Slobodan Miloševic dead - convenient for somebody...

by **Anders** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:24 am

Anders, You will appreciate one of the greatest real-life scams in history. Thanks antiaristo, checking it out now! Although I think the greatest scam is creating 'funny money' out of thin air (via a few key strokes on a computer) by the FED, B of E, BIS in Basle and all the labyrinthine central banks, with the attendant usury and taxes foisted on us all...nice work if you can get it! Anders www.dancingonthebrink.com

by **Anders** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:41 am

Syria? Iran? Lebanon? Really, I think the US in the Middle East and the Balkans today is actually fighting the EU and Russia, and perhaps even China. I believe you are correct, the not so secret secret war, the Dollar v the Euro, the prize being that petrodollars remain the de facto currency - any oil producer defecting to the Euro (Iraq (see schlock and gore for details), Venezuela (see attempted coups and assassination attemps on Chavez), Iran (see all the current nook-u-lar bullshit) needs to pay attention because the USA/Israel/UK shitty alliance will be gunning for them - it is no coincidence that Iran is shortly opening a euro-dominated oil bourse, whilst the likes of Bolt-on and Bumsfeld talk up a unilateral Iranian attack, with Bliar in the background bending over and extending his dirty tongue. The Dollar is bankrupt, and this is now liar's poker, bluff over bluff. And yes ultimately too by going into Iraq and purposely fomenting chaos (ordo ab chao) within the region (hey - why build 13 bases if you plan on leaving anytime soon???), so that Iraq will be used as a staging post, with the secret usa base in Israel, for adventures in Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iran...most definitely the USA/UK/Israel shitty alliance is warning Russia and especially China - don't fuck with us. However the Russians are the finest thinkers on the planet, and the Chinese have a similar history in that regard - IMHO the shitty alliance will be outhought and outmanoeuvered. And as for people saying enough? Never gonna happen. Anders www.dancingonthebrink.com

by **darkbeforedawn** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:00 pm

Please ignore if already posted.... Why Milosevic Was Murdered Tinpot dictator blew the whistle on the New World Order Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 13 2006 Slobodan Milosevic was a distasteful man with authoritarian Communist ideals. But the reasons for his obvious murder revolve around his evergreen willingness to blow the whistle on the global criminal masterminds who had made the mistake of giving 'Slobo' a speaking platform in the first place. Just two days after Milosevic's death the evidence indicating murder has poured in. - Milosevic wrote a letter one day before his death claiming he was being poisoned to death in jail. The lawyer who advised Milosevic during his trial, Azdenko Tomanovic (pictured below) , showed journalists a handwritten letter in which Milosevic wrote: "They would like to poison me. I'm seriously concerned and worried." - Blood tests show that Milosevic's body contained a drug that rendered his usual medication for high blood pressure and his heart condition ineffective, causing the heart attack that led to his death. - The media has spun this to make out as if Milosevic deliberately took the wrong drug so he could seek specialist treatment in Moscow and delay his trial. This is frankly absurd. Milosevic only had access to the drugs provided to him by UN appointed doctors and took them under close surveillance. Are we to believe that Milosevic had managed to set up a secret drugs lab in his closely watched prison prison cell and then substituted the drugs while under constant monitoring? - Milan Babic, a former Croatian Serb leader who testified against Milosevic was "suicided" just six days before Milosevic's death. According to the BBC, tribunal spokeswoman Alexandra Milenov said he had given no indication that he was contemplating suicide. "There was nothing unusual in his demeanor," she said. Another Hague detainee, Slavko Dokmanovic, supposedly killed himself in 1998. - Allegations of suicide were dismissed by British lawyer, Steven Kay QC, who said Milosevic had told him before he was found dead: "I have not come all this way not to see it to the end." - The Globalists have wanted to eliminate Milosevic for a long time. Former MI6 agent Richard Tomlinson said he saw documents in 1992 that discussed assassinating Milosevic by means of a staged car accident, where the driver would be blinded by a flash of light and remote controlled brake failure enacted to cause the crash. This exact same technique was utilized for real in the murder of Princess Diana. Milosevic was a loose cannon with intimate knowledge of the criminality of the Globalists after the IMF/Bilderberg coup de 'tat in Serbia in the 1990's. In March 2002, Milosevic presented the Hague tribunal with FBI documents proving that the United States government and NATO provided financial and military support for Al-Qaeda to aid the Kosovo Liberation Army in its war against Serbia. This didn't go down too well at the Pentagon and the White House, who at the time were trying to sell a war on terror and gearing up to justify invading Iraq. Milosevic made several speeches in which he discussed how a group of shadowy internationalists had caused the chaos in the Balkans because it was the next step on the road to a "new world order." During a February 2000 Serbian Congressional speech, Milosevic stated, "Small Serbia and people in it have demonstrated that resistance is possible. Applied at a broader level, it was organized primarily as a moral and political rebellion against tyranny, hegemony, monopolism, generating hatred, fear and new forms of violence and revenge against champions of freedom among nations and people, such a resistance would stop the escalation of modern time inquisition. Uranium bombs, computer manipulations, drug-addicted young assassins and bribed of blackmailed domestic thugs, promoted to the allies of the new world order, these are the instruments of inquisition which have surpassed, in their cruelty and cynicism, all previous forms of revengeful violence committed against the mankind in the past." Milosevic was far from an angel, but evidence linking him to genocides like Srebrenica, in which 7,000 Muslims died, was continually proven to be fraudulent. In fact, Srebrenica was supposedly a 'UN safe zone', yet just like Rwanda, UN peacekeepers deliberately withdrew and allowed the massacre to unfold, then blamed Milosevic. Milosevic's exposure of UN involvement in the Srebrenica massacre was another reason why tribunal transcripts were heavily edited and censored, and another contributing factor towards his murder.

by **CyberChrist** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:53 pm

<a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/13/D8GASJBG0.html">www.breitbart.com/news/20...SJBG0.html</a> Serbian President Boris Tadic said Monday the U.N. war crimes tribunal is responsible for Slobodan Milosevic's death, but he added that it would not hamper Serbia's future cooperation with the court. "Undoubtedly, Milosevic had demanded a higher level of health care," Tadic said in an interview with The Associated Press. "That right should have been granted to all war crimes defendants." He added, "I think they are responsible for what happened." Milosevic died Saturday of a heart attack in his prison cell near the tribunal in The Hague, Netherlands. The former Serbian president had recently demanded to be temporarily released to go to Moscow for treatment after years of suffering from heart problems and high blood pressure. But the judges refused, ruling that even with Russian guarantees to send him back to the court, they were afraid he would not return. "Unfortunately, today we are getting messages from the tribunal that they are not responsible," Tadic said. "I think they are responsible for what happened." A Dutch toxicologist said Monday that Milosevic was taking antibiotics that diluted prescriptions for his ailments while he was pleading with a U.N. tribunal for permission to get treatment in Russia. Tadic, whose Democratic Party led a popular revolt that toppled Milosevic in 2000, said that despite "the lack of credibility" the tribunal has among Serbs, Serbia will try to hand over more war crimes suspects, including top fugitive Ratko Mladic, a former Bosnian Serb army commander wanted on genocide charges. Milosevic's death "won't jeopardize our cooperation with the tribunal," Tadic said. Tadic reiterated that he would not issue a pardon that would abolish an international arrest warrant for Milosevic's widow, Mirjana Markovic, if she planned to attend his funeral in Belgrade. He said that the ultimate decision on the warrant would be made by a Serbian court Tuesday. "I won't lift the responsibility off the person who is suspected of some very serious crimes in the past," Tadic said. He also said that holding a state funeral for Milosevic "would be highly inappropriate." A Belgrade district court said Monday it would reconsider a demand by Milosevic's family lawyers to waive an arrest warrant for Markovic to enable her to return from Russia and attend the ex-president's funeral. It remains unclear where and how Milosevic will be buried. Markovic, considered the power behind the scenes during Milosevic's warmongering 1990s rule, has been charged here with abuse of power during Milosevic's reign. Some other allegations link her directly to several murders of Milosevic's political opponents. Tadic said he was certain that Milosevic's death would not help his ultranationalist allies regain power in Serbia, despite signs that they have rallied around the policies of their former leader. "Today in Serbia we have a fight (for power) by those who ruled together with Milosevic," Tadic said, referring to Radical Party ultranationalists and Milosevic's Socialists. "But I'm absolutely confident that there will be no turning back on the political scene in Serbia," Tadic said. "Not even Milosevic's death will change Serbia's path toward democracy." -- CyberChrist http://www.hackerjournal.org My brain is hung like a horse.

by **havanagilla** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:37 pm

Today's news here- a prisoner in the highest security prison in ISrae, (Ashmoret), in the solitary, 24 hrs video watched room, for proteced prisoners - Alajem was found dead one day before his testimony in a murder case. Today, the inquiry found that he was suicided/killed by the suspect, Abargel, against whom he was going to testify. It was cianid. And apparently, the accused, a high profile mobster here, VISITED the dead guy himself ONE DAY before the testimony against him, and poisoned the witness. HOW ?

by **antiaristo** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:30 pm

"Conspiracy Theory" is going more mainstream by the day. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Letters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Justice denied in Milosevic trial Monday March 13, 2006 The Guardian Milosevic's sudden death confirms the position on the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) of one of the most scholarly studies produced on the Balkan tragedy. In Fools Crusade: Yugoslavia, Nato and Western Delusions, the author Diana Johnstone notes: "Tribunal indictments being the equivalent of conviction in the court of public opinion, with guilt taken for granted, prosecution and conviction are scarcely necessary, and the next step can be execution. Out of deference to its European supporters, the ICTY can inflict long prison sentences, but not capital punishment. However, the number of unconvicted defendants who have died while in custody of the ICTY or its agents ought to have caused a major scandal in any proper criminal jurisdiction. Defendants appear to run a strong statistical risk of de facto death penalty before being put on trial." Among the unfortunate Serbian victims of this undue process that she cites are Simo Drljaca, Dragan Gagovic, Djordje Djukic, Slavko Dokmanovic and Milan Kovacevic. With this history in mind, it would certainly appear from the evidence about Milosevic's condition, and the refusal by the ICTY of his request to be allowed to go abroad for medical treatment, that the ICTY is again responsible for another death in its custody. Russell Caplan London The death of Slobodan Milosevic in prison while still on trial for "crimes against humanity" underlines the travesty of his trial. I am no defender of Milosevic, but if he were guilty of the heinous crimes for which he was accused, he could have been convicted within months, not the five years he has supposedly been on trial. The evidence was so tenuous in terms of proving he was responsible for the undoubted crimes that took place that no conviction would have been plausible. That's why it is more than convenient that he has died in prison. Just as with Iraq, Iran, Cuba and now Venezuela, where "human rights" are the fig leaf for intervention and aggression, the real crime of all these countries is standing up to US hegemony. Milosevic also refused to accept globalisation and the privatisation of his country's national resources and industries. John Green Aberystwyth, Dyfed The demise of Slobodan Milosevic casts a shadow over the credibility of the Hague tribunal. If the Nuremburg tribunal could dispense justice to a dozen top Nazis in less than 18 months, why not Milosevic in more than four years? Justice delayed has now been denied. Dominic Shelmerdine London<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,1729463,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/letter...63,00.html</a>

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:30 am

I just visited my local Borders to graze the front tables for the latest neurolinguistic programming in the titles. 'Of Rice and Men' took my award for cleverness. No, nothing to do with Condoleeza Rice (wink wink). It was purportedly about Vietnam with a nice red, white, and blue background. (Wonder why we need new narratives about Vietnam I? Could it be...Vietnam II?) I also saw the magazine 'Foreign Affairs' which is the rag put out by the Council on Foreign Relations and tells you what Congress and the CIA are supposed to be doing for the money that owns and runs USA, Inc. <a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.org/">www.foreignaffairs.org/</a> To give you an idea of the ruling function of the CFR , two of the men who have been directors of the CFR- -Allen Dulles -Bill Moyers You may have noticed that NPR and PBS only interview 'experts' from the CFR, American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation, Rand Corporation, etc. 'Foreign Affairs' had a lengthy article on why the International Criminal Court is not a good thing. And it's not. For them, that is. Because they've backed war criminals in the White House who make war crimes national policy since WWII. So discrediting the ICC serves the interests of the CFR. Tsk tsk. They just can't take care of their prisoners. How irresponsible. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 3/14/06 4:07 am

by * » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:13 am

<a href="http://www.iacenter.org/milos/Milos_us-nato-charged032006.htm">US/NATO Charged with Criminal Negligence in Death of Pres. Slobodan Milosevic </a> March 11, 2006 Upon learning of the death of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic in prison in The Hague, Netherlands, on March 12, the International Action Center in the United States joined organizations and individuals around the world in condemning the court, prison authorities and the forces behind them with criminal negligence in ignoring the prisoner’s medical care. The IAC also condemned the International Criminal Tribunal on the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) for holding a “fraudulent trial for the last four years in an attempt to blame President Milosevic and Yugoslavia for NATO’s criminal war in the Balkans.” IAC co-director Sara Flounders said, “The full responsibility for the death of President Slobodan Milosevic lies directly with the fraudulent court created by the U.S. and NATO governments at The Hague – the ICTY. Ever since the illegal kidnapping of President Milosevic from Serbia in June 2001 and his forcible detention at Scheveningen prison on fraudulent war crimes charges, the court has consistently denied adequate medical care.” Flounders cited the last action of the International Committee for the Defense of Slobodan Milosevic (ICDSM) continuing efforts to save the life of the seriously ill defendant. The Defense Committee appealed on March 8 to the 15 ambassadors of the members of the United Nations Security Council. Their letter signed by prominent supporters urged that Milosevic be transferred to Russia under secure guarantees for his return, for emergency medical care, given his critical medical condition, after the ICTY had refused this treatment. The IAC delivered the letters to the UN Security Council members. “During this trial, now over four years old,” said Flounders, “the prosecution failed to present a coherent case against President Milosevic. In addition, his vigorous defense exposed step by step the crimes of the imperialist powers, especially the U.S. and Germany, in conspiring to destroy the Yugoslav Socialist Federation through subversion and direct military assault. As the case was drawing to a close this presented a terrible dilemma for the court.” Flounders traveled with international human rights lawyer Ramsey Clark to Yugoslavia during the U.S.-NATO bombing in the spring of 1999. Based on that trip Flounders met with President Milosevic in Scheveningen prison at The Hague and was on the schedule to be a witness at the trial for the defense on the impact of the NATO bombing. The UN Security Council established the ICTY in 1993, at the insistence of Secretary of State Madeline Albright. Its role from the beginning was restricted to prosecuting solely people from the Yugoslav Federation. Almost all the cases were directed against Serbs and all of the cases served to deflect responsibility from the U.S. and NATO. The ICTY rejected attempts by a group of international attorneys to bring war crimes charges against the United States for the 78 days of bombing primarily civilian targets in Yugoslavia. Ramsey Clark has often described the ICTY’s establishment as “an explicit violation of the UN Charter and a political court used as an instrument of war against the Yugoslav peoples.” The Nobel Laureate Harold Pinter also described the court. “The U.S./NATO court trying Slobodan Milosevic was always totally illegitimate. It could never be taken seriously as a court of justice. Milosevic defense is powerful, convincing, persuasive and impossible to dismiss.” The ICTY received its financing from the U.S. and other NATO powers and from international financial organizations such as those connected with billionaire George Soros, an enemy of socialism in Eastern Europe. Although there was an extremely unequal financing of the ICTY’s prosecution compared with Milosevic’s defense effort, NATO governments still interfered with all attempts to collect funds from human rights organizations to support the Yugoslav president’s effort to make his case. The German and Austrian governments closed the Defense Committee’s bank accounts in both countries in the last few months before Milosevic’s death. Despite having no permanent staff and relatively little legal assistance to respond to 500,000 pages of prosecution documents, Milosevic politically countered every charge against him while discrediting the prosecution witnesses. During the defense part of the trial, he was able to present a damning case against the U.S. and NATO. Though the NATO powers first announced the Milosevic case as the “trial of the century” and planned a show trial, when Milosevic turned the table on the prosecution and counter-charged NATO with war crimes almost all coverage of the trial ended. In two major statements, answering the charges against him in 2001 at the opening of the trial and in 2004 at the opening of his defense, Milosevic makes the historical record. The 2001 statement is published in the 2002 book, “Hidden Agenda – The U.S./NATO Takeover of Yugoslavia,” and his 2004 statement in the book, “The Defense Speaks – For History and the Future.” Both books are published by the IAC. In a statement released by the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic – www.icdsm.org the committee called the courts action: “tantamount to the murder of a man who stood as a symbol of resistance to the New World Order and a symbol of and fighter for the independence and sovereignty of the peoples of Yugoslavia and for social justice in the world. This was his only crime.” The Defense Committee demanded: “that there be an international, independent enquiry into the circumstances and cause of his death and that his family, his party and his supporters be party to that enquiry. We also demand the right of his wife and family to attend his funeral without fear of persecution, arrest or any other impediment to their right to honor their beloved husband, comrade and father.” In a statement made Nov. 29, 2005, exposing the duplicity of the court regarding the inadequate health care provided him; Milosevic made it clear to British judge Ian Bonomy what he thought of the tribunal: “This entire court was envisaged as an instrument of war against my country. It was founded illegally on the basis of an illegal decision and carried through by the forces that waged war against my country. There is just one thing that is true here: It is true that there is a joint criminal enterprise, but not in Belgrade, not with Yugoslavia as its center, but those, who, in a war that was waged in Yugoslavia from 1991 onwards, destroyed Yugoslavia.” - 30 – Decision of the ICTY Trial Chamber: http://www.un.org/icty/milosevic/trialc ... 060224.htm President Milosevic opening statement as the Trial opened is printed in full in the IAC book Hidden Agenda: The U.S./NATO Takeover of Yugoslavia. His statement to the court 2 years later as the defense finally began its rebuttal is printed in full in the IAC book The Defense Speaks – For History and the Future. Both books can be ordered directly from Leftbooks.com International Action Center 39 West 14th St, #206, New York, NY, 10011 www.iacenter.org iacenter@action-mail.org

by **ivanbo2003** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:55 pm

It wasn't illegal... International law is above national(Serbian) laws and even constitutions,and so we are to do what they tell us...It is not fair though,but it is what it is. Anyhow,his family wants to bury him with all the honors but there is a great opposition to that because all the wars and Nato bombings happened while he was the President(and killings all across Serbia).He was responsible as the commander in chief for all of that.There should have been a trial in Serbia(that should covered both ,the Hague allegations and domestic economic and felony acts). BUT,it's not fair to deny a medical treatment to any ill prisoner.It's simply a human right and every one has that right.So,IAC is correct in this part of their statement. It is ironic that his death comes up short for a day(march 11) from a day(march 12) when late Prime Minister Dr. Zoran Djinjic was shot in front of the Serbian Goverment headquarters.The ones who wanted no reforms mourn Milosevic,and the ones who wanted things to change mourn Djindjic.Country is divided(not equaly,more is for reforms).The trial is still on for the conspirators,but the ones behind the scenes are yet to be found(basically war profiteers)

by **thurnandtaxis** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:13 pm

Milosevic's Son Says Father Was 'Killed' By Anthony Deutsch AP THE HAGUE, Netherlands - Slobodan Milosevic's son alleged Tuesday that his father had been "killed," while a U.N. war crimes tribunal official said the court had been told that the late Serb leader had regular access to unprescribed medication and alcohol smuggled into his prison cell. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the tribunal's strict confidentiality rules, told The Associated Press that the unit's prison warden had told the court that he could no longer guarantee Milosevic's health. The official said prison authorities repeatedly found banned material in his cell, including alcohol and unprescribed drugs. Warden Timothy McFadden refused interview requests and U.N. tribunal spokeswoman Alexandra Milenov said the court could not comment "because the investigation into Milosevic's death is ongoing." The tribunal official, who has access to confidential documents on Milosevic's medication use, said two doctors concluded the former Serb leader was intentionally taking drugs that undermined the prescribed medication for his heart ailment. Milosevic, who was defending himself against 66 counts of war crimes, was allowed to work in a private office where he could meet privately with witnesses and legal advisers, making it impossible to monitor material they may have smuggled in to him, the official said. A Dutch toxicologist, Donald Uges, said Monday that blood tests he conducted on samples taken from Milosevic earlier this year uncovered traces of a drug used to treat leprosy or tuberculosis that would neutralize the effects of the beta-blockers he was taking to control his blood pressure. The official said other doctors had found similar results in their tests. U.N. prosecutors complained as early as 2004 that Milosevic was defying his regime of prescribed medication and taking other drugs to manipulate his health to his advantage during court proceedings. The trial was repeatedly interrupted at critical points because of the defendant's ill health. Four Russian medical experts traveled Tuesday to the Netherlands to examine the results, saying they distrusted the findings and the care Milosevic received from U.N. authorities. The former president's son, Marko Milosevic, flew to the Netherlands to claim his father's body . "He got killed. He didn't die. He got killed. There's a murder,"  Marko Milosevic told AP Television News on arriving in Amsterdam for the short drive to The Hague, where his father's body has kept at the National Forensic Institute since his death was discovered Saturday. Milosevic, the Serbian strongman who presided over four Balkan wars and the breakup of Yugoslavia that cost some 250,000 lives, died of a heart attack, according to preliminary autopsy findings. The results of a toxicological examination during the autopsy were due to be released in the coming days, said tribunal spokeswoman Alexandra Milenov. In Courtroom 1 at the tribunal building, meanwhile, the case against Milosevic was declared closed Tuesday. Judge Patrick Robinson, who repeatedly clashed with the combative defendant over four years, said Milosevic's "untimely passing ... terminates these proceedings." A formal order closing the file would be issued shortly, he said. The two-minute hearing brought an abrupt end to the most important war crimes trial in 60 years, in a case that was meant to establish political responsibility for the worst crimes known to man — genocide. It was still unclear where Milosevic would be taken for burial. The family requested a state funeral in Belgrade — although a ceremony with state honors was unlikely to be granted since it could become a rallying point for nationalists and Milosevic loyalists. ... more at link: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060314/ap_on_re_eu/milosevic;_ylt=AiOqh1RhWC0r7s91DFUgk8Ks0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...NlYwM3MjE-</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thurnandtaxis>thurnandtaxis</A> at: 3/14/06 11:14 am

