dont

by **Col Quisp** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:44 pm

Something doesn't smell right to me here. Wilson was a career diplomat, ambassador to Iraq (a plum appointment), hailed by poppy o as a hero. All of a sudden he's outing himself as a 60's dope-taking radical who is alluding to neocons being reptiles (see DNA references below)? OK, maybe the reptilian conclusion is stretching it a bit. But, I ain't buyin' any of this. Joseph Wilson, husband of outed CIA agent, speaks at SF State Says U.S. troops should only be used for training and air support By Brian Babcock, Tribune Correspondent Inside Bay Area <blockquote>Quote:<hr>SAN FRANCISCO - American troops should be taken out of combat and used in limited ways only, such as training Iraqi troops and giving air support, Joseph Wilson, husband of outed CIA agent Valerie Plame, said Tuesday night at San Francisco State's McKenna Theatre. (snip) ``It is in the DNA of the people in (the Bush) administration to go after anyone who questions them,'' Wilson told the audience of about 200 people. During his speech Wilson outlined what he said were lies that the Bush administration fed to American citizens as a way to sell the idea of going to war with Iraq. ``(Neo-conservatives) wanted to turn this country into an empire,'' Wilson said of intentions by those who pushed for war on Iraq after the Sept. 11 attacks. Wilson, a former ambassador to Iraq and 23-year veteran in foreign diplomacy, told how he had been called a hero by the first President Bush. (snip) He said his decision to ``tell the truth'' was not heroic, but what any good American would do. ``This is what democracy is all about. We have to be vigilant in holding our government responsible for what it does in the name of the American people. Don't let anyone tell you that the U.S. government believed the bullshit they were dishing out.'' Wilson was at times sentimental; at other times angry and even funny. He characterized himself as a ``patriotic American'' who worked 18-hour days in the weeks before the Persian Gulf War, making sure that Americans were safe and that Saddam Hussein knew that America would wage war against Iraq if he didn't get out of Kuwait. America then had the support of the world, a support that grew after 9/11 when ``we had the support of the entire planet.'' Now, he said, he was ``ashamed'' to see his country had turned into ``just another imperial power who has unleashed the dogs of war.'' Besides pulling troops out of Iraq, Wilson said Americans should stop killing Sunni Arabs and bring in other countries to form a coalition to solve the Iraqi situation as peacefully as possible to prevent the country from further devolving into civil war, stabilizing the entire area. He said he hoped that the Iraqi constitution vote had failed, not because he wanted to see the administration fail but because he believed a negative vote would cause America and others to rethink their strategy and ``go back to the drawing board.'' ``I fear what the administration will do is declare victory and move on,'' Wilson said. ``That will just institutionalize the violence in the country.'' Some in the audience urged him to run for political office. But Wilson said he'd been a true child of the 1960s and had ``too many wives and taken too many drugs. And, yes, I did inhale.''  But he said he remained fueled by the optimism of the 1960s and the belief that America could ``once again become a beacon of hope for the rest of the world.'' <hr></blockquote>

by **dbeach** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:06 pm

``"It is in the DNA of the people in (the Bush) administration to go after anyone who questions them,'' Wilson told the audience of about 200 people. During his speech Wilson outlined what he said were lies that the Bush administration fed to American citizens as a way to sell the idea of going to war with Iraq." I TOLD YA DEY WAS REPTOIDS..SEE ITS EVEN IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO IT MUST BE tru. LOVE IT. David Icke wins agin..just kidddin or am I???? Blue blooded Privlege and their Treasons

by **antiaristo** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Some in the audience urged him to run for political office. But Wilson said he'd been a true child of the 1960s and had ``too many wives and taken too many drugs. And, yes, I did inhale.''<hr></blockquote> Col, That's quite an interesting insight. Those are the only two traits that rule you out. You can do ANYTHING else, and you will be forgiven by the voters. So why say it? Why rule it out? Wilson (the fourth) knows some unlikely men have won the presidency, and that you never know what the next half hour might bring - let alone the rest of your life. They ALL have fantasies about their country turning to them in its hour of need. The only thing that makes sense is that he fears scrutiny. Real scrutiny. That he's got something to hide. On edit Apologies to the the Colonel and to chiggerbit Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/20/05 1:26 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:53 pm

