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plame games:internet exposes agent - madsen exposes self

Postby hmm » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:13 am

Last week a article appeared, seemingly out of the blue, that claimed CIA NOC's are easy to discover.<br>Its implication is that plame's cover wasnt really blown.<br><br>While checking out the background to this story some i came across some information that blows more than one agents cover.<br><br>It comes down to a simple choice.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>either the owner of cryptome.org or Wayne Madsen is lying about the names and identity of 2 CIA NOC's.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>think what that means..<br>why would Wayne Madsen, who goes into such detail naming names, lie about the identity of 2 CIA NOC's.<br><br>the piece in the chicago tribune published March 12, 2006:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-060311ciamain-story,1,123362.story?page=1&ctrack=1&cset=true&coll=chi-news-hed">www.chicagotribune.com/ne...i-news-hed</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Internet blows CIA cover<br>It's easy to track America's covert operatives. All you need to know is how to navigate the Internet.<br><br>By John Crewdson<br>Tribune senior correspondent<br>Published March 12, 2006<br><br>WASHINGTON -- She is 52 years old, married, grew up in the Kansas City suburbs and now lives in Virginia, in a new three-bedroom house.<br><br>Anyone who can qualify for a subscription to one of the online services that compile public information also can learn that she is a CIA employee who, over the past decade, has been assigned to several American embassies in Europe.<br><br>The CIA asked the Tribune not to publish her name because she is a covert operative, and the newspaper agreed. But unbeknown to the CIA, her affiliation and those of hundreds of men and women like her have somehow become a matter of public record, thanks to the Internet.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cryptome.org/robert-ellmann.htm">cryptome.org/robert-ellmann.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Chicago Tribune may have gotten their information about Ellmann and Edwards from here: <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://colombia.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/38643.php">colombia.indymedia.org/ne.../38643.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> Plame's employer, Brewster-Jennings, apparently has never tried very hard to hide its activities. Former employees like Jean C. Edwards [Google cache] and Robert Lawrence Ellman [Google cache] even advertise their association with the company on the Internet! They were doing so before Brewster-Jennings and Valerie Plame came to light and they still are. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Indy article came out on Tuesday March 7. The Trib article says they called Edwards the next day, on Wednesday March 8, and that she removed the Brewster-Jennings and CIA references by Thursday the 9th.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Jean Edwards is a Shareholder with Akerman Senterfitt's Washington, D.C. office and a member of the Intellectual Property practice group.<br><br> • <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Central Intelligence Agency, Case Officer, 1989-1995</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> • Congressional Research Service, Intern, 1995-1996<br> • Elexis Corporation, Manufacturing Manager, 1985<br> • <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Brewster-Jenning and Associates, Consultant, 1985-1989</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Wayne Madsen's March 12 piece:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/">www.waynemadsenreport.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>March 12, 2006 -- <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bogus story surfaces on Brewster Jennings and Associates</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> (BJ&A) during AIPAC conference in Washington. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A story written by a Carolyn Kuhn, a pseudonym, suspiciously made its rounds on IndyMedia and other web sites</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> during the recent American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) meeting in Washington, DC. The article falsely claims that BJ&A was not an undercover CIA front firm engaged in pursuing weapons of mass destruction. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The article states that a "Jean C. Edwards" lists "Brewster-Jenning" (misspelled) in Boston as her employer from 1985 to 1989. However, according to CIA officers familiar with BJ&A, the firm was not pulled off the shelf and activated until 1990-91. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->Edwards' resume is reported to be listed on the web site of the Washington law firm Akerman Senterfitt, where she is said to be employed as a patent attorney. The article claims that Edwards was involved with "electrophysiology" -- including behavior modification of dogs -- for a Miami firm before going to work for "Brewster Jenning." The article even bizarrely suggests that behavior-modified dogs could have been used to track uranium in Niger.<br><br>However, Akerman Senterfitt's web site and Edwards' resume contain no references to "Brewster Jennings" or "Brewster Jenning," meaning the Kuhn article is yet another bogus document with obvious neocon fingerprints. The article also claims that a Robert Lawrence Ellmann, a Detroit filmmaker and Czech Republic-based attorney for Jindrichovsky & Partners, lists "Brewster-Jennings & Associates, Boston, USA" on his resume as his employer from 1992 to 1996. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>However, this too, is a false claim.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Cheney speaking to AIPAC March 7. Bogus article on Brewster Jennings and "unimportance" of CIA leak surfaced at same time AIPAC met in Washington. Cheney on Ariel Sharon (of Sabra and Chatilla, Lebanon infamy): "We honor him as one of the great statesmen of our time, and a man of peace."<br><br>The bogus article also lists many "details" (lies and half-truths) about BJ&A's activities in Boston and is as sloppy as the Niger government forgeries on yellowcake uranium. It should be noted that the Israeli disinformation and media intimidation "muscle" activity, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America" or "CAMERA" is also located in Boston and that the "Kuhn" article surfaced as Scooter Libby's defense fund friends (Mel Sembler, James Woolsey, Mary Matalin, Jack Kemp, Dennis Ross, Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S. ambassador to Denmark Stuart Bernstein, and other members of Israel's "Amen Corner"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> were gathered in Washington for the AIPAC conference, which featured a keynote speech from Libby's former boss and co-conspirator Dick Cheney. Democrats who added their seal of approval on AIPAC's conference included former Virginia Governor Mark Warner and Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, two Democratic Leadership Council members, and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>see how many times he says bogus?<br>yet the owner of cryptome.org was confident enough to name names.<br>the names are real.<br>Jean C. Edwards bio now has a 10 year hole between 1985 and 1995 instead of Brewster-Jenning and the Cia.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.akerman.com/public/attorneys/aBiographyPrint.asp?id=908">www.akerman.com/public/at...asp?id=908</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: plame games:internet exposes agent - madsen exposes self

Postby hmm » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:22 am

and there is also this strange plame website..<br><br>it seems to tie in nicely to this mess.<br>Plame is to blame for CIA domestic spying?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tomchristianonline.com/">www.tomchristianonline.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=www.tomchristianonline.com">whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=ww...online.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Creation date: 24 Sep 2005 10:53:39<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tomchristianonline.com/">www.tomchristianonline.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>THE CIA SPIES ON AMERICANS IN AMERICA.<br><br> My name is Tom Christian. I'm an engineer and I live in south Florida.<br><br>I have two degrees: an engineering degree from Cal Tech and an MS degree in Space<br><br>Science and about 10 years of college education total.<br><br> I grew up thinking that the truth was important and the US government belonged to the people. The government acts to protect and promote the well-being of American citizens and is not allowed to overstep its authority. Or at least that's what I thought. You see, the CIA and FBI can violate your civil liberties any way they want, any time they want. And they do. Or at least they did to me. And apparently it's a rather casual thing for them. And what about the congressional lawmakers who are supposed to be watching them and protecting you? They simply cover it up. Skeptical? Not the United States you were raised to believe in? Let me tell you a story. One that all Americans should hear.<br><br> It involves a woman named Valerie Plame and a number of her associates. You may recognize her name. It's been in the news quite a lot since July of 2003 when she was alleged to have been revealed as a CIA employee by someone in the Bush administration. Given the corrupt nature of the Bush administration I would not be surprised at all if the allegations are true. But I don't feel sorry for Valerie. I personally do not like Karl Rove OR Valerie Plame. Why you might ask? Allow me to give you a different perspective on Valerie Plame and her colleagues, one which most Americans don’t have.<br><br> The following is a true story. It's an account of my experience with Valerie<br><br>Plame and her associates which began after I applied for a job at the CIA. It’s in the form<br><br>of a timeline and many of the dates are rough estimates. The writing is also in a very casual<br><br>style which I hope the reader will excuse. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Don't just take Madsen's word it's bogus, take Larisa's

Postby Lexual Chocolate » Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:05 pm