by **dbeach** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:44 pm

Slabo knew plenty.. DU was used throught the Balkans and is currently used in Iraq NATO got more controls during the Balkan crisis Who benefits from Slabos death and who benefitted from the Balkans wars...???

by **CyberChrist** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:26 pm

Of course, the West would NEVER poison any leaders, would they? Remember this? <a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1371999,00.html">observer.guardian.co.uk/i...99,00.html</a> <img src="http://www.crainsdetroit.com/images/random/Yuschenko.jpg" style="border:0;"/> -- CyberChrist http://www.hackerjournal.org My brain is hung like a horse.

by **antiaristo** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:07 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Criminal proceedings The case against Slobodan Milosevic would never have held up in a proper court of law John Laughland Tuesday March 14, 2006 The Guardian I was one of the last western journalists to meet Slobodan Milosevic. Having been called to The Hague as a potential witness, I spent an hour in his cell in January last year. Like most who met him, I found him polite and intelligent. "We will win," he told me. "Freedom is a universal value. They have no evidence against me." Such statements will shock those who have been assured that Milosevic was a nationalist dictator bent on establishing a racially pure Greater Serbia. But civilised societies ought to be reluctant to condone criminal convictions based on hate campaigns. The fact is that Milosevic's enemies have never been able to produce a single rabid nationalist, let alone racist, quotation from his mouth, while in the four years of his trial at The Hague not a single witness has testified that he ordered war crimes. Instead, witnesses have been trooping into The Hague for nearly two years now, testifying that there was neither genocide in Kosovo nor any plan to drive out the civilian ethnic Albanian population, and that Milosevic could not be held responsible either for the break-up of Yugoslavia or the subsequent civil war in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Establishing criminal responsibility is an exact science and the fact is that Milosevic was not in charge of Yugoslavia when it was breaking up. The 1991 order telling the (multi-ethnic) Yugoslavian army to fight the secessionist states, Croatia and Slovenia, was given by the then head of the federal government, Ante Markovic, a darling of the west - and western intervention made the situation much worse. Milosevic is often accused of upsetting the internal balance of the Yugoslavian federal constitution, but few seriously believe that a political system modelled on Switzerland's stood any chance of long surviving Tito. The Hague prosecution issued the original indictment against Milosevic for Kosovo in May 1999, at the height of Nato's attack on Yugoslavia and in apparent justification of it. It was not until a year and a half later, and between seven and 10 years after the events, that the indictments for Bosnia and Croatia were added. This was presumably done because the prosecutors realised that Nato's allegations about genocide in Kosovo could not stand up in court. But the Bosnia and Croatia indictments were problematic too. Milosevic has always denied moral or legal responsibility for the atrocities committed by the Bosnian Serbs, for instance in 1995 at Srebrenica, because, as president of neighbouring Serbia, he was not in charge of Bosnia or the Bosnian Serbs. Even if he had influence over the Bosnian Serbs, that is a long way from criminal responsibility If the international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia were a proper court of law, the charges against him would have been dismissed long ago. Unfortunately, it is a highly politicised organ, created on the initiative of the very states which attacked Yugoslavia in 1999, and whose judges have disgraced themselves by bending the rules to facilitate the prosecution's task. In 2004, the judges imposed defence counsel on Milosevic, even though the ICTY's charter states that defendants have the right to defend themselves, and even though they knew he was too sick to stand trial. On February 24 2006, at the prosecution's insistence, they rejected Milosevic's request to be transferred to a heart clinic: he died a fortnight later. It is corrosive of the core values of western civilisation for the chief Hague prosecutor, Carla del Ponte, now to say that Milosevic escaped justice by dying, for this assumes that "justice" means not due process but a guilty verdict. The day we start to believe that we will have abandoned the rule of law completely. · John Laughland is the author of Le Tribunal Pénal International: Gardien du Nouvel Ordre Mondial (The International Criminal Tribunal: Guardian of the New World Order)<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1730274,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/commen...74,00.html</a> PS Cyber, I thought it was the Russians who were accused of poisoning Yushenko?