Not mine,

by **heath7** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:34 pm

<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-most-important-crimin_b_9183.html" target="top">The Most Important Criminal Case in American History</a> An argument truly worthy of going before Fitzgerald: If special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald delivers indictments of a few functionaries of the vice president’s office or the White House, we are likely to have on our hands a constitutional crisis. The evidence of widespread wrongdoing and conspiracy is before every American with a cheap laptop and a cable television subscription. And we do not have the same powers of subpoena granted to Fitzgerald. We know, however, based upon what we have read and seen and heard that someone created fake documents related to Niger and Iraq and used them as a false pretense to launch America into an invasion of Iraq. And when a former diplomat made an honest effort to find out the facts, a plan was hatched to both discredit and punish him by revealing the identity of his undercover CIA agent wife. Patrick Fitzgerald has before him the most important criminal case in American history. Watergate, by comparison, was a random burglary in an age of innocence. The investigator’s prosecutorial authority in this present case is not constrained by any regulation. If he finds a thread connecting the leak to something greater, Fitzgerald has the legal power to follow it to the web in search of the spider. It seems unlikely, then, that he would simply go after the leakers and the people who sought to cover up the leak when it was merely a secondary consequence of the much greater crime of forging evidence to foment war. Fitzgerald did not earn his reputation as an Irish alligator by going after the little guy. Presumably, he is trying to find evidence that Karl Rove launched a covert operation to create the forged documents and then conspired to out Valerie Plame when he learned the fraud was being uncovered by Plame’s husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson. As much as this sounds like the plot of a John le Carre novel, it also comports with the profile of the Karl Rove I have known, watched, traveled with and written about for the past 25 years. We may stand witness to a definitive American moment of democracy. The son of a New York doorman probably has in his hands, in many ways, the fate of the republic. Because far too many of us know and are aware of the crimes committed by our government in our name, we are unlikely to settle for a handful of minor indictments of bureaucrats. The last thing most of us believe in is the rule of law. We do not trust our government or the people we have elected but our constitution is still very much alive and we choose to believe that destiny has placed Patrick Fitzgerald at this time and this place in our history to save us from the people we elected. If the law cannot get to the truth of what has happened to the American people under the Bush administration, then we all may begin to hear the early death rattles of history’s greatest democracy. Fortunately, there are good signs. Fitzgerald has reportedly asked for a copy of the Italian government’s investigation into the break-in of the Niger embassy in Rome and the source of the forged documents. The blatantly fake papers, which purported to show that Saddam Hussein had cut a deal to get yellowcake uranium from Niger, turned up after a December 2001 meeting in Rome involving neo-con Michael Ledeen, Larry Franklin, Harold Rhodes, and Niccolo Pollari, the head of Italy’s intelligence agency SISMI, and Antonio Martino, the Italian defense minister. If Fitzgerald is examining the possibility that Ledeen was executing a plan to help his friend Karl Rove build a case for invading Iraq? Ledeen has long ties to Italian intelligence agency operatives and has spanned the globe to bring the world the constant variety of what he calls “creative destruction” to build democracies. He makes the other neo-cons appear passive. He brought the Reagan administration together with the Iranian arms dealer who dragged the country through Iran-Contra and shares with his close friend Karl Rove a personal obsession with Machiavelli. Ledeen, who is almost rabidly anti-Arab, famously told the Washington Post that Karl Rove told him, “Any time you have a good idea, tell me.” The federal grand jury has to at least consider whether Ledeen called Rove with an idea to use his contacts with the Italian CIA to hatch a plan to create the rationale for war. Ledeen told radio interviewer Ian Masters and his producer Louis Vandenberg, “I have absolutely no connection to the Niger documents, have never even seen them. I did not work on