Editorial in mainstream paper defends Oliver Stone's 'JFK'

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Editorial in mainstream paper defends Oliver Stone's 'JFK'

Postby john darmy » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:46 pm

Many of you have probably already read my story about how I got blacklisted and worse for writing about conspiracies in the mainstream press, so I won't bore you with the horrible details. But I'm posting one of my articles here because it's a rare example of something positive about 'JFK' getting into the mainstream press.<br> <br>Most of the articles I wrote were book reviews that were published in the South Bend (Ind.) Tribune from 1990 to 1994. I also wrote a story about a JFK conference in Dallas that I attended in the fall of 1992, as well as some articles on the creation of the Assassination Records Review Board. But the editorial I am posting here was probably the one that got me in the hottest water. We had a guest editorial spot almost every day in the paper, so I asked if I could use it to write about the controversy surrounding the Oliver Stone film. To my surprise, they said OK. <br><br>One thing that I believe sealed my fate was that South Bend was also the hometown of Notre Dame law professor Robert Blakey, who served as counsel to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the 1970s. As far as I can tell, his job was to cover up CIA involvement in the assassination. So he probably did not appreciate reading this in his hometown newspaper:<br><br>Published in the South Bend Tribune on Tuesday, Jan. 7, 1992<br><br>Oliver Stone's 'JFK' might open up more minds to the truth<br><br>By MATT BEAL<br><br>I was just a third-grader at Jefferson School in South Bend when President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963, but I still remember it vividly. I was outside playing on the playground during recess when one of the teachers came out of the building and told us the president was dead.<br><br>Those of us who lived nearby were allowed to go home from school early that day, and I remember my mother greeting me at the door in tears. I stayed up later than usual that night to watch the news about the assasssination on television, and I was convinced of Lee Harvey Oswald's guilt.<br><br>I was outside playing again when Jack Ruby murdered Oswald two days later, but when I came inside and heard the news, I remember feeling that justice had been done.<br><br>Like most Americans, I accepted the U.S. government's official explanation of the events in Dallas when the Warren Commission report came out in September 1964. In fact, I don't think I gave it a second thought until the fall of 1974, when I was a student at the University of Michigan. That's when I saw Abraham Zapruder's film of the assassination for the first time.<br><br>A researcher named Jeff Cohen from the Assassination Information Bureau had obtained a copy of the film and brought it with him when he came to Ann Arbor to deliver a lecture on the assassination. I saw the Zapruder film over and over that night, and it was obvious to me that Kennedy had been shot from in front because of the way his entire body was thrown violently backward by the fatal head shot.<br><br>The Warren Commission, of course, concluded only three shots were fired that day and that they were all fired by Oswald from the Texas School Book Depository building behind the limousine. That was just one of a multitude of errors in the Warren Report that Cohen pointed out that night.<br><br>Some of the errors he referred to were so flagrant that it was difficult to believe what he was saying was true. So I started reading the report and some of the books about the assassination that were available at that time.<br><br>Believe me, I didn't want to believe my own government would lie to me. I was a reluctant convert to the conspiracy theory. But the evidence was overwhleming.<br><br>Since that time, I have tried to keep up with the controversy as best I could by reading about the case and watching documentariesd about it on television. I have also told what I have learned to anyone who expressed an interest. And what I have discovered is that for the most part, the only people who still think Oswald was the lone assassin are people who have not bothered to obtain the facts. Fortunately, they are in the minority, according to the latest polls on the subject.<br><br>One of the most outrageous claims made by the legion of columnists who have recently attacked Oliver Stone's film about the assassination, "JFK," is that no one has ever produced any evidence that there was a conspiracy in the assassination. In fact, there are hundreds of credible books and articles available that are loaded with convincing evidence of a conspiracy.<br><br>In the future, some of these skeptics might want to try reading some of this material before revealing their ignorance in a public forum. But that would mean accepting something other than the official government press releases, because the truth about the JFK assassination isn't something the government wants the American public to know.<br><br>Unfortunately, most reporters did buy the official government line, and many continue to do so to this day, despite the lessons of Vietnam, Watergate and the Iran-Contra scandal, to name just a few examples of lies we have been told by our government. For some, to admit the truth would be to acknowledge they had been co-opted all these years. And that is a difficult thing for any journalist to admit.<br><br>Warren Commission apologists have names for people like me. We're known as "conspiracy freaks" or "assassination buffs," as though our interest in this case stems from a morbid fascination with assassinations or a paranoid obsession with conspiracies. In fact, most of us are just ordinary Americans who simply want to know the truth about our government.<br><br>Our desire to learn the truth is not limited to the JFK assassination. We also want to know the truth about the CIA's covert operations in Vietnam, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile and other courtries where democratically elected governments wer overthrown or destabilized as a result of secret U.S. policies.<br><br>And we want to know the truth about the mysterious death last summer of Danny Casolaro, the investigative reporter who was working on a book about allegations that the Justice Department stole computer software from Inslaw Inc., a small computer firm based in Washington.<br><br>We're from the old-fashioned school of thought that democracy means conducting the business of government out in the open. And yet we are depicted as radicals by the mainstream media.<br><br>Our point, and the point Oliver Stone is making in "JFK," is that there are forces controlling our government that we know little about. It will take courage to stand up to them, but unless we do, U.S. policies will continue to be manipulated by this secret government.<br><br>"JFK" is an attempt to remind the American public that the crime of the century is still unsolved, and our government is still hiding the truth from us. It is not likely to cause the CIA, FBI or Congress to open their files to the public, but if it succeeds in getting people to open their minds to the truth, it will have done a great service to the American people. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Editorial in mainstream paper defends Oliver Stone's 'JF

Postby sunny » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:31 pm

john darmy, thank you for writing that and posting it. It was courageous as well as spot-on. Kudos to you. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Editorial in mainstream paper defends Oliver Stone's 'JF

Postby john darmy » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:51 pm

Thanks, sunny. I paid a dear price for it, though. I really don't think I would do it again, knowing now what I didn't know then. That's one reason why I'm trying to get my story out. I want people to know there is a risk in writing about this stuff. The Jesuits don't play around. They have the power to undermine your life without your even being aware of it. My case involves some special circumstances. One reason why I was targeted is that I don't have the financial resources, connections and visibility that some people do. It was not that difficult to isolate me. So, be careful about battling the Jesuits and their pawns in the CIA and the FBI, or you could wind up like me -- blacklisted, isolated and ruined in every significant way. To me, it seems too big of a price to pay in comparison to what I accomplished by speaking out. <p></p><i></i>
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The Jesuits don't play around

Postby * » Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:09 pm

<br> Maybe you could elaborate or, if you've posted elsewhere on this, point us toward the links: we aren't all on the same page here. Thanks in advance..<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Editorial in mainstream paper defends Oliver Stone's 'JF

Postby sunny » Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:21 pm

john darmy, I am so sorry for the price you paid because you innocently believed the truth could and should be told. When I began to learn about well-documented facts that proved a gov't conspiracy killed Kennedy, I couldn't at first understand why the msm weren't shouting it from the roof-tops. Every time they robotically spouted the line "Oswald did it, alone" I died a little, but it was sure an education on how this country operates. The deaths, the character assassinations, etc., that came into play when people tried to expose the truth is a primer to anyone who wants to know how things are done to this day. Studying the murder of JFK can open anyones eyes to a whole spectrum of corruption, crimes, deceit,and manipulation that goes on in America today. They can no longer pull the wool over the eyes of a significant minority of the people because of it, there are too many facts in the public record. Little people like you, and like me, are easy to deal with; we are easily hurt because we don't have the resources or the support systems to fight them. <br>But we can still speak on forums like this, even though it is little more than a catharsis, and we have people here who can and will support each other in spreading the word. Maybe one day, the truth will reach and affect such a mass of people that something can be done about the criminals. That is my hope. <p></p><i></i>
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Jesuits

Postby Pants Elk » Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:35 pm

Anyone care to amplify the reference to Jesuits here?<br><br>I've read Tupper Saussy's "Rulers of Evil" - is that what the reference implies? That the idea behind that book is true? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jesuits

Postby john darmy » Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:15 pm

Here's a good place to start:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showforum=1">s13.invisionfree.com/THE_...howforum=1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jesuits

Postby Pants Elk » Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:17 pm

Ooooooofffffffff!!!!<br><br>Thanks for that (I <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>think</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> ...) - it'll help get my mind off Eyes Wide Shut for a while. Incidentally - do you have a quick soundbite on "Rulers Of Evil" - if you've read it? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jesuits

Postby john darmy » Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:49 pm

I haven't read Rulers of Evil, but I started a separate thread on the Jesuits that contains more information. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jesuits

Postby dbeach » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:41 pm

JFK was murdered by the highest rtanks of the US govt and Military...GHWBush may have been a shooter<br>and that would explain his meteoric rise to power and the bush dynasty..<br><br>When this cabal murdered my boyhood HERO..they committed TREASON of the highest degree..MANY murders,suicides ,plane crashs, drug overdoses<br> since 11/22 63 and particularly 9/11 is all a series of <br>cover-ups to hide their NAZI coup in Dallas..<br><br>ALSO richard kerry who was most likley a CIA agent has a very strange connection to Oswald.His in-laws the Forbes allowed Maria Oswald and Lee Harvey to stay at their TX home.. and in fact the alleged rifle was in the garage of <br>Kerrys relatives .<br><br>Will get the names.. <p></p><i></i>
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richard kerry married forbes

Postby dbeach » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:54 pm

Ruth forbes son let Oswald live with them<br><br>Ruth Forbes is Cousin or aunt of John F Kerry<br><br>[can't figure it out yet..}<br><br>BUT hey no big deal <br><br>FORBES = OPIUM SMUGGLIN in case ya don't know any US History of New Haven CT<br>Prescott bush jr brother of GHW Bush has been a business man in China for yrs..Whata is his business????<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_family">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_family</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"The Forbes family of China and Boston, of which US Senator John Forbes Kerry and John Murray Forbes are members, amassed a huge fortune in the China trade, initially trading North American furs and manufactured goods for tea and other goods from China.<br><br>Forbes also made a considerable fortune smuggling opium during the Opium Wars. The British wanted to keep a monopoly on supplying the Chinese with opium grown in India. However, during the Opium Wars the British ships were prevented from delivering their cargoes of opium and American ship owners such as Forbes, who could sail the final miles, made great amounts of money delivering the cargoes for the British. Forbes family members later engaged in other merchant banking and railroad investment projects around the world.<br><br>Born in France, John Murray Forbes entered the China trade at the behest of his Perkins uncles, and after his brother Tom Forbes died, and thereafter John Murray Forbes was mentored by the Chinese merchant Houqua who considered Forbes to be like a son. Following John Murray Forbes into China were several brothers and cousins, including Francis Blackwell Forbes, the great grandfather of John Forbes Kerry. The Forbes family lived and traded in China at first due to a family connection with the Perkins family. Later, some of the Forbes family sold their China trading interests to the Russell and Company, a shipping empire which was headed by Robert Bennett Forbes, and was later associated with Yale's development and endowment. Yale's Skull and Bones society was founded by William H. Russell, one of the members of the wealthy Russell family, in 1832.<br><br>The Dictionary of American Biography reports that the noted American ship captain Robert Bennet Forbes played "a prominent role in the outbreak of the Chinese Opium War."<br><br>Several of the Forbes family cashed out of their dealings in China after the Opium War, and reinvested in Europe and the United States. Some of the population growth of Chicago and Midwestern Plains states in the middle to late 19th century was due to John Murray Forbes' railroad projects in Michigan and Chicago. The Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad Co., from Chicago west to the Pacific was built by John Murray Forbes who had perhaps a reputation for sound financial management amongst the railroad tycoons of the day. In 1879, William Forbes, son of John Murray Forbes, risked the fortune to financially back Alexander Graham Bell's telephone company, and become president of the company, a risk which paid off. William Cameron Forbes used his wealth to become Governor General of the Philippines. His niece Ruth Forbes Paine Young tapped her Forbes family inheritance to finance the International Peace Academy. Her husband invented the Bell Helicopter used in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In a tiny footnote to history, Ruth Forbes Paine Young's son, Michael R. Paine, and his wife Ruth Paine, allowed Maria Oswald, the wife of Lee Harvey Oswald, to live in their house as a family friend, and Oswald's rifle was stored for a time in the Paine's family garage."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: richard kerry married forbes

Postby dbeach » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:03 pm

Oswald was a criminal patsy<br><br>The scapegoat or fall guy or patsy is always set up before the crime..<br><br>Lok m how the Arabs were used as the scapegoat for 9/11<br>even thougnh some Arabs have involvement they too are used bt the big players<br><br>I think Oswald was a punk BUT he did not murder JFK<br><br>"Rifle <br><br>6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle <br>Serial number C2766 Western Cartridge 160 grain (10.37 g) ammunition Side-mounted Ordnance Optics 4 x 18 scope <br><br>Handgun <br><br>0.38 Special Smith & Wesson Victory revolver 2.25 in bbl <br>Serial number V510210 Converted from 0.38 S&W, shortened from 5 in bbl. The rifle was kept in the basement of family friends, the Paines, cousins of John Forbes Kerry, at whose home Maria Oswald was living at the time. Michael R. Paine was the son of Ruth Forbes Paine, who remarried Arthur Young, the inventor of the Bell helicopter used in Korea and Vietnam. Michael R. Paine and Ruth Forbes Paine Young were Forbes family heirs and as is Sen. Kerry, a coincidence since both he and the assassinated President bear the initials JFK. See Warren Commission report describing testimony of Michael R. Paine and his wife, Ruth Paine. [1] Because of her son's involvement in the assassination, her Forbes family's involvement with drug dealing in China during the Opium War, and her husband's involvement with the military and defense industry, Mrs. Ruth Forbes Paine Young started the International Peace Academy, which have fed rumors about her family's politics. "<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://leeharveyoswald.net/bio.htm">leeharveyoswald.net/bio.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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