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Postby Anders » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:04 am

Milosevic dies in prison cell<br><br>Saturday, March 11, 2006 Posted: 1253 GMT (2053 HKT) <br><br>(CNN) -- Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has been found dead in his prison cell in The Hague, Netherlands, according to the United Nations war crimes tribunal. He was 64.<br><br>An official in the chief prosecutor's office said Milosevic was found at about 10 a.m. and that he apparently had been dead for several hours. An autopsy will be performed, the official said. <br><br>The tribunal did not say how Milosevic had died. French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told reporters Milosevic had died of natural causes. <br><br>"Milosevic was found lifeless on his bed in his cell at the United Nations detention unit," the U.N. tribunal said in a statement, according to Reuters.<br><br>"The guard immediately alerted the detention unit officer in command and the medical officer. The latter confirmed that Slobodan Milosevic was dead."<br><br>The tribunal said the Dutch police and coroners were called in and started an inquiry. A full autopsy has been ordered. Milosevic's family has been informed, it added.<br><br>The former Serbian president had been on trial since 2002 on 66 charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes during the bloody disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 1990s. <br><br>He had been held at the Hague since 2001 when he was transferred from the Serbian capital Belgrade following his overthrow in 2000.<br><br>Milosevic had suffered a heart condition and high blood pressure which had repeatedly interrupted his trial in the Hague.<br><br>The U.N. Security Council established the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in 1993.<br><br>The 66 counts included Milosevic's role in the fighting that plagued the disputed Serbian province of Kosovo and the civil warfare that erupted in Bosnia and Croatia after the fall of Yugoslavia.<br><br>Ethnic strife raged in Yugoslavia's six republics as the nation began to dissolve after the fall of communism. Milosevic's trial began February 12, 2002. <br><br>Milosevic was defending himself against allegations by authorities that he backed and sometimes authorized violence by Serb forces.<br><br>He faced charges of crimes against humanity, violations of the laws and customs of war and genocide, a charge emanating from the Bosnian conflict, in which thousands of Bosnian Muslims were killed or chased from their homes by Bosnian Serb forces in Srebrenica and Sarajevo. (Read about charges being filed in those massacres)<br><br>Milosevic pleaded not guilty to all counts, saying that he wasn't responsible for ordering killings and rapes. He could have been sent to prison for life if found guilty.<br><br>The prosecution closed its case in February 2004, and Milosevic was given six months to prepare his defense, which began in August 2004. <br><br>His defense focused solely on the Kosovo indictments, seen as the most potent because Milosevic was directly in charge of the Serb-led troops during the fighting in Kosovo, a majority Albanian area key to Serbian identity.<br><br>The former Yugoslav president had called 48 witnesses to back up his arguments. He requested more time for witnesses, but was denied. <p>Anders<br>www.dancingonthebrink.com</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anders@rigorousintuition>Anders</A> at: 3/11/06 8:04 am<br></i>
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Postby antiaristo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:22 pm

Not surprised in the least.<br>I wrote to him on 10 February 2002, at the beginning of the Hague farce of victors' justice.<br><br>Short and sweet<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>“Richard May, of the English Court, and Patrick Robinson, of the Jamaican Court, both swear to obey the same person. She is really out to get you, isn’t she? Another of her agents is Mr Blair. I think you will find that Mr Blair was an impostor at the time of the NATO campaign in former Yugoslavia. Check with anyone who was at Feira on 19 June 2000. Best of luck.” <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Richard May died suddenly.<br>Milosevic died suddenly.<br><br>Her Majesty HAS been busy. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby heath7 » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:59 pm

I guess now the pressure is off Clinton and Wesley Clark to testify? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby * » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:53 pm