She does her usual brilliant job of discrediting the BS neo-con spin at work on this subject:<br><br>First up is a gem from the The Chicago Tribune , which is a story on Plame that is essentially a).<br>not really news, b). not really accurate, and c). oddly timed. The new meme it seems, and it is a meme because it certainly is not fact, is that Plame had a "soft" cover. How does the Trib establish this latest revelation and determine the durability of her cover?<br><br>The Internets, of course<br><br>snip<br><br>The story itself is misleading, to say nothing of why a paper of note would choose to focus on the "softness" of an officer's cover and not actually look into the damage done when that cover is exposed. Given the amount of time and work I have put into reporting on this topic, I can say with some authority that Plame's cover was covert until it was unveiled by our own government. The old meme was that she was a desk jockey and nothing more, and now the meme is that although she may have been covert, she was not covert enough.<br><br>What the Trib does not mention, however, is the specific way it found this data on the Internet (and I am almost certain here as there are only a few ways such information could be located).<br><br>The Trib most likely took existing agency assets recently leaked to the press (let us say a group of cars identified to be CIA vehicles and much in the public eye now, after that info was leaked), ran the plate numbers of those cars against company ownership documents, using a proprietary database, and looked for a name they recognized, like Plame.<br><br>Incidentally, the proprietary database in this case would be ChoicePoint and anyone familiar with them would remember all too well the felon list in Florida during the 2000 election cycle. It is also important to note that Chertoff and Homeland Security have purchased ChoicePoint technology and information and that ChoicePoint is a vendor of concern for some (if not most) intelligence officers because its technology and information has been part of the brouhaha in the illegal domestic surveillance program running via the NSA or as some might call it, Total Information Awareness (read HERE and HERE).<br><br>In other words, if you have the parameters with which to mine data and you also happen to know what you are looking for, and you also have access to a government owned database that also happens to be run by a public company known to leak as well as mysteriously distort, then you are likely going to find what you are looking for and exactly in the manner that a foreign nation might do upon learning the identity of Plame.<br><br>Congratulations Trib, you have just explained how foreign assets would identify Plame's operations now that they had all the information required to do so. That is the irony.<br><br>The Trib is actually replicating what happened all over the world when Plame was identified. As soon as she was identified to be a CIA operative, in that context, intelligence agencies around the world did just what the Trib did: they took her name, ran it against every company she worked for, using a government database, then ran checks on every one of those companies, and identified every one of those employees.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/karl-shoots-blanks-at-pla_b_17282.html">www.huffingtonpost.com/la...17282.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Just because someone is a CIA Case Officer doesn't necessarily mean they are a NOC. Considering how Jean Edwards screwup on the dates of her employment with "Brewster-Jenning" (sic) is as glaringly obvious as the screwup on the date of the Niger forgeries, I think Larisa is right that this is Rove's pathetic attempt at damage control. I'd say John Crewdson just exposed himself! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I have been saying madsen is bogus

Postby hmm » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:27 pm

and have been for a while,<br>thanks for that link,i had not seen the huffingtonposts piece.<br><br>it is odd that the information showed up on indymedia before the trib piece.<br><br>it is odd that madsen would claim the information is bogus and not the premise.<br><br>if one believes the information and names of the two CIA agents that were posted on cryptome are accurate then madsen is a liar?<br><br>that this shows he is purposely muddying the waters by refering to other unrelated scandals like aipac?<br><br>This is all separate from the trib piece having a bogus premise.<br><br>who planted the bogus RW information on indymedia??<br>and before the trib piece was even published.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I have been saying madsen is bogus

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:54 pm

Just a reminder that conflicting accounts doesn't equal "one of them is lying."<br><br>Also, the Chicago Tribune is one of the Operation Mockingbird papers.<br><br>A major Mockingbird theme to keep people 'on their meds' watching TV and bogus newspapers is that the internet is not just kooky but dangerous to national insecurity.<br><br>The Pentagon's war against readers has kicked up, too.<br>And everyone in the 'Plamegate' tussle behind the curtains of power is using disinfo for 'their side.'<br><br>That's a heap'o'fun to sort out and determine who is "lying."<br><br>I'm jes sayin'...they probably all are but Madsen hasn't blown his creds with me the way Bamford has. Eyes stil open....<br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: when a reagan era ex-nsa spook's account conflicts

Postby hmm » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:29 am

madsen:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>However, Akerman Senterfitt's web site and Edwards' resume contain no references to "Brewster Jennings" or "Brewster Jenning</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->," meaning the Kuhn article is yet another bogus document with obvious neocon fingerprints. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The article also claims that a Robert Lawrence Ellmann, a Detroit filmmaker and Czech Republic-based attorney for Jindrichovsky & Partners, lists "Brewster-Jennings & Associates, Boston, USA" on his resume</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> as his employer from 1992 to 1996. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>However, this too, is a false claim.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>the actual facts we can check for ourselves with our own eyes:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cryptome.org/robert-ellmann.htm">cryptome.org/robert-ellmann.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>22 March 2006. The original Robert Ellmann resume (at age 40) listing Brewster Jennings remains available today at 8:30PM EST:<br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aac.edu/soubory.php/Ellmann_resume.doc?id=573">www.aac.edu/soubory.php/E...doc?id=573</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>This is about a year older than another Ellmann resume (at age 41) which omits the Brewster Jennings listing:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aac.edu/soubory.php/060resume.doc?id=619">www.aac.edu/soubory.php/0...doc?id=619</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>When the reagan era ex-nsa spook tells me to not believe what my own eyes see..<br>can you not see the mistake that was made here?<br>The RW posting on the left wing activist site..<br>Madsen picking up that posting on the day the trib hit piece was published..<br>Madsen ignoring the facts and then attacking the straw men created for that reason..<br><br>this goes beyond mere lying in my eyes. <p></p><i></i>
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