them, never handled them, know virtually nothing about them, don't think I ever wrote or said anything about the subject.” It is strictly coincidence then that some months after he and his neo-con consorts and Italian intelligence officers met in Rome that the Niger embassy was illegally entered and nothing was stolen other than letterhead and seals. And equally coincident that forged papers under those letterheads were slipped to Elisabetta Burba, a writer for an Italian glossy owned by Silvio Berlusconi, Italy’s prime minister, and a backer of the Bush invasion scheme. Unfortunately for the pro-war neo-cons, even an Italian tabloid would not publish the fake documents and turned them over to the CIA and US government in Rome. The other American attendees at Ledeen’s Roman Holiday are also worthy of scrutiny. Larry Franklin was recently arrested for leaking classified US government information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Ledeen sprang quickly to his defense but Franklin faces prosecution next year and is most probably cooperating with prosecutor Fitzgerald. Harold Rhode, the other American actor in this tragicomic affair, worked the Office of Special Plans (OSP) at the Department of Defense for Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Characterized as a “counter-intelligence shop,” OSP simply interpreted intelligence in a manner that fit the need for evidence that Iraq had WMD. If the CIA gathered data that said otherwise, OSP analyzed it differently or ignored the facts and then reported to the vice president precisely what he wanted to hear. Rhode also was the liaison between Ahmed Chalabi, the convicted embezzler the Bush administration was using to feed information to them and Judy Miller about the distortions and lies required to fuel the rush to war. No great extrapolation is necessary to assume that OSP, sitting inside the CIA, got early word that Joseph Wilson was being dispatched to Niger to investigate the sale of low-grade uranium to Iraq. Rhode needed only to pick up the phone and call the vice president’s chief of staff Scooter Libby, who would tell his boss and Karl Rove. How hard is it for even Republicans to believe, at this point, that Rove is capable of launching a plan to discredit Wilson and punish him by exposing his wife? Rove and his boss were not simply in danger of losing the prime cause for the war; they faced an even graver political wound of being discovered as covert agents who defrauded the government and the public. I have seen the spawn of Rove’s tortured mind and watched a hundred of his political scams unfold and I am confident I know how this one played out. Rove might have brought it up with his fellow big brains in the White House Iraq Group, a propaganda organization set up to disseminate information supporting the war. There was likely a consensus to move the plan to smack down Wilson out of the White House. Rove always keeps a layer of operatives between himself and the person he gets to pull the trigger. Libby was probably told to manage it out of the VP’s office to protect the president because Karl always takes care of his most prized assets. Libby then likely ordered John Hannah and possibly David Wurmser to call the ever-friendly Judy Miller at the New York Times and columnist Robert Novak to give them Valerie Plame’s identity. Rove knew that Miller would call Libby of Aspen for confirmation and his old friend Novak was certain to call Rove who, as an unidentified senior White House official, would confirm the identity on background only. Because Novak is a partisan gunslinger, he wrote more quickly than Miller and when she saw the firestorm his story created, she backed off and has since been trying to cover for herself and Libby. Miller’s later claim that she cannot remember who gave her the “Valerie Flame” name is as much dissembling as Rove’s unconvincing argument that he “forgot” he met with Time reporter Matt Cooper. Karl Rove can remember precinct results from 19th century presidential elections. He neither forgets nor forgives. There you have it, Mr. Prosecutor. To quote an unreconstructed former Republican presidential candidate, “You know it. I know it. And the American people know it.” We expect you also to have sufficient evidence to prove all of this. There are many of us who are on the verge of losing faith in our democracy. We are convinced that there are people within the highest ramparts of American government who are willing to put our country at great risk to advance their geo-political vision. We want our country back. And all we have left is the power of the law. From what we know, you are the right man come forth at the right time. Prove to us we still live in a democracy and a nation of laws.