I just came from a board where those who expressed doubt about the issue were accused of being trolls. See the accusation and my response below:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> You know, this kind of crap gets very tiring. Never mind that the man had a known heart condition. Never mind that suicide wouldn't be particularly shocking under the circumstances. Don't even let them finish an inquest...you'll just decide it was part of a coverup anyway. No, it just has to be a conspiracy for some people, and they won't even bother to let any facts be known before they refuse to accept them. <br><br> Frankly, I think that this knee-jerk CT garbage is just another form of trolling. It's a plea for attention. Well, fine, I gave you some goddamned attention. Now shut the fuck up and go away.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br> Since <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://globalcircle.net/00geopolitics.htm">Yugoslavia</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>was the trial-run for Iraq, Milosevic was no more going to be permitted to tell his story than Saddam will be. Why don't you take a few hours to explore the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.swans.com/library/subjects/yugoslav.html">facts</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>before <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.livescience.com/othernews/060124_political_decisions.html">hurling invective</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> at those who might actually know more than you do about the subject at hand.<br><br> Dick Cheney and Milosevic were born the same year, both have heart conditions, only one is dead.<br><br> -----<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br>Typically of conspiracy quackery, your sources throw out endless reams of "facts" with no attempt at a governing theory or linking argument. This stuff is nothing more than a rhetorical house of cards propped up by special plead</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> Quote:Dick Cheney and Milosevic were born the same year, both have heart conditions, only one is dead.<br><br><br><br>Do you seriously expect me to grant any credence at all to such a classic faulty analogy?<br><br>I find your claims to be crap. Try harder next time.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br> <br> ----<br><br> That was his answer 15 minutes later. He must be a speed-reader....<br><br><br><br> edited to add the entire 'troll accusation' and his response to my suggestion he educate himself on the issue <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 3/11/06 1:54 pm<br></i>
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Postby Anders » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:27 pm

Nothing happens by accident in politics. He should have been on sucide watch, at the very least. look at the length of time it took to discover he was dead. Very sloppy work. <p>Anders<br>www.dancingonthebrink.com</p><i></i>
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Postby CyberChrist » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:43 pm

Actually, he was supposedly under 24/7 suicide watch:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/07/01/milosevic.0843/index.html">archives.cnn.com/2001/WOR...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Postby Anders » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:46 pm

Thanks, I figured he probably was, but did not know for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this involve checking every 15 mins or so? Sloppy sloppy sloppy. <p>Anders<br>www.dancingonthebrink.com</p><i></i>
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Postby Anders » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:05 pm

