Judith Miller and David Kelly

by **dbeach** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:07 pm

Colonel Quisp..puttin ya in for another promotion I C ya studied up on the bush escape plan..if all else fails go to area 51 and leave with your demonic alien pals. .nd I am sure bush will smirk and nuke planet earth as they fly away to begin the looting of their next prison planet.. its their plan ya know..loot and pilfer forever cuz they are the divine rts of kings..and as such are destined to rule the masses ..nice work if ya can get it.

by **rain** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:29 am

quite spot on. but don't know about the laughter bit tho. I kind of think of or see it as the 'light of compassion'. just finding it a little tough at the moment, not simply because of what's happening, but moreso because so many remain blind to it. and the long history. I mean how many times do we have to go through this ? me, I think I'm done. last turn of the wheel. and btw, all psychopaths, which is a rather harsh term for a particular group, feed on 'loosh', not just the reps. but then so do the rest of us, busy feeding off each other. it's got to be one of the bigger 'secrets', that you're not supposed to see. so dbeach have you too been re-contemplating the 'notions of royalty' and 'divine right of kings' thing. why is it, for the most part, not questioned ? I guess maybe I was hoping, or presuming, we might grow out of it. fat chance. anyway I'm going to re-read Anna's very funny post on Martian TV and get back to work.

by **Byrne** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:13 am

For more information on the subject of David Kelly see <a href="http://www.deadscientists.blogspot.com/">www.deadscientists.blogspot.com/</a> The site exposes flaws, errors & ommissions in the coroner's inquest into Kellys death & the Hutton Report. Judith Miller is mentioned a few times, so are the characters of Olivia Bosch & Mai Pederson, who I reckon are worth further research.

by **dbeach** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:10 am

divine rt of kings seems to be part of the bushes agenda..only the royalty should rule the planet and the rest should kiss their boots as they kick us in the teeth. Positive vibes do charge us humans up and do weaken the enemy loosh eaters..this is war...a battle for the control of your very soul

by **antiaristo** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:24 pm

Lets look at the timeline here (all 2003) 12 January SOTU “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa” 6 July Wilson op-ed debunks uranium claim 8 July Miller meets Libby, given some document 14 July Novak outs Plame/Brewster Jennings 17 July Kelly writes to Miller about “dark actors playing games” 18 July Kelly found dead 19 July Miller connects herself with Kelly Here’s a randomly selected contemporary story (from the Sunday Mail) ==================== DARK ACTORS PLAYING GAMES How suicide scientist described tormentors in final email to friend; DEATH OF A FALL GUY Jamie Macaskill 20 July 2003 SUICIDE scientist Dr David Kelly warned a friend that "dark actors" were working against him just hours before his death. Dr Kelly revealed his fears shortly before killing himself after being dragged into the row over the Government's justification for war in Iraq. In an email to American author Judy Miller, sent just before he left his home for the last time, he referred to "many dark actors playing games". But, according to Miller, Dr Kelly gave no indication he was depressed or planning to take his own life. He told her he would wait "until the end of the week" before deciding his next move following his traumatic appearance before a House of Commons select committee. Yesterday, Miller said she believed the "dark forces" Dr Kelly was referring to were in the secret services and Ministry of Defence. They have already been accused of using Dr Kelly as a "scapegoat" in a bitter row between the Government, whose offensive was led by Tony Blair's spin doctor Alastair Campbell, and the BBC. Miller, who lives in New York, said: "Based on earlier conversations with Dr Kelly, the words seemed to refer to people within the Ministry of Defence and Britain's intelligence agencies with whom he had often sparred over interpretations of intelligence reports." Friends fear he could not cope with the ordeal of being publicly outed as one of the expert sources used by BBC reporter Andrew Gilligan for a story claiming Government spin doctors had hyped intelligence reports to justify war. Yesterday, it emerged he had been threatened with criminal prosecution and the loss of his pension if he did not co-operate with a Ministry of Defence inquiry sanctioned by Downing Street. And, days before his death, he had been dragged before a Parliamentary committee, questioned ferociously and ordered to identify every journalist he had ever met. He killed himself just days after his traumatic appearance before the Foreign Affairs Committee, which his wife claimed had made him "very stressed and angry". Dr Kelly's body was found near his home in Oxfordshire on Friday. Police said yesterday he had bled to death from a wound on his left wrist. A knife and an empty packet of Co- Proxamol painkilling tablets were found beside his body but police would not confirm that a letter was also discovered. Speaking at Wantage police station, Acting Superintendent David Purnell confirmed the body found on Harrowdown Hill at 9.20am on Friday had been formally identified as 59-year-old Dr Kelly. He said: "A post-mortem has revealed that the cause of death was haemorrhaging from a wound to his left wrist. "The injury is consistent with having been caused by a bladed object. "We have recovered a knife and an open packet of Co-Proxamol tablets at the scene. "While our enquiries are continuing, there is no indication at this stage of any other party being involved." Dr Kelly died just three days after his televised appearance before the House of Commons' Foreign Affairs Committee. He had been summoned to give evidence after being named by the MoD and Downing Street as the source of the controversial story by BBC correspondent Gilligan. The story claimed the Government had deliberately "sexed up" a document, giving its justification for invading Iraq by claiming Saddam Hussein could deploy weapons of mass destruction in just 45 minutes. At the committee hearing, Dr Kelly, appearing ashen and barely audible, said he did not believe he had been Gilligan's main source. The MoD has always insisted Dr Kelly volunteered to appear before the committee after admitting to MoD bosses that he had spoken to Gilligan before his story was aired at the end of May. The MoD claimed it had reprimanded Dr Kelly for speaking to a journalist but said that had been the only action taken against him. And they claimed he had voluntarily come forward after realising he may have been Gilligan's source. But he was only questioned by his bosses after a colleague alerted Dr Kelly's line manager. And, yesterday, it also emerged that Dr Kelly had been warned by MoD bosses that he could be prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act and could lose his pension - a year before his planned retirement. Shortly before his death, Dr Kelly returned from an MoD safehouse where, it is claimed, he was again grilled by MoD bosses. He provided a list of journalists he had spoken to, as requested by the Foreign Affairs Committee. It was in the last few hours before he set off on a walk from his home in Southmoor, near Abingdon, telling his wife that he was "stretching his legs", that he sent his final emails. In one, to Professor Alastair Hay, he said he was looking forward to returning to Baghdad where he worked as a weapons inspector. The email said: "Many thanks for your support. Hopefully it will soon pass and I can get to Baghdad and get on with the real job." Another associate, who received an email from Dr Kelly shortly before he left the house, said the message was "combative". He had told the friend he was determined to overcome the scandal and again spoke enthusiastically about returning to Iraq. And to Ms Miller, who he helped write a book on the threat of biological weapons, he sent the email mentioning "dark players", which gives damning evidence to the scandal he had been embroiled in. Ironically, it also emerged yesterday that Dr Kelly, one of the leading authorities on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, believed Saddam posed a real threat. However, he had told colleagues that although he believed Saddam had a biological weapons programme, Britain and America would not be able to find the weapons "bolted together". And he is believed to have told a colleague that the Government claim that Saddam could deploy weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes was totally inaccurate, as it would take handlers the same time to even start filling shells with biological compounds. Yesterday, the judicial inquiry announced by Tony Blair hours after being told of Dr Kelly's death was branded a delaying tactic intended to postpone the "blame game". The tactic of announcing an inquiry to stall further discussion on embarrassing issues has been tried several times by governments desperate to sweep something under the carpet. But it spectacularly failed to save Blair's pal Peter Mandelson, the former Northern Ireland Secretary who found himself embroiled in a particularly nasty row over passport applications from the wealthy Hinduja brothers. Mandelson was forced to quit the Cabinet over the row - only to be cleared by the Hammond Inquiry of the accusations he acted improperly. ============================= So, David Kelly is offed and our Judy immediately starts singing like a canary. And what's she saying? She's saying "It wasn't suicide. It was people within the Ministry of Defence and Britain's intelligence agencies..." Don't you think our friend Mr Fitzgerald, with his mandate to go "wherever the evidence takes him", and the "full powers of the attorney general in this matter", might be gazing Eastward?

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:53 pm

I'm still trying to figure out this Mr. Kelly. Very confusing. <a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/00000006DF05.htm">www.spiked-online.com/Pri...06DF05.htm</a>

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:46 pm

Is it possible that Kelly, the British WMD "expert", had knowledge of Plame's US operation and gave that information to Miller? He sure seems to have blabbed a lot to the woman at other times.

by **rain** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:39 am

anti, the Kelly/Miller connection, - and you're right, it is a significant one and I was wondering when someone would put that 2 'n' 2 together. curious isn't it how information gets so neatly compartmentalised, how they hit the wall on fictional lines drawn. - is just one of the side-shows at the Fair. it connects to the dead scientists list and a whole lot of other pieces, including Mike Ruppert and Peak Oil at the Press Club and now Katrina and N.O., with shrubby on air guitar. just a thought I had last night. specifically, who/what is the connection between Italy and the U.K.? I've traced some of the longer, 'hidden' history, eg:Brennius, Brutus, but who/what are the current ones?

by **antiaristo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:30 pm

Excerpts from Democrats' letter to Fitzgerald Furthermore, the original draft of the State of the Union Address stated that “we know that [Hussein] has recently sought to buy uranium in Africa,” but after the White House consulted with the C.I.A., the White House changed the speech to refer to the British view rather than the American view. The final draft stated that the “British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” The parties involved stated that they had no discussions about the credibility of the reporting and the reason for the switch was to identify the source for the uranium claim. However, in response to the uproar over the op-ed article by Ambassador Wilson, C.I.A. Director Tenet issued a statement in which he admitted that C.I.A. officials who reviewed the draft of the State of the Union Address containing the remarks on the Niger-Iraqi uranium deal “raised several concerns about the fragmentary nature of the intelligence with [White House] National Security Council colleagues” and “[s]ome of the language was changed.” Tenet stated that “[f]rom what we know now, Agency officials in the end concurred that the text in the speech was factually correct - i.e. that the British government report said that Iraq sought uranium from Africa.” What this tells us is that although Administration officials, informed by the highest ranking members of our own intelligence operation, knew that the claim of Niger uranium going to Iraq was "weak" and could not be confirmed, they were still determined to use it in the president’s address to Congress and fell back on the dubious language of the British report. The Administration clearly sought to cover up their own officials’ doubts about Iraq’s nuclear capabilities and hide those doubts from the Congress and the U.S. public ..................snip The Administration’s uranium claims thwarted the congressional efforts to delay the start of the war since the Administration used the claims to allege that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program -- despite the failure of the U.N. inspectors to find such a program -- and thus falsely assert that Iraq posed an immediate threat that needed to be nullified without further delay. Concerning the importance of the uranium claims, the report Iraq On The Record, produced by the Minority Staff of the House Committee on Government Reform, states: “Another significant component of the Administration’s nuclear claims was the assertion that Iraq had sought to import uranium from Africa. As one of few new pieces of intelligence, this claim was repeated multiple times by Administration officials as proof that Iraq had reconstituted its nuclear weapons program.” A nuclear-armed Iraq was a key reason, if not the most important reason, used by the Administration to justify the need for a preemptive war against Iraq. Rather than allow the U.N. inspectors to finish their inspections, the results of which might have fueled further congressional efforts and resolutions to stop the war, the Administration commenced the war in March 2003. The Administration’s False And Fraudulent Uranium Claims Arguably Violated Criminal Laws Concerning Communications With Congress ..............snip Additionally, the Downing Street memos should be part of the investigation as to whether one of the several ways in which the Administration deliberately "fixed" the facts and intelligence on uranium included its switch of the language in the State of the Union Address to justify the war. These documents provide valuable insight into the mindset of the Administration the summer preceding the Iraq invasion. <a href="http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8289">bellaciao.org/en/article....ticle=8289</a> While I'm editing let me juxtapose this reply to Qutb from this thread on August 31 Qutb, Sorry to bypass you. Yes, you are partway there. The September 24 Dossier can be traced directly to Alastair Campbell (holder of royal prerogative powers). It did indeed allude to this uranium. But the critical point is not that the information appeared there first, before being used by Cheney, Bush AND POWELL. The critical point is this. The information was debunked IN THE US. The FALLBACK POSITION was to use "The British Government" as the source of authority. The British Government was used to launder forgeries. That happened because the Queen knows she can control the actions of the British Government by authority of the Treason Felony Act. And Bush knows that. Don't you remember the "negotiations" about the wording between the CIA guy and Stephen Hadley? When Hadley said it was "not untrue to state that the British Government has learned..."? The CIA guy was undercut because he could not speak the truth. British perfidy. The British Government was used to launder forgeries. That's why the letter to Falconer is so important. This perfidy is systematic. The roots of your problems lie on this side of the Atlantic. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 9/18/05 12:42 pm

by **antiaristo** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:06 pm

This may be serendipitous, it may be synchronicitous, it may be nothing. But I thought it was interesting that theGuardian published this today. From the archive The Duke of Wellington September 19 1848 Monday September 19, 2005 The Guardian The Duke of Wellington, it seems, has caused bills of indictment to be presented against the Morning Journal, the Age, and the Standard, for libels on his character, which have been found by the London grand jury "true bills". So far as the reputation of the noble duke himself is concerned, this, we are ready to admit, is a matter of supererogation. Atrocious as are the changes that have been brought against him, we do not think that they could have done him any real injury; and therefore there was no necessity for him to come before the public as a complaint. It is part of the tenure of the distinction and dignity of high public characters that they shall be liable to violent and even unjust attacks; and it ill becomes them to be peculiarly sensitive to such. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1573112,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/commen...12,00.html</a> This is interesting because it shows how British democracy operated before Victoria used the Treason Felony Act to create a dictatorship. These are the true laws of England that are my birthright and the birthright of every English born. You see the Duke of Wellington sought permission from a grand jury: today the decision to prosecute is always in the hands of the Crown (Queen). You see the same expressions as are being bandied around in the Plame case - bills of indictment, true bills. And note the date. The year is 1848. Same as the Treason Felony Act. Oh how I'd love to see true bills flowing across the Atlantic!

by **Byrne** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:27 pm

I remember saving this a while back from a usenet or blog, & I'm posting it here as it may shed some light. "This from my friends on the river bank: Hutton is a jigsaw puzzle. And like all the best puzzles there was a piece missing. Some people have found the missing piece, but they keep trying to put it in upside-down. 1998 - Mai Pederson attached to Kelly as UNSCOM translator. 1998 - UNSCOM out of Iraq 1998 - Tom Mangold presents Panorama documentary revealing extensive infiltration of UNSCOM by national security services. 1998+ Pederson / Kelly relationship remains close 2000-2003 MoD becomes suspicious of Kelly's relationship with Pederson. Begins moving Kelly towards the door marked 'exit', but does it quietly so as not to alarm Kelly or his friends overseas. No grading increase, retirement age reduced from 65 to 60, moved to PR role with no access to classified information. May 2003 Gilligan interviews senior member of HMG, who makes the Campbell 45 minute claim 'off the record'. Gilligan cannot run the story without a creditable source, so is pointed to Kelly as 'unattributable' MoD source. Gilligan goes to Kelly, tells him he knows the 45 minute claim is fictitious and plays the 'name game', then goes home and writes up his piece overnight using info from souce 1 effectively attributed to Kelly. Kelly is baffled by Gilligan's interview, but once Gilligan's piece goes out he realises he has been set up. He writes to MoD to admit the unauthorised interview but denies he is the original source of Gilligan's information. Kelly is called to meeting with line managers and told that orders from on high dictate that he will be the 'fall guy' or will lose his pension and find his relationship with Pederson plastered across the front page of the Telegraph and tv news. What Kelly did not realise was that this was a bluff. MoD were well aware of Pederson's actual role and would never have allowed the name to come out in this way at the time. Kelly does as he's told and goes before the parliamentary committee and ISC. This should be the end of it, except that Kelly broods on it and decides he will take steps to clear his name. Unfortunately, to do this he has to admit to the Pederson relationship. throughout the whole saga Kelly has been in close touch with Pederson, who has been reporting back to her masters. On July 17th Kelly tells Pederson he is going to leave his wife and going to the press to clear his name. Pederson reports immediately to her managers, the alarm bells go off in Washington as they believe she is about to be 'outed' and it's "goodnight Vienna". Here's why: The CIA did to Kelly what they did to everyone, lied to him about Iraq's WMD. The difference is that they thought Kelly's position as MoD bio-weapons expert would allow him to influence the policy of HMG. Here's how it was done: Pederson was a US airforce translator working from Arabic to English. After the removal of UNSCOM from Iraq in 1998, evidence of WMD capability came from satellites and smuggled documents. These would land first on the desk of Ms Pederson and her colleagues for translation, before passing to the scientists for analysis, who then advised USG. In the case of Pederson, however, the documents did not come from Iraq, but from the CIA. Pederson 'leaked' fake intelligence to Kelly over an extended period, which she claimed came from smuggled Iraqi documents indicating the existence of WMD. By 2003, Kelly was completely convinced not only of the existence of WMD in Iraq, but also believed he knew what they were and where they were. However, when Kelly attempted to go to Iraq (post invasion) to locate them, he found his was mysteriously barred. On a first occasion his official visa proved worthless and he was turned back at Kuwait. On a second occasion he found himself confined to an airbase for the duration of his stay on security grounds. There may be some evidence that shortly before his death, Kelly became aware of the nature of Pederson's information. In preparation for his next planned visit to Iraq Kelly appears to have shared informaton from Pederson with Gabriele Kraatz-Wadsack, a German army weapons inspector and biological weapons expert. It appears from her reply, however, that she was less than convinced as to the veracity of the information, as made clear by the 'concerns' she expressed. In short, Kelly's death was the result of two conspiracies colliding. The first being the civil war within the cabinet of HMG, which nearly resulted in the exposure of the second, USG's plans to help HMG make up its mind with regard to Iraq's WMD. Ultimately, it wasn't murder or suicide, but a series of unfortunate accidents. Trouble with this jigsaw puzzle is, once you put it together, you realise it's just a part of a much bigger puzzle." My comments: Pederson wasn't CIA or working for the CIA, but for military intelligence (although I suppose she could have been cross-posted); there is no reason to believe Kelly was going to leave his wife; the Iraq warmongering plans go back to the late 1990's, and part of Pederson's job was to 'process' faked Iraq documents to create the intelligence dossier used within the American government to press for war, a process that was so successful it is still influencing opinion in Washington (David Kay's recent comments prove that the whole thing was a lie); Pederson met Kelly, saw a weakness in him, and exploited that weakness through converting him and turning him into a back channel by which the Pentagon could funnel some of this misleading data on Iraq to the British government; Judith Miller may have been a witting or unwitting part of this, buttering Kelly up by praising him in a book and being one of the last persons he e-mailed, perhaps indicating a constant line of communication (with more American intelligence lies on Iraq funneled to Kelly to influence the British government); German Lieutenant-Colonel Gabriele Kraatz-Wadsack may also have played a role in miseducating Kelly by feeding him fake documents, but it is more likely that it was her 'concerns' that started to tip Kelly off to the fact that he had been had; the fact that Gilligan had two sources for his story, one high up in the MoD or elsewhere in the British government, explains why Kelly was confused about the contents of Gilligan's reporting (he thought he was Gilligan's source but couldn't understand where Gilligan got information Kelly hadn't told him; this was so confusing Kelly had started to doubt his own memory), and why Kelly saw 'dark actors playing games', as he knew what he told Gilligan would not in itself be a breach of any confidentiality agreements (but what the secret source told Gilligan would have been, thus setting Kelly up for the treatment he received at the hands of the MoD and Blair's operators); Kelly was being used as a backdoor conduit of information from the Pentagon to the MoD, and simultaneously was used by his female contacts (Pederson and possibly Miller) to get inside information to the Pentagon on the status of thinking on Iraq in the MoD and the progress the MoD was having in motivating the Blair government (despite Hoon's lies about it, Kelly had had a lunch with Hoon not long before all this mess started, showing how well connected he actually was, and how useful he would be as a two-way conduit of information); Kelly honestly believed the lies he was being fed by Pederson until his suspicions were raised in the process of meeting to discuss Blair's dossier, when he began to realize that he was being used, and started the process of discovering what was really going on; fundamentalists in the Bahá'í faith found out about Kelly's misgivings when he gave his presentation to a group of Bahá'í members in October, and manipulated Kelly to keep quiet about his misgivings until after the war so that the defeat of Saddam would open up the Bahá'í pilgrimage sites in Baghdad and revitalize a failing religion (Kelly probably justified this to himself on the basis that Saddam had to be taken out sometime anyway, even though he presented no imminent danger, and Kelly may have still been partly misled by Pederson's documents); the peculiar nuances in Kelly's positions on the war are explained by the fact he was trying to balance his commitment to the truth, his anger at being lied to and manipulated in the creation of the dossier, his gradual realization that Pederson had been feeding him lies over the years, and his continuing loyalty to the Bahá'í faith, whose leaders saw a benefit in the attack on Iraq; Kelly was murdered either because he was regarded as a traitor by someone in the MoD or British Intelligence, or because the Americans feared he would disclose the intelligence nature of the relationship with Pederson and that the information he was being given was Pentagon lies intended to influence British government opinion; and the bottom line is that David Kelly died because he somehow fouled up or threatened to foul up the secret line of communications between American military intelligence to the British government whereby lies, not just those involving Iraq, are fed to the British government to influence British actions along lines favorable to the Pentagon. Do you think that Lord Hutton will have the courage to get close to the truth? That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:49 pm

Oh, shoot, and here I thought for sure Kelly was boinking Judith.

by **Ferry Fey** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:51 pm

DEATH OF DAVID KELLY Harrowdown was the hill where he was found. Original link no longer works. ----------------------------------------------------------- Some esoteric etymological and calendrical considerations. From: <a href="http://66.242.35.139/bbs/message.php?page=2&topic=3&message=125768&mpage=&showweek=">66.242.35.139/bbs/message...&showweek=</a> [compiler unknown, all comments within this are as it was posted on a bulletin board] "Harrowdown Hill is on a ley line. There seem to be some interesting alignments going through the Big Rings henge site. One has too few sites to be called a ley but the churches of Long Wittenharn and Drayton St. Leonard align with the henge, and are about equidistant. A more spectacular line is the one which passes through Dorchester Abbey, the Big Rings, a causewayed ring ditch on the cursus, Windmill Hill, a church by a holy well in Oxford, and two cross-tracks further north. A further line passes through the multi-junction at Berrick Salome, the wood henge on the cursus, the Big Rings, a church in Abingdon and one in Tubney, and Harrowdown Hill, which looks from the map to be a spectacular clump. The name also implies prehistoric associations. These alignments would be an interesting subject for a future field trip if anyone is interested." <a href="http://www.leyhunt.fsnet.co.uk/lhunt86.htm">www.leyhunt.fsnet.co.uk/lhunt86.htm</a> "Ringmer (E). R road 431140; S inhumations; Med castle mound 449144; earthwork c. 456112; PN Harrowdown 14C.-pagan S shrine; Ringmer was the meeting place of a hundred; PN Broyle 13C. ´park´, boundary bank? 478128; PN Delves 447126, clay pits? for late 13C. pottery kiln in Potters Field nearby" "Stedham (W). R road 849210 etc.; barrows 853215 etc.; PN Harrowdown 14C. (site unknown), pagan S shrine; PN Tote Hill 864247, look-out point. " [PN= place name S= Saxon"] <a href="http://www.yeoldesussexpages.co.uk/history/gazetee2.htm">www.yeoldesussexpages.co....zetee2.htm</a> "Famous towns and cities that had the main temples built to the norse gods, in England were named after them: "Woden Weoh (Old English, hallow) Woodnesborough Wye Wednesbury Weedon Wornshill Weyhill Wednesfield Wyham Wensley Weely Whyly Thunær Willey Thunderfield Wiligh Thundersley Wheely Down Thursley Weoloy Thundridge Weeford Tusmore Wyville Tiw Hearg (Old English,sanctuary) Tuesley Harrow Tisœ Harrowden Harrowdown Peper Harrow" "Names copied from the English Heathen Front these guys are a little on the extreme side, I am in no way ascocieated with them other than my interest in Asatru." <a href="http://members.lycos.co.uk/deadlysilence/SiteFiles/Paganism.htm">members.lycos.co.uk/deadl...ganism.htm</a> Map: <a href="http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=438500&y=200500&z=3&">www.streetmap.co.uk/newma...00500&z=3&</a> sv=harrowdown&st=3&tl=Harrowdown+Hill,+Oxfordshire+[Hill/Mountain]&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf "Place-name evidence Many of the towns, villages, fields and parishes that we know today still carry traces of their Pagan origins in their place-names. These can be good indicators for religious practice. The Anglo-Saxon word hearg, for example, means ´sacred grove´ or ´idol´. Hearg has evolved through time to be known as Harrow today. We can identify the location of sacred Saxon sites by the names many places still carry today, such as Harrow in Middlesex, Harrow Hill in Sussex and Harrowden in Bedfordshire." <a href="http://www.channel4.com/history/timeteam/snapshot_anglosaxon.html">www.channel4.com/history/...saxon.html</a> "Even the other "known" ritual concept harg / heorg we find in England such as Harrow on the Hill, Harrowden (in the toe). The "harrow seems to have been a fenced square as ritual places and maybe with stones or poles in pattern inside the square. " <a href="http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~catshaman/23erils2/0Anglo2.htm">freepages.history.rootswe...Anglo2.htm</a> "Q: What is a Harrow? A: Harrow means altar. It is the Modern English form of the Anglo-Saxon hearg: "temple, altar, sanctuary, idol, grove", cognate to the Swedish harg, the German horg, and the Old Icelandic hargr, which refer to altars made of stacked stones and dedicated to a Deity. On these altars, which were usually under the sky, libations of mead (honey wine) or other spirits could be poured out, and various offerings burned or left for the God/dess. This website is a virtual Harrow dedicated to the God Woden (Wodhanaz, Wodan, Odin, Oden, Óðinn), and all the Germanic Gods and Goddesses, upon which you will find my offerings." <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~wodensharrow/faq.html">home.earthlink.net/~woden...w/faq.html</a> "Aius Locutus: A divine voice that shouted a warning to the Romans at the approach of the Gauls in 390 BCE" <a href="http://home.tiscali.be/mauk.haemers/collegium_religionis/deities.htm">home.tiscali.be/mauk.haem...eities.htm</a> July 18 -- the day David Kelly´s body was found "18-138 14:54 The Festival of Aius Locutus" ["A few comments: following is a calender of the Roman year; I utilize the standard form of months of thirty and thirty-one days. The second number after the date is the degree of the sun from March 1. By ignoring the dates of 31, the calender easily fit into the 360 degree circle. The harmony of the dates and degrees makes this arrangement attractive. You might notice that I am missing a degree at the end. The elegance of this far overrides the science. The length of the day is also stated, since this changes each day. Divide this period by 12 to get the length of the Roman hour for that day. F is a lawful day, N (nefastus) is an unlawful day, NP is a half day (nefastus parte), or EN (endotercisi) when business may be conducted at midday. The first number is the day of the month; then there is the degree of the sun from the first day of the year; finally there is the length of daylight on that day; finally, Roman calendar nomenclature describing the day."] "THE ARA OF AIUS LOCUTIUS. In 1820, while excavations were proceeding near the western corner of the Palatine (at the spot marked No. 7, on the plan, page 106, of "Ancient Rome"), an altar was discovered, of archaic type, inscribed with the following dedication: "Sacred to a Divinity, whether male or female. Caius Sextius Calvinus, son of Caius, praetor, has restored this altar by decree of the Senate." Nibby and Mommsen believe Calvinus to be the magistrate mentioned twice by Cicero as a candidate against Glaucias in the contest for the praetorship of 125 B.C. They also identify the altar as (a restoration of) the one raised behind the Temple of Vesta, in the "lower New Street," in memory of the mysterious voice announcing the invasion of the Gauls, in the stillness of the night, and warning the citizens to strengthen the walls of their city. The voice was attributed to a local Genius, whom the people named Aius Loquens or Locutius. As a rule, the priests refrained from mentioning in public prayers the name and sex of new and slightly known divinities, especially of local Genii, to which they objected for two reasons: first, because there was danger of vitiating the ceremony by a false invocation; secondly, because it was prudent not to reveal the true name of these tutelary gods to the enemy of the commonwealth, lest in case of war or siege he could force them to abandon the defence of that special place, by mysterious and violent rites. The formula si deus si dea, "whether god or goddess," is a consequence of this superstition; its use is not uncommon on ancient altars; Servius describes a shield dedicated on the Capitol to the Genius of Rome, with the inscription:GENIO URBIS ROMAE SIVE MAS SIVE FEMINA, "to the tutelary Genius of the city of Rome, whether masculine or feminine." The Palatine altar, of which I give an illustration, cannot fail to impress the student, on account of its connection with one of the leading events in history, the capture and burning of Rome by the Gauls, 390 B.C." <a href="http://www.ku.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Gazetteer/Places/E">www.ku.edu/history/index/...r/Places/E</a> urope/Italy/Lazio/Roma/Rome/.Texts/Lanciani/LANPAC/2*.html "

by **Pants Elk** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:49 am

Don't forget we've got our own David Kelly Data Dump right here at RI ... documents welcomed ... <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=48.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=48.topic</a>

by **Peachtree Pam** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:03 pm

It seems to me that the intelligence agent, Mai Pederson, working as a translator for UNSCOM, is a far more important element in the death of David Kelly. This is from an article in the New Yorker: "The Kellys’ marriage, like many others, is hard to fathom. He didn’t discuss his work with Janice; he rarely mentioned his conversion to Baha’i to her; and he was away a lot, sometimes in the company of female friends, such as Mai Pederson, an Arab-American military linguist, whom he had met in Iraq. One of Pederson’s ex-husbands told a British newspaper that she was a spy working for American military intelligence, a charge she refutes. It was Pederson who introduced Kelly to the Baha’i faith, an offshoot of Islam that preaches the value of spirituality, truth, and universal peace. He spent time in Monterey, California, where she was attached to the Defense Language Institute, and it was there, in 1999, that he became a Baha’i. The Mail on Sunday uncovered evidence that Kelly had received mail at her homes in Alabama and West Virginia." <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/031208fa_fact2">www.newyorker.com/fact/co...08fa_fact2</a> ------- (snip) "Her first husband Cameron Dr Hart, a former US Special Forces combat controller, said in an exclusive interview from his home in Indianapolis: "Mai is a charmer. Her eyes are so beautiful that when she looks at a man, she instantly can wrap him around her little finger" Her second husband, Us Airforce Sergeant Jim Pederson, would concur. He has told friends: mai is a beautiful woman, absolutely stuning. She was very sexy, seductive even, and was always flirting with men. I am not suprised that she became a friend of David Kelly. "Part of her military training was to cultivate anyone who might be able to help her in her intelligence work "It may well have been why she zeroed in on Dr kelly. She undoubtedly viewed him as a potential intelligence source. The two things that obsessed her were the military and the Bahai faith" Born Mai al-Sadat in the Gulf Kingdom of Kuwait, Pederson's fluency in Arabic, German and French impressed her Pentagon bosses. " She was given a top secret clearance, and one of her first jobs was translating military documents', says a US Defence Department insider. " Subsequently, she became a translator and "tour guide" escorting other undercover operatives on assignments in the Middle east'. Jim Pederson told friends: She has always been a spook of one kind of or another'. She is invaluable in this job because she dosent look as though she's in intelligence. She goes in to interrogate someone and she is tiny and beautiful, and she flirts with them, and just sits down and chats. Before they know it they've told her all sorts of stuff. 'The marriage never stood much of a chance from the start. Mai was always going away for months at a time. She was proficent with a gun and in basic unarmed combat and worked undercover for long periods called TDA for Temporary Duty Attachments - in Egypt and I believe Iran. She was a very complex character'. But he stressed: She took marriage very seriously and was not at all promiscuous - just the opposite'. Her first husband believes his exwife's adherance to the bahai Faith was an act of rebellion against her strict Muslim father. In 1999, after the couple separated Mai became a language instructor at the Defense Language Institute, a spy school the USAF runs in Monterey. In her testimony to the Hutton Irguiry last week, Dr Kelly's widow Janice said she knew only a little about her husbands conversion to Baha'i. She added however, that Mai Pederson had been quite influential in her husbands spiritual quest and had become a family friend. On the morning that Janice Kelly gave evidence, later editions of the Times newspaper disclosed the existance of Mai Pederson and of her importance in the life of Dr Kelly. The newspaper is an unapologetic supporter of New Labour and along with the Guardian and Financial Times, was responsible for naming Dr Kelly in the first instance. It gave no clue to the provenance of its story which was printed only in a few thousand copies and not noticed by the rest of the media. During the week the newspaper ran another item - this time about Dr Kelly and the bahai Faith - and then yesterday claimed that Mai Pederson could be called as a witness when the Hutton inquiry reconvenes later in the month. The Times quoted a spokesman for the inquiry as saying : It is possible that she may be called to give evidence." <a href="http://www.groupsrv.com/religion/viewtopic.php?p=35676">www.groupsrv.com/religion...hp?p=35676</a> -------- (snip) "Even more interesting, Mai phoned her friend John VonBerg at the Bahai headquarters in California on the day Kelly’s body was found. She told him, "It wasn’t suicide. There will be more coming out of this." John VonBerg, her Bahai leader and friend, claims she also said, "Don’t believe what you read in the newspapers." John VonBerg, an obvious apolitical spiritual seeker, commented, "I do not know where she was coming from. It’s very mysterious to us."41 Unfortunately, not a peep has been heard from Mai since then. She is currently being held in isolation from all media at Maxwell-Gunter US Air Force base near Montgomery, Alabama, where she is stationed. According to the Mail on Sunday (UK), on September 7, 2003, a Pentagon spokesman said, "I can tellyou emphatically that we are not hiding her." A US Air Force spokesman said that her work number is still located in the Pentagon’s internal phone book but her extension is not working. Her last known home phone number in a Washington suburb has been reassigned." <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO401A.html">www.globalresearch.ca/art...O401A.html</a>

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