Liz Birt dead Who? Autism/Vaccine activist (looks fishy)

[firstimer]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20051229/NEWS/112290020/0/FRONTPAGE">www.aspentimes.com/articl.../FRONTPAGE</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>here is one article describing location and the event of the wreck.<br><br>There is a photo of the cars involved I think, but the truck was supposed to be 44 feet away in a northbound lane.<br><br>Since Gary Webb's 2 shot suicide and all of the microbiologists, I always look a little closer.<br><br>Well I've never been there, but here is a link to the mapquest map of the intersection.<br><br>I'm not saying anything yet, but there are several things that don't seem right here. If you choose to, draw your own opinion. I'm headed home, I'll log back on and add a little if nobody sees anything.<br><br>I think I owe it to her to check it out, her info came in time for my babies to benefit.<br><br>firstimer <p></p><i></i>

[firstimer]

shoot forgot the mapquest link:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=HFh%2fWHoUODE%3d&longitude=jSMhWnRh60kkVEiiCV91Bg%3d%3d&name=Counter%20Craft&country=US&address=323%20Brush%20Creek%20Ln&city=Snowmass%20Village&state=CO&zipcode=81615&phone=970%2d923%2d2658&spurl=0&&q=brush%20creek%20road&qc=Porcelain%20Enamel%2dRepairing%2fRefinishing">www.mapquest.com/maps/map...efinishing</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I hope it works. Its supposed to be highway 82 and brush creek road<br><br><br>firstimer <p></p><i></i>

[anotherdrew]

well, it sounds like the Felt guy would be the only one that could have caused this intentionally. What was he doing driving a brand new ford taurus, but with no insurance? that seems kinda odd. <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

...And with his 13-year-old son in the car. That no-insurance is very strange; he's from the same town in Illinois. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[Ferry Fey]

Why do you think that the facts of this might indicate a hit? I would have thought that if anyone was going to do that, they'd wait until the person was driving alone.<br><br>There are two Felts who have been in the news in the past couple of years under curious circumstances, the only people named Felt that I'd ever run across in the news.<br><br>One was Edward Felt, who phoned in a call to 911 from the bathroom on Flight 93. He was saying there was an explosion when his call was cut off. From Wikipedia:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>One phone call that is unexplained was made by passenger Edward Felt. The day after September 11, the Washington Post (and other newspapers) reported the incident as follows:<br><br>Westmoreland County emergency dispatchers said they received a last-ditch 911 cell phone call from a passenger at 9:58 a.m., just minutes before the crash. Dispatch supervisor Glenn Cramer told the Associated Press that the call came from a passenger who had locked himself inside one of the plane's lavatories. "We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked," Cramer quoted the caller from a transcript of the call. The caller described the plane as "going down," Cramer told AP. "He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, and we lost contact with him." <br>Shortly thereafter, as the Washington Post story also reported, "FBI agents quickly took possession of the tape of that 911 call, which constitutes the only public evidence so far of what went on during the doomed plane's last moments."<br><br>Then, in an odd twist, the New York Times reported on March 27, 2002, that the caller had never said anything about an explosion or smoke:<br><br>Earlier reports have said that a previously unidentified passenger, Edward Felt of Matawan, N.J., said in a 911 call from a restroom that he saw a puff of smoke and heard an explosion, leading some to cite this as evidence that the plane was shot down by the military to prevent it from crashing into sensitive targets. But the 911 dispatcher, John Shaw, and others who have heard the tape, including Mr. Felt's wife, Sandra Felt, say he made no mention of smoke or an explosion when he said, 'We're going down.' <br>But that report would itself be contradicted. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported the following on April 21, 2002:<br><br>Edward Felt, a computer engineer who had been on his way to a business meeting in San Francisco, may have been the last person to place a phone call from the doomed plane before it crashed on Sept. 11 near Shanksville, Somerset County. Eight minutes before the crash, he had called 911 from an airplane lavatory and reached a dispatcher in Westmoreland County. And so, before they joined the other relatives to hear the cockpit voice recorder tape, Edward's widow, Sandy, his brother, Gordon, and his mother, Shirley, were led to a small conference room at the Princeton Marriott Forestall Village Hotel, where they were joined by two FBI agents and a victim-assistance counselor. Sitting around a polished wood table, the agents handed each of the Felts a typed transcript of the 911 call, and then played it. Ed's call was made at 9:58 a.m. In a conversation with dispatchers lasting about one minute, he spoke in a quivering voice saying, "We are being hijacked. We are being hijacked." He went on to describe an "explosion" that he heard, and then white smoke on the plane from an undetermined location. Then the line went dead. <br>In yet another report, the Pittsburgh Pulp's November 28th 2002 reported Felt's younger brother Gordon stated, "There was no mention of white smoke or an explosion." Furthermore, the dispatcher who took the call, John Shaw, confirmed that Felt had mentioned neither bomb nor white smoke. "It never happened," he stated".</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Other Felt is W. Mark Felt, said to be the original Deep Throat (though there are some who feel that there are good reasons not to take that at face value).<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[BlueCherub]

and no doubt the pharma giants and government officials who have dissed the Autism community for years now, could not stand such a tenacious Autism Activist as Liz Birt! So HELL YES-her death is suspicious! <br><br>Here's some more info on Liz Birt:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/12/liz-birt-1956-2005.html">adventuresinautism.blogsp...-2005.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Ferry Fey]

She sounds like a remarkable woman. I'm sorry that we've lost her.<br><br>But the Aspen Times statements from the driver seem to indicate that he had a green light, and that Felt made an illegal left turn onto the highway when he had a red arrow. Williams, the driver who hit the car, said his view of Felt's action had been blocked by a truck. If he couldn't see Felt, Felt probably couldn't have seen him.<br><br>Aspen Times<br>By John Colson<br>December 30, 2005<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The driver of a pickup truck involved in Wednesday's fatal car wreck on Highway 82 said the incident was "a nightmare, a nightmare that started right then."<br><br>Blake Williams, 31, who was driving his 2000 Toyota Tundra toward Aspen with his wife, Mary, said his memories of the accident are not entirely clear.<br><br>But, he recalled, he had been driving in the right-hand lane as he approached a red traffic light at the Brush Creek Road intersection.<br><br>The light turned green, he said, prompting him to move over to the left lane to get around a line of slower-moving cars turning right onto Brush Creek Road.<br><br>A truck was stopped in the eastbound left-turn lane, which interfered with Williams' ability to see what was going on in the westbound turn lanes on the other side of the traffic light, he said.<br><br>"A ghost moved in front of me," Williams said, describing how he felt when he saw a four-door, 2006 Ford Taurus sedan turn in front of him as he moved into the intersection.<br><br>He hit his brakes but could not stop.<br><br>"I hit the car right between the front and the back wheels, probably the worst place I could have hit," he said.<br><br>The impact sent the sedan spinning into Brush Creek Road, ultimately coming to a stop across two lanes.<br><br>Williams' truck, meanwhile, kept traveling east along the highway for about 44 feet, according to a Colorado State Patrol report, before stopping in the roadway.<br><br>Williams recalls that he and his wife, who are from Snowmass, were both wearing seat belts, and both airbags deployed on impact. When they got out of their truck, he said, they were a little battered and bruised but essentially OK.<br><br>Approaching the Taurus, he said, he could see the driver, Steve Felt, and the front-seat passenger, Elizabeth Birt, leaning toward each other, apparently unconscious. In the back seat, he said, was 13-year old Michael Felt, who looked "pretty bloody."<br><br>Williams said a number of cars stopped and the occupants ran to help, some going to the driver's door to attend to Felt, some to the front passenger door, and some climbing over the back of the Taurus to reach the younger Felt, who Williams believes was conscious at that time.<br><br>He also said a doctor appeared and was able to resuscitate Birt, who reportedly stopped breathing at some point before ambulances arrived.<br><br>Birt later died on an operating table at Aspen Valley Hospital.<br><br>"I didn't really know what had happened," Williams said. He said he was told he had a green light and the Taurus had run through a red light.<br><br>Williams said he and his wife are shaken by the experience and relying on the support of family and friends to recover from the ordeal.<br><br>"I just wish I hadn't been there," he said Thursday. "I wish I hadn't stopped for gas that morning. Then I would have been 15 minutes ahead."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20051230/NEWS/112300050">www.aspentimes.com/articl.../112300050</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[firstimer]