And Babic here, how VERY very sloppy - on a 30 minute check - allowed to keep a belt and a plastic bag in his cell? LOL, why not just dole out a .38 to each prisoner?<br><br><br><br><br><br>Serbs criticize authorities over suicide<br>DUSAN STOJANOVIC<br>Associated Press<br><br>BELGRADE, Serbia-Montenegro - Serbian officials on Tuesday criticized U.N. prison authorities in the Netherlands for failing to prevent the suicide of a Croatian Serb convicted of ethnic cleansing during the Balkan wars.<br><br>The U.N. tribunal said Monday that Milan Babic, who was convicted in 2004 of ethnic cleansing after leading a brutal revolt, committed suicide the day before - a setback for war crimes prosecutors counting on his testimony in other cases. Babic, once a close associate of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, was considered an insider with key knowledge of the workings of Milosevic's regime in the 1990s.<br><br>"This should not have been allowed to happen," Foreign Minister Vuk Draskovic told B92 radio. "The responsibility for the suicide lies with the (U.N.) tribunal's prison authorities."<br><br>Rasim Ljajic, the Balkan country's main official in charge of cooperation with the U.N. war crimes tribunal in The Hague, Netherlands, said that Babic's suicide "is very bad for the image" of the court.<br><br>Alexandra Milenov, the tribunal's spokeswoman, said Tuesday that a judge had been appointed to conduct an internal inquiry.<br><br>Babic was found dead Sunday evening at the U.N. detention center in Scheveningen, a few miles from the U.N. war crimes tribunal. Milenov said his body was discovered during a routine half-hourly monitoring of his cell. She did not specify how Babic took his life, but Belgrade's Beta news agency said Babic "used a belt and a plastic bag" to kill himself.<br><br>"Milan Babic was in his cell separate from the other prisoners," Milenov told Beta.<br><br>His suicide came just three weeks after he reaffirmed his remorse for his crimes, telling a tribunal that his guilt was a "pain that I have to live with for the rest of my life."<br><br>U.N. prosecutors put him on the stand for three weeks of dramatic testimony against Milosevic in 2002 and had plans to use him as a key witness in at least four other trials in The Hague.<br><br>Toma Fila, a prominent Serbian lawyer who has defended other Serb war crimes suspects in The Hague, said the suicide came as no surprise.<br><br>"Everything started after he admitted his guilt," Fila said. "He got lost after his testimony against Milosevic. He was under complete isolation from other prisoners, and apparently he could no longer stand it."<br><br>Babic, 50, pleaded guilty to one count of crimes against humanity, a part of a plea bargain in which prosecutors dropped four other charges. <p>Anders<br>www.dancingonthebrink.com</p><i></i>
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Postby antiaristo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:32 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:small;">Milosevic Death May Affect War Tribunals</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br><br>Saturday March 11, 2006 7:01 PM<br><br>By DUSAN STOJANOVIC <br><br>Associated Press Writer <br><br>BELGRADE, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) - The stock of Slobodan Milosevic already had been rising among Serbs who watched his feisty performances at his war crimes trial at The Hague. <br><br>His death makes him a martyr to his supporters and brings into serious question Belgrade's future cooperation with the U.N. tribunal - just weeks before a European Union deadline for Belgrade to hand over fugitive Bosnian Serb wartime commander Gen. Ratko Mladic. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>``Milosevic's death will tear to shreds the tribunal's credibility which has seriously been tarnished already,'' Toma Fila, Milosevic's family lawyer said, pointing to the deaths of other suspects in custody at the detention center near The Hague, Netherlands.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Convicted former Croatian Serb leader Milan Babic, a star witness in the Milosevic trial, killed himself in prison last week, the second time a detainee committed suicide. The first was Slavko Dokmanovic, another Croatian Serb leader, in 1998. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The deaths have created the impression for many in Serbia of The Hague as a gallows for Serb nationalists</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> - a place where the West lets them rot away and was likely to increase pressure on the government from hard-liners not to extradite other suspects. <br><br>``How are they now going to explain to the Serbian public that Milosevic was not severely ill, as he had claimed, and that the Hague jail is safe for the Serbs?'' asked political analyst Brace Grubacic. <br><br>Milosevic, who suffered from heart problems and high blood pressure, had recently demanded to be temporarily released to go to Moscow for treatment. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But presiding judge Patrick Robinson refused, ruling that even with Russian guarantees to send him back the court was ``not satisfied ... that the accused, if released, would return for the continuation of his trial.''</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Milosevic, 64, was found in his bed Saturday at the detention center and apparently died of natural causes, the tribunal said. He had been examined by doctors following frequent complaints of fatigue or ill health that delayed his trial, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the tribunal could not immediately say when he last had a medical checkup</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. <br><br>Ivica Dacic, the caretaker president of Milosevic's Socialist Party, echoed the views of many here Saturday when he said: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>``Milosevic did not die in The Hague, he was killed in The Hague.''</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Former Czech foreign minister Jiri Dienstbier, who served as U.N. special envoy for human rights in Yugoslavia from 1998-2001, cautioned his death could be used by extremists who will proclaim him a national hero. <br><br>Those fears took little time to materialize. The ultranationalist Serbian Radical Party, staunch allies of Milosevic during the war, said in a statement that: ``after Milosevic's death, nothing will be the same in Serbia.'' <br><br>``The Radical party promises to the citizens of Serbia that it will no longer tolerate the harassment of the Serbian patriots and their families,'' citing alleged ``harassment'' by Serbia's pro-Western President Boris Tadic and Foreign Minister Vuk Draskovic. <br><br>Milosevic was branded by the West as ``the butcher of the Balkans'' but hailed as a hero by many fellow Serbs, complicating the government's efforts to capture other war crimes suspects still at large as it faced increasing international pressure. <br><br>EU foreign ministers threatened last month to freeze talks with Serbia, the dominant republic in the loose federation that is the successor state to Yugoslavia - on its EU membership bid, setting a March deadline for Belgrade to hand over Mladic. <br><br>Mladic and Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic were indicted in 1995 on charges of orchestrating the massacre of some 8,000 Muslims in the U.N. enclave of Srebrenica - Europe's worst carnage since World War II. <br><br>Mladic is believed to be hiding in Serbia under protection of the hard-liners in the Serb military and police - Milosevic loyalists. Karadzic reportedly has been hiding and moving between Bosnia, Serbia and his native Montenegro. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Many observers both in Serbia and the West called into question the validity of the Hague war crimes tribunal for other reasons - suggesting the chance for a historical reckoning had been lost because the trial was allowed to drag on for years.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt, who served as the U.N. special envoy to the Balkans between 1999-2001, called Milosevic' death ``seriously damaging to The Hague tribunal.'' <br><br>In a written statement to Swedish news agency TT, Bildt said that ``despite years of trials we will never have a verdict, and thereby a conclusion regarding important questions of guilt.'' <br><br>Natasa Kandic, a leading human rights activist in Serbia who has provided evidence to the U.N. war crimes prosecutors, said Milosevic's death before the end of the trial has caused ``historic damage.''<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5678995,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/worldl...95,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Nobody is safe in a country run by the Order of the Garter.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Shame on him who thinks ill of it. That’s the medieval equivalent of “You’re with us or you’re against us.”<br>Those were the words on the lecterns before Bush and Blair, when they stood shoulder to shoulder in London to deny their war on Islam.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Anders » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:41 pm

Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense. Shame on him who thinks ill of it. That’s the medieval equivalent of “You’re with us or you’re against us.”<br><br>Those were the words on the lecterns before Bush and Blair, when they stood shoulder to shoulder in London to deny their war on Islam.<br><br><br><br>A couple of excerpts from my book deal with the motto:<br><br><br>“In God We Trust; the udjat, the Federal Reserve’s all seeing eye of Horus above a goddam Egyptian pyramid. Dieu et mon Droit and Honi soit qui mal y pense.”<br>“Meaning?”<br>“Mottos on the British Royal Coat of Arms; God on my Right and Evil To Him Who Evil Thinks. The Lion and the chained Unicorn: the Bank of England; they’re in deep with the Fed. London’s three lions run the show, always has, always will; the unicorn represents a very dangerous beast that needs to be shackled: humanity; Kissinger’s useless eaters.”<br><br><br>But this was an old and valuable British gold Sovereign, dated 1817. On the obverse, King George III. On the reverse, the Order of the Garter motto, the famous Benedetto Pistrucci design of Saint George on horseback slaying a dragon, with the inscription:<br><br>Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense <br> <br>The other coin was newer, pristine, no blood that he could detect, and dated 1888. On the obverse, Queen Victoria’s Jubilee head. On the reverse, Saint George slaying a dragon, sans motto.<br><br>He knew the exoteric French inscription on the 1817 coin roughly translated to: <br><br>Evil be to he who evil thinks...<br><br>But the esoteric meaning was not lost on him either.<br>A kind of reverse hex or threat:<br><br>Don’t fuck with us.<br><br> <p>Anders<br>www.dancingonthebrink.com</p><i></i>
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Postby Anders » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:03 pm

Milosevic feared he was being poisoned: lawyer<br><br>Reuters<br>Saturday, March 11, 2006; 1:08 PM<br><br>BELGRADE (Reuters) - Former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned in his detention cell in The Hague, his lawyer Zdenko Tomanovic said on Saturday hours after the tribunal announced Milosevic's death.<br><br>"Today, I have filed an official request to the tribunal to have the autopsy carried out in Moscow, having in mind his claims yesterday that he was being poisoned in the jail," Tomanovic told reporters in The Hague.<br><br>Acting on a request from Milosevic, Tomanovic said he had made a request for protection for his client to the Russian embassy in The Netherlands and to the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow.<br><br>"I demanded protection for Slobodan Milosevic over his claims that he was being poisoned. I still haven't received any reply and that's all I have to say at this time," the lawyer said.<br><br>Milosevic conducted his own defense at the war crimes trial. Tomanovic acted as his legal representative in other matters as well as helping him prepare his defense.<br> <p>Anders<br>www.dancingonthebrink.com</p><i></i>
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:37 pm

Remember James McDougal?<br><br>A path is cleared for future President General Clark and Senator Clinton to do the Council on Foreign Relations swing of the pendulum in 2008.<br><br>Recall their joint publication 'It Takes a Village To Win Modern Wars.'<br><br>Stick your potentially damaging hostile witness in jail long enough to strengthen the demonizing narrative and then eliminate them at their own hand or someone else's hand, a coherent narrative of morality theater where Bad Guys Get What's Coming to Them as mandated by the film censorship board.<br><br>The name escapes me of the woman reporter and congressional aide who is now stuck in an asylum as both crazy and a 'spy for Iraq.' She had insider info on the PanAm 103 Lockerbie bombing that exonerated Libya and was testifying.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby antiaristo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:40 pm

Anders,<br>You will appreciate one of the greatest real-life scams in history.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=63.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=63.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby StarmanSkye » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:56 pm

How convenient indeed. But apparently, a prisoner unexpectedly dying of untreated 'natural causes' for which he was refused medical care is now what passes for 'normal' in this bizzaro-world version of neocon reality, the intersection between the Twilight Zone, the Bushco. Brave New World Gulag (populated by indefinitely-detained, uncharged, unacknowledged [secret] Terrorista suspects, administered by the increasingly gray-zone of US-International military/intelligence and para-military/private security-mercenary Goons who work in Prison-complexes scattered around the world), Disneyesque-Dystopia.<br><br>With the 'prosecution' of Milosevic, the Hