Through the looking glass: Zell Miller on Plamegate

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Through the looking glass: Zell Miller on Plamegate

Postby nomo » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:57 pm

Rule can head off dirty tricks at CIA<br><br>By ZELL MILLER<br>Published on: 11/02/05<br><br>It's like a spy thriller. Institutional rivalries and political loyalties<br>have fostered an intelligence officer's resentment against the government.<br>Suddenly, an opportunity appears for the agent to undercut the national<br>leadership. A vital question of intelligence forms the core justification<br>for controversial military actions by the current leaders. If this agent<br>can get in the middle of that question, distort that information and make<br>it public, the agent might foster regime change in the upcoming election.<br><br>But the rules on agents are clear. They can't purposely distort gathered<br>intelligence, go public with secret information or use their position or<br>information to manipulate domestic elections or matters without risking<br>their job or jail.<br><br>But their spouse can!<br><br>The agent realizes her spouse can go out on behalf of the spy agency, can<br>distort information, go public with classified information and use all<br>this spy-agency-sponsored material and credentials to try to pull down the<br>current government, and it is all perfectly legal.<br><br>Suppose the spouse adds just one more brilliant, well-aimed lie: claim<br>your foremost political opponent put the spouse up to the trip. As your<br>spouse uses your agency's name to mount attacks, your enemy may fall into<br>your trap. Will your enemy suffer your spouse's lies or take the bait and<br>try to clarify his non-role? If he tells the press he didn't hire your<br>spouse, the press will demand to know, "Then who did?"<br><br>Instead of you violating secrecy laws, it is your victim who is guilty<br>because he tried to set the record straight. Heads, you win; tails, he<br>loses.<br><br>It sounds unbelievable, a fiction, perhaps to be called "To Sting a King."<br>But it is no fiction. This is the story behind Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson<br>and the Bush administration. And it appears that Plame and Wilson will get<br>away with the biggest sting operation ever.<br><br>No one seems to care that our intelligence agency has crippled our<br>president. Certainly not the media. They are determined to make Wilson a<br>hero. Recall the dozens of times the Washington Post and The New York<br>Times carried his lies on the front page, above the fold. The conclusive<br>story discrediting Wilson was buried 6 feet deep, back by the obituaries.<br><br>To the media, it doesn't matter that the Senate Select Committee on<br>Intelligence says Wilson lied about what he did and with whom he met while<br>investigating Iraqi attempts to purchase "yellowcake" uranium.<br><br>To the media, it doesn't matter that the CIA says what Wilson did actually<br>find supported that Iraq was attempting to buy the uranium — a direct<br>contradiction to Wilson's public claims.<br><br>To the media, it doesn't matter that he claimed the vice president<br>assigned him to the uranium investigation when we all know now it was his<br>wife.<br><br>Some absurdly claim that Plame had nothing to do with her husband's<br>political activities against President Bush. But let it be clear. Plame<br>could not have done what Wilson did and gotten away with it. Wilson could<br>not have done what he did without Plame giving him a way to do it.<br><br>Something has to be done. We can't let the CIA become the domestic dirty<br>tricks shop, with Republican and Democratic agents each trying to pull<br>down their opposing presidents.<br><br>We need a Plame rule. Any family member of a CIA agent tapped to help out<br>must live by the same rules regarding information disclosure and domestic<br>political manipulations as those imposed on the agent. If the family<br>member fails to live by those rules, the agent is terminated.<br><br>Clearly this will restrict the flexibility of the CIA. But who ever<br>thought that the flexibility given to CIA agents would be misused to<br>destabilize a U.S. president? No one — until Valerie Plame.<br><br>Zell Miller is a former Georgia governor and U.S. senator.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/1105/02edmiller.html">www.ajc.com/opinion/conte...iller.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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I can't hear the syllables "Zell Miller"...

Postby banned » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:03 pm

...without seeing Will Forte's parody on SNL, screaming till the veins in his forehead bulge.<br><br>Zell is a fucking lunatic. <p></p><i></i>
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Through the Looking Glass ...

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:32 pm

with a Fucking Lunatic is RIGHT.<br><br>Jeez, what's downwright spooky is that some people probably think Zell Miller is a mighty sharp blade ...<br><br>His thesis that Wilson 'made up' his evidence -- surely that's not TRUE? Not that I think Wilson OR Valerie let alone the CIA folks are straight shooters, but cripes, the GOP is the highest concentration of foul, reeking, corrupt sludge in Washington, followed by the DNC. The BIGGER fraud which Plamegate is related to, of course, is the Treason and Betrayal and High Crimes and Crime Against Peace of the fakery and trickery in 'selling' the Iraq War -- easy enough to see on which side of the Prison Gate Miller belongs ...<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1597">independent.org/newsroom/...sp?id=1597</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Our Greatest Criminals Are Never Charged With Their Greatest Crimes <br>October 31, 2005<br>Robert Higgs<br><br>-excerpt-<br><br>At Nuremberg, crimes against the peace were defined to include the “planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties.” In view of everything now known to the whole world, can anyone deny that a large number of the leaders and important private cheerleaders of the Bush administration constitute the “leaders, organizers, instigators, and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a Common Plan or Conspiracy to commit” a war of aggression against Iraq? Every official rationale for planning, launching, and continuing this war has now been revealed as bogus. The Bush cabal plainly wanted a war with Iraq, schemed to carry out such a war, and did carry it out, notwithstanding the absence of a shred of reliable evidence that Iraq posed a serious threat to the United States. Isn’t this sequence of actions precisely what is meant by a “war of aggression”? If so, why is the same crime for which German officials were indicted not an equally proper ground on which to rest an indictment of U.S. officials? After all, the Germans too had excuses and public rationales.<br><br>The U.S. Constitution states in Article VI, “This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.” One such treaty is the Charter of the United Nations, signed by representatives of the United States and ratified by the Senate in 1945. Among many other relevant provisions, that charter pledges its signatories as follows: “All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.” Further, “all Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”<br><br>The UN Charter recognizes each member state’s right of self-defense “if an armed attack occurs against” that state, but it explicitly condemns preventive wars, which the Bush administration has made the centerpiece of its national security strategy. In current official U.S. parlance, “the best defense is a good offense.” As the president himself has declared, “America will act against . . . emerging threats before they are fully formed.” Indeed, before they even exist—can’t be too careful, it seems.<br><br>By violating the UN Charter, which the U.S. Constitution makes part of the supreme law of the land, President George W. Bush has violated that law. He has further violated his oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution by taking the armed forces to war without a congressional declaration of war. The failure of Congress to protest his impudence is immaterial to this violation, in which Congress itself has chosen, by funding the war, to serve as the president’s accomplice rather than checking and balancing his exercise of unconstitutional power as the Framers intended. Inasmuch as President Bush has so clearly violated his oath of office, exceeded his constitutional power, and contravened the supreme law of the land, one wonders why he has not been impeached for his high crimes. Can the answer be that we now live in a lawless society, where the strong simply do as they please, notwithstanding anything to the contrary in the Constitution or the laws?<br><br>In Iraq, U.S. forces have brought death to tens of thousands, most of them noncombatants, and physical injuries to countless others. They have wreaked vast damages to property by bombing, shelling, shooting, and other violent means. They have brought about conditions of life for ordinary Iraqis marked by rampant crime, unemployment, impoverishment, and extreme insecurity of life, health, and property, as well as criminal looting by everyone from the highest state officials to the lowest street thugs. Such are the fruits of the U.S. government’s war of aggression—war crimes and crimes against humanity laid atop its crimes against the peace.<br><br>Yet, to date, all we have to show for the legal process against top U.S. officials is an indictment for one apparatchik’s workaday dirty tricks—the sort of thing countless government flunkies do every day of the week. Be grateful for small blessings, we might tell ourselves. All right: so far, so good, Mr. Fitzgerald. You’ve gone the first yard. Still, you have miles and miles ahead of you if justice is to be served.<br><br>*****<br>I didn't put a whole lotta faith in Fitzgerald's indictment cutting a wide swath through the reigning oligarchs' power, connections and influence, so I'm not very dissapointed in Scooter being made the token scapegoat for institutionalized Crimes and Fraud of Empire.<br><br>Still, it's just too damn bad the whole ship of state hasn't been legally scuttled.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Through the Looking Glass ...

Postby antiaristo » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:53 am

Heya Starman,<br>You've registered!<br>I always knew we'd make an honest man of you.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Antiaristo sed:

Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:59 pm

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Heya Starman,<br>You've registered!<br>I always knew we'd make an honest man of you. <br><br>****<br>You NOTICED!<br>Damn, some awful sharp peeples here.<br><br>Ya, I finally 'broke-down' and registered -- actually, it was Seventhson's cross-pollination thread-request that inspired me -- but when the EZ Board registration asked for my bloody phone number, and didn't accept my transposed number as legit, that I said the hell with it -- tho EZ Board processed my reg. anyway, sending e-mail confirmation. So the 'deed' is done and I'm *official*, finally. Don't know that I didn't prefer being an outlaw, but ...<br><br>I apologize for not taking a more active role in discussion, but it's been a challenge just to stay nominally and occasionally current on some of the topic threads -- a lot of great comments and observations. I've been taking a back-seat position, trying to diversify my time and attention. I should have some time in the next several weeks to read closer and sound-off more.<br><br>Thanks for the Howdy!<br><br>Peace and Light ...<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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what's scary

Postby maggrwaggr » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:55 am

is that my Dad is with Zell Miller on this one.<br><br>Needless to say, me and Dad don't talk a lot these days. And when we do, we avoid politics.<br><br>My Dad's a fucking nutcase. Which is odd, because he didn't used to be. He used to actually think for himself, even though he was a top-secret weapons developer for the military. But now? Just a propaganda echo-chamber. It's sad. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what's scary

Postby RickTurpin » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:02 am

Sounds scary !<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://jfk.shorturl.com">jfk.shorturl.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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