by **sunny** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:39 pm

Heath, I had just read that post, and, scrolling down the comments, noticed that one of them mentions USC 18 Sec 794, which gives that mainstream, mostly liberal crowd something to chew on.

by **dbeach** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:24 pm

I also enjoyed the James More article and I wil raise it one more item rove knew wilson did too the many may ask for the nasty rover while may say..MAYBE more was in play than the bust-up of another CIA spok factory..must be lots of them still around and doing well thank you. MORE would be wilson is an insider player who knew from yrs ago that poppy o sells arms and dope for his own personal profits and his syndicate of course This is not about dirty trickster rover gettin even on some liberal named wilson.. this is about sales and the bush family are arms salesmen ..Its all in their history..books still very much available..

by **antiaristo** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:38 pm

sunny, if you mean this one, it is well worth posting in its entirety. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>THE REAL SMOKING GUN IN THE VALERIE PLAME CASE IS SO BIG IT IS NUCLEAR Excellent and let me add a few points. First, I observe that by far the biggest political tsunami ever appears to be on the verge of unfolding before our very eyes. President Bush and many high government officials may be directly implicated in previously unthinkable ways. It only seems to depend on the courage and integrity of Fitzgerald to pull the trigger. For our nation's sake let us pray he has that integrity, as the evidence he has appears to expose just how corrupt our leaders, both conservative impostors working with phony anti-war liberals, really are. Summarizing, it appears that evidence exists that many key players in the Bush administration took us into this war through what the law defines as fraud, by the deliberate use of forgeries (the yellowcake documents) to tip the scales on the side of war, a war that without these documents most probably would not have materialized. The American public's historic reluctance for war is understandable, but the yellowcake documents after 911 painted a picture of our national security being under grave foreign threat. But they were forgeries and the government officials who wanted war real bad knew it and are the same ones that hid it from us. And months later when the CIA threatened to expose all by an apparent diligent investigation (which is why we assume they exist to begin with. And even if Joseph Wilson had later erred in many respects, at the time the Bush administration didn't know it and was determined to destroy him). Valerie Plame's CIA cover identity was outed to stop that investigation in it's tracks and discredit it. It did that, and the war went on, and on. This “outing” now fits the legal definition of another charge, obstruction of justice. The story that it was just a typical political Washington "payback" for Wilson's previous article, was on the face of it only an attempt to minimize the true crime of a larger prior fraud to get the nation into war. That exposing Plame entailed great legal risk but was done anyway, and speaks of intent, is supported by the great secrecy surrounding it from the outset. They knew it was illegal all along or it would have been more open. But most earth-shattering of all, if that is possible, is that according to the real governing legal authority in this case, which is Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 USC 794 (from the Federal Espionage Act), Plame's outing, whether known to be illegal or not by it's direct and indirect doers, constitutes TREASON because it made public and available to our enemies, with full knowledge that action would do that, significant classified U.S. intelligence. Not only is that treason, but because it is treason during wartime, the maximum legal penalty for such offenses is death. Keep in mind the actors in this were seasoned big-time pro’s, they knew the issues at stake. Also according to John W. Dean, the former counsel to President Nixon during Watergate, and one who should know about such things: "Why the Federal Conspiracy and Fraud Statutes May Apply Here...This elegantly simple law has snared countless people working for, or with, the federal government. Suppose a conspiracy is in progress. Even those who come in later, and who share in the purpose of the conspiracy, can become responsible for all that has gone on before they joined. They need not realize they are breaking the law; they need only have joined the conspiracy."  "Most likely, in this instance the conspiracy would be a conspiracy to defraud - for the broad federal fraud statute, too, may apply here. If two federal government employees agree to undertake actions that are not within the scope of their employment, they can be found guilty of defrauding the U.S. by depriving it of the "faithful and honest services of its employee." It is difficult to imagine that President Bush is going to say he hired anyone to call reporters to wreak more havoc on Valerie Plame. Thus, anyone who did so - or helped another to do so - was acting outside the scope of his or her employment, and may be open to a fraud prosecution." "What counts as "fraud" under the statute? Simply put, "any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing, or defeating the lawful function of any department of government." (Emphasis added.) If telephoning reporters to further destroy a CIA asset whose identity has been revealed, and whose safety is now in jeopardy, does not fit this description, I would be quite surprised." "If Newsweek is correct that Karl Rove declared Valerie Plame Wilson "fair game," then he should make sure he's got a good criminal lawyer, for he made need one. I've only suggested the most obvious criminal statute that might come into play for those who exploit the leak of a CIA asset's identity. There are others." Strangely all previous media reporting and legal experts quoted has totally ignored these laws and focused more on the pretty harmless Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 (PL97-200, 50 U.S. Code Secs. 421–426) a United States law which makes it a federal crime to knowingly reveal the identity of a covert CIA agent, as if collectively taking an active hand in helping the administration politically. Victoria Toensing who was involved in writing this law surely has by her vast knowledge and legal scholarship to know it is not the applicable law in the Valerie Plame case, and that the Federal Espionage Act at minimum may be) yet that is all she talks about on TV to criticize Fitzgerald's case. She with me at least has lost a ton of credibility. Is she another Armstrong Williams? Whatever, call me a former fan. Anyway in a scenario with the above elements, whether or not Bush himself is directly implicated at this point seems irrelevant, the fact that his closest advisors appear on the verge of it, and that he has stood by them for so long either in ignorance or in full knowledge only supports gross negligence or incompetence, and would cripple his credibility and presidency completely. Posted by: tickedneocon on October 20, 2005 at 05:30am<hr></blockquote> If Ashcroft had stayed in the saddle these bastards would get away with it. It's clearly a co-ordinated strategy to sell the IIPA. Which, in and of itself, is part of the conspiracy. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/20/05 6:46 pm

by **dbeach** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:36 pm

ANTI link sil vous plait Plame bumped into the treason of the nukes being sold by poppy o and his cohorts or she is in on the sin.. these alleged double agents are tricky indeed.. amd my bet is there are many more..

