Ken Lay Dead? Sudden Massive Something

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[Hugh Manatee Wins]

How to discredit the internet at every possible turn-<br>Mess with Wikipedia and highlight this in the Mockingbird press which is oh so accurate about WMD and electronic voting and 9/11 and... <p></p><i></i>

[nomo]

I don't think this is about discrediting the Internet, per se... Ken Lay's death, "timed" as it was, was just bound to elicit tons of conspiracy theories. Over at Wikipedia, very much so on DU, and even here.<br><br>Indeed, we should be quite pleased that nobody these days takes "the news" for granted anymore. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Speaking of DU, has anyone else noticed that when an exceptional news day is occuring they always seem to drag out their "DU NEEDS MODERATORS!" shtick and slap it on the home page..? <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

edit: I'm working way too many hours lately..<br><br> <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 7/6/06 12:44 am<br></i>

[NewKid]

Reminds me of a variation on an Alfred Hitchcock tv show. Lay's given a drug to make him comatose for the next few days. It makes him so close to death that it's enough to fool the one doctor who certifies him as dead. But a dummy carcass is prepared to be the actual one that's buried. Meanwhile, the feds suspect Lay may pull a stunt like faking his own death, so they stake out his home and anyone he knows to make sure he doesn't take off until they see him get buried. Suspecting they might do this, Lay will lay comatose pending the funeral and instead be buried with another dead man (in a funeral the same day but in a separate cemetary), only to have the old man "pastor" come and dig him up in the other cemetary that night, where the feds won't suspect he'll be. <br><br>So Lay wakes up in the coffin that night wondering where the pastor is to come dig him up, and flicks open his lighter to get a look at who's inside with him. And it's . . . the pastor!<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.obscurehorror.com/CryptKeeper.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 7/6/06 1:09 am<br></i>

[novistador]

Because of the fact that he was awaiting sentencing and had filed for appeal prior to his death, his conviction has essentially been nullified.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.chron.com/news/specials/enron/">www.chron.com/news/specials/enron/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/enron/4027259.html">www.chron.com/disp/story....27259.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>8<<br>Perhaps even more significant for the civil cases, once the case is vacated it's unlikely Lay's prior indictment and conviction could be used as evidence in any ensuing trials, Smith said.<br><br>"They would have the burden of proof to prove his guilt all over again," Smith said. "It's a mess for the government and the victims, who were probably already counting the money."<br>>8<br><br>hmmm... <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060706/ap_on_bi_ge/obit_lay_22;_ylt=ApQ1P0RpD6I10b1d_kjgHLoh2.cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw–">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...HNlYwNmYw–</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Dr. Robert Kurtzman, Mesa County Coroner, said his autopsy showed Lay <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>died of heart disease</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> while on vacation in Aspen, Colo.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Kurtzman said the autopsy revealed that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Lay had a heart attack in the past.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Pitkin, Colo., Sheriff's Department said <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>officers were called to Lay's house</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in Old Snowmass, Colo., shortly after 1 a.m. MDT (3 a.m. EDT). He was taken to Aspen Valley Hospital, where he died at 3:11 a.m., said Pat Worcester, executive assistant to the Aspen hospital's chief executive.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"The president has described Ken Lay as an acquaintance. And <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>many of the president's acquaintances have passed on during his time in office," Snow said.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>"heart disease" is a far from a "massive heart attack" and sounds kind of mealy-mouthed.<br><br>He had a heart attack in the past? What about when he died?<br><br>Officers were called to the house and not an ambulance? huh?<br><br>What is Snow trying to say there?<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 7/6/06 7:39 am<br></i>

[Moddey Screbbagh]

agree with above: "the cause of death is coronary artery disease," is an unusual statement, especially when combined with the comment that lay had had a prior heart attack: what about any recent heart attack? coronary artery disease is of course very common...if the cause of death was in fact a large heart attack, the coroner should have said: "acute myocardial infarction" or words to that effect...<br><br>there are exceptions, but people who die of "massive heart attacks" are the ones who have not had good medical care up to that point, or are young and have not had time to develop collateral vessels in the heart.<br><br>kennie boy i'm sure had some pretty swank doc's looking after him, and even minor heart disease if he had it i'm sure was treated very aggressively. his doctor could come forward and tell this to us of course...if this was undiagnosed severe coronary artery disease i would be very surprised.<br><br>the other thing that's irritating here is the misconception that stress (even kennie boy's) is sufficient to lead someone's "heart to give out," -- sheer nonsense.<br><br>where is the scepticism of the media? why is this not a story, and some cheerleader missing in aruba is? i gotta get outta here....<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>CHIEF CROOK DUCKS BIG HOUSE BY DROPPING DEAD<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/lay_him_low__enrons_chief_crook_ducks_big_house_by_dropping_dead_nationalnews_marsha_kranes.htm">www.nypost.com/news/natio...kranes.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/coffin.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.nypost.com/img/front070606.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[anothershamus]

"Death of Lay likely to protect his estate". <br><br>Headline in the Oregonian, 07/06/06<br><br>He faked it! It's just too convienent. The whole Enron team was so arrogant that they thought they could do anything they wanted, why not this? Skilling will get pardoned right before bush's term is ended. <p></p><i></i>

[dranek7]

Has anyone released toxicity screening results yet??? Medical doctors have been known to preside over lethal injections as well as torture. <br><br>The administration truly had a lot to lose with the information that Kenny Boy held on the Dear Leader. Commissioning private jets for the 2000 campaign, he knew where the bodies were buried and was probably willing to flip for some immunity. He was on the transition team and Cheney's energy manipulation cabal.<br><br>What better gift is there for Bush's birthday than a dose of potassium chloride through Lay's veins? I don't believe he's alive because too many ptb's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>need</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> him dead.<br><br>And that's why I sense Abramoff is not long for this world...perhaps he'll be the victim of a freak accident. <p></p><i></i>

[dude h homeslice ix]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/fc/business/enron">news.yahoo.com/fc/business/enron</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Experts see Lay's death erasing conviction<br>AP - 2 hours, 3 minutes ago<br><br>HOUSTON - The death of Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay will likely cause his conviction to be erased from the record, experts said Thursday. The 64-year-old executive's sudden death Wednesday from heart disease allows his lawyers to ask the court to vacate his conviction for fraud and conspiracy in Enron's scandal that left thousands jobless and wiped out billions from investors.<br><br><br><br>Slate Wiped Clean in Enron Case? ABC News<br><br>- In light of Ken Lay's death, the Justice Department stops seizing his assets. <p></p><i></i>

[Forgetting2]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.macon.com%2Fmld%2Fmacon%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F14981741.htm%3Ftemplate%3DcontentModules%2Fprintstory.jsp">rawstory.com/showarticle....tstory.jsp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>...<br><br>Bush called Lay, who was a friend of the Bush family and a large donor to the president's campaign, "a good guy." He said he was <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>shocked to hear both about the Enron scandal and Lay's death</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> this week from a heart attack at age 64.<br><br>…<br><br>Bush said. "He was a generous person. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I'm disappointed that he betrayed the trust of shareholders</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->."<br><br>First lady Laura Bush, who joined her husband for the interview on his 60th birthday, said she didn't know Lay well. But she said she was acquainted with him and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>knew his wife and was sorry for her</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br><br>He was "shocked" by the Enron scandel. Was he <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>as</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> "shocked" by his death?<br><br>Disappointed he "betrayed the trust of shareholders" or disappointed he got caught? The interesting thing is that it's now safe for Bush to be disappointed. He never was before, as far as I can see.<br><br>It's a nice twist on the memorial of a family friend to be suddenly disappointed in them.<br><br>Laura was "acquainted" with Lay, but she "knew" his wife. (OK, this is pushing the line while reading between them.)<br><br>Laura knew his wife and "was sorry for her". Is Laura sorry for Lay's wife? Or does she empathize? Will Laura be staying at the Mayflower (again?) anytime soon?<br><br>Maybe there's nothing here.<br><br>And maybe their propaganda is simply not articulate enough to both describe and to cover up. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=forgetting2>Forgetting2</A> at: 7/7/06 3:59 am<br></i>