Thank you guy's,<br><br>It's been a lost weekend for me. I'm confidenty experiencing that cognitive dissonance we've been warned about. I'm having a hard time putting my 4th grade revolut62iona4y/const776itutional historillusy education with the c0uintry that I live in now. I have cßhildr?en and they are at ri5k. That is why I must understand what is going on. I'l give a nod to the chance that I'm naive, and that If I understood the whole picture , that this is the lesser of 2 evils. Until somebody provides that picture I will search learn and unwind the process that took us from 17be-6bop7i6 to here on my own , but with you. I will share and learn until I'm taken out to the pasture at the pu4mph6ouse.<br><br>I'm back and will dig up more. I'm guessing that at this point that the out23line resides in the pa7triot a4ct and pre6sidenial direac3cives. When I said pe©k 1-1il tells us what to expect, not what is really going on, I meant it. It was another post to you but everything I write is about the this. ƒor6e7 about ç8ney, f0770w the 7?w5<br><br>I told you that I have been war123/2228?ned. I will not share that with you, but it was clear. Does anybody know the significance of V*C from the movie a4rl87lingto?n ro*4d? I do. But donKts ferg1t itz H07iDay w00d.<br><br><br><br>A55ume mJcar75thoy is coming next. But inv1si873 this time.<br><br>I don't 4now If I can k33p this up.<br><br>first89tim32r <p></p><i></i>

[AlicetheCurious]

Hey, firstimer, is something wrong with your computer, or are you embedding some kind of secret code in your posts? <p></p><i></i>

[bamba]

To get an idea of who Liz Birt was, see

http://www.autismweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2936

Next, read the story of how she died at

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20051 ... /112290020

including this section:

Steven Felt was wearing a seat belt, but the State Patrol said it did not know whether Birt and the younger Felt were wearing seat belts. Steven Felt was ticketed for careless driving causing serious bodily injury, careless driving causing death and no proof of insurance.

Rescuers had to cut the roof off the sedan to get the occupants out, and Ayers said all three were taken to Aspen Valley Hospital for treatment of serious injuries. Michael Felt later was airlifted to Children's Hospital in Denver, according to the State Patrol, although officials at that hospital said Wednesday evening they had no patient by that name.

"No patient by that name" but days later a family friend, not the hospital, says the son is making progress at

http://www.aspentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll ... /101030018

Finally, read this from an Aspen newspaper.

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20070 ... /101170036

Man pleads guilty in Highway 82 wreck
ASPEN — Steven Felt, 52, pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of careless driving after a wreck killed one person and seriously injured another in December 2005.

Elizabeth Birt, 49, a nationally known advocate for autistic children and Felt's fiancee, died in the crash Dec. 28, 2005. The crash also seriously injured Felt's son, Michael, 14.

The Colorado State Patrol established that Felt ran a red light at Brush Creek Road and Highway 82, turning into the path of an oncoming truck. At the time, State Patrol said that neither alcohol nor speeding played a role.

Felt was sentenced to 60 days of suspended jail time, two years of probation and a $300 fine. The terms of the probation include no traffic violations or broken laws, eight hours of traffic school, six victim crime panels and 120 hours of public service.

Felt's lawyer, Fred Winocur, said Felt will perform his service at the Extreme Sports Camp in Aspen, a nonprofit that takes kids with autism on various adventures in the area.

The plea bargain with Assistant District Attorney Gail Nichols originally mandated that jail time could not be part of the agreement. In a hearing that at times became heated, representatives of the various victims in the case spoke passionately over the telephone.

Judge Erin Fernandez-Ely ruled that she would not accept the plea agreement unless jail time was a possibility, following hearing from the families of victims.

Felt, who lives in Wilmette, Ill., did not speak during the hearing and did not apologize. Much of the testimony over the phone focused on a likely wrongful death civil suit against Felt, according to statements at the hearing.

My questions include why the hospital had no patient by the name of Michael Felt. I'd also like to know what Ms. Birt was working on the week before her death. Apparently Felt was her boyfriend or fiance. Seems strange that he wouldn't apologize if he was that close to her.