by **StarmanSkye** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:33 am

Ivanboe2003 said: "It wasn't illegal." I beg to differ. Kidnapping is ALWAYS illegal -- That's the nature of it, unlawful use of force to restrain a person's freedom of movement and self-determinism. The well-established legal method to remand a person in custody for trial before a court that has necessary jurisdiction entails arrest -- where legal jusrisdictions overlap authority to effect an arrest is obtained via the process of extradition. I think the issue at-cause here is that the Criminal Court for the former Yugoslavia didn't go by established and necessary legal means to place Milosevic into its custody -- possibly because the charges against Milosevic were so obviously contrived and so the Serbian courts who had jurisdiction over Milosevic as a citizen might have had grounds to challenge the ICY's authority and right. As the excellant, powerful and informative article by Laughlin in the Guardian and posted by antiaristo shows, the popular perception that President Milosevic was 'responsible' for the dissolution of Yugoslavia and the terrible crimes that occurred are founded on little more of substance but western PR rhetoric. It ought to be evident that the reason the prosecution's case involved a half-million pages of documents is because its case was so emply of hard facts, damning evidence or compelling testimony. Even someone with only a cursory familiarity with the horrific violence that occurred can hardly help but be aware of the enormous duplicity, fraud and counter-purposes of the major war-powers US, Britain and Germany, with numerous claims and reports shown to be false and most of the civilians who were targetted with bombs or were terrorized or became refugees suffered as the result of NATO actions. The facts in the case of the purposeful, opportunistic dismantling of Yugoslavia are readily available, despite the greatest efforts of the US, Austria, and Germany to bury or obscure them. That was one of the main reasons for the trial of Milosevic -- to make him a public scapegoat for the madness of the war. The following two articles by Prof. Chossudovsky of Global Research are excellant overviews that distill the essence of what the war was about and show who the main protagonists were: Dismantling Yugoslavia, Colonising BosniaDismantling Former Yugoslavia, Recolonizing Bosnia-Herzegovina. by Michel Chossudovsky. Covert Action Quarterly, Spring 1996 ... www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO202G.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages Media Disinformation on the War in Yugoslavia: The Dayton Peace ...Michel Chossudovsky, "Dismantling Yugoslavia, Colonizing Bosnia," in NATO in the Balkans, ed. Sarah Flounders (New York: International Action Center, 199<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> , ... www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle& code=LUC20050907&articleId=899 - 63k - Cached - Similar pages Starman

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Live links to starman's articles: <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&%20code=LUC20050907&articleId=899">Media Disinformation on the War in Yugoslavia: The Dayton Peace Accords Revisited</a> <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO202G.html">NATO and US Government War Crimes in Yugoslavia</a> and: <a href="http://www.swans.com/library/art9/dianaj01.html">FOOLS' CRUSADE Yugoslavia, NATO and Western Delusions(introduction) by Diana Johnstone <a href="http://www.monthlyreview.org/foolscrusade.htm">FOOLS’ CRUSADE(review and table of cont</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I thought it was the Russians who were accused of poisoning ?<hr></blockquote> You're correct, antia. Yushenko was/is the US/IMF candidate and it was Russia he accused of the dastardly deed.

Slobodan Miloševic dead - convenient for somebody...

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Alex jones take on "suicide"

Serbian President blames UN Tribunal

Re: just a little coincidence/corruption

Vox Populi?

This also benefits the Council on Foreign Relations.

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RE:illegal kidnapping

Re: convenient? Son thinks so.

Re: convenient? Son thinks so.

Re: convenient? Son thinks so.

Politically Incorrect?

RE: illegal kidnapping

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