by **sunny** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:38 pm

anti, the msm may sell it the sheeple for now, but I am really beginning to believe Fitz is going to "pull the trigger" and go for broke. (sorry for mixing metaphors) I am on pins and needles. I can barely contain my impatience with waiting, and pray every morning that we will soon see that long-awaited frog walk. Wonder if bushie will have the balls to pardon himself?

by **antiaristo** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:12 pm

dbeach, It's the haloscan comments on the James Moore article on HuffPost. sunny, A few hypothetical questions. What would make a man put his life on the line? I'd ask you to bear with me. Suppose I am correct. Suppose the Bush clan is the agent of the British Crown? Suppose this treason is seeking to reverse the Declaration of Independence? To revert America to colony status? How might a man whose parents come from Co Clare feel about that? It's not a question of fighting old battles: it's about stopping history from repeating itself. And it's down to the son of a doorman, who has never shown any interest in social climbing. This is no Tony O'Reilly. That's something for which I'd put my own life on the line. By the end of his life (he died at fifty-nine) my own father had too reached the giddy heights of doorman. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/20/05 8:17 pm

by **dbeach** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:29 pm

ANTI I agree with the simple tenet that you have been saying for months on RI The crown is trying to get back the colonies and viceroy ghwbush is the HEART of the TREASON.not cheny not libby not rover NOT wilson not even jr bush in a sense..all are complicit and are integral parts of the TREASON but its GHW Bush who killed and covered-up the mass murders beginning with JFK and he hooked a nation of 60s and 70s kids on DOPE in his role as CIA agent and british spy to dumb them down. It sounds only as absurd as the TRUTH it springs from.. Its daddy bush following in the footsteps of his treasonous father prescott bush and his other relative walker. And IF the Republic falls to this elite international scheme by the scions of royalty and privlege.Then we are alll doomed to a USSR style amerika and you will not live to tell.

by **dbeach** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:35 pm

Poppy o at his most honest moment "Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with Sarah McClendon in December 1992 NOW we are knowing the extent of damage to the Republic. a parasitic cancer named the bush family is about to... TRIUMPH or FULFILL his own words after the Truth becomes popular

by **dbeach** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:48 pm

chilling article..BUT I do agree that the monsters will regroup..they came this far . BUT I also say the Truth seekers are just beginning to come together..the arch criminals have planned and plotted for yrs..and remain at a distict advantage with their private armies and bankers.. "Indictment Is Easy Way Out For Bush Officials Should Rove, Libby, Cheney and others be indicted in the CIA leak case it will be akin to slipping out the back door Steve Watson | October 20 2005 Should Bush Administration Officials be indicted and forced to resign over the Plame case in the coming weeks, the left will undoubtedly declare a major victory for justice and truth. We say that should this happen the truth will consequently be buried and injustice will once again prevail. To see the likes of Rove and Cheney skulking off back into the undergrowth, undoubtedly with massive paychecks will be no victory for the truth movement at all. These men should be held up to account for multiple illegal corporate wranglings, for high treason for the Coup de Tat on 9/11 and for crimes against humanity due to their involvement in the illegal and unjust war in Iraq. Allowing them to get away with simple perjury over the Plame leak case will allow them to return back to what they know best, how to influence Government policy and advance the elite agenda whilst NOT in power. And Whilst many will wait around the front so to speak, cheering and celebrating this "victory", Rove et al will simply sneak out of the back door. Background Two Months ago we reported on the possibility that Indictments were imminent or had already possibly been handed down to leading members of the Bush Administration. The source was Tom Heneghen, a stock broker in California who has sources within intelligence that have revealed many thousands of individuals are sick of the government agenda since 9/11, in addition to their selling out of intelligence officials left right and centre, and are gathering evidence of criminality and taking it to grand juries. The Valerie Plame case is just one such example of this kind of activity, yet according to Heneghan there is much more going on that our media is simply not reporting. Sources close to the jury probe have allegedly told Heneghen a host of administration figures under Bush have been indicted, including Vice President Dick Cheney, Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Cheney advisor Mary Matalin. Heneghen also allegedly told sources White House advisor Karl Rove was indicted for perjury in a major document shredding operation cover-up." <a href="http://infowars.net/articles/october2005/201005indictment.htm">infowars.net/articles/oct...ctment.htm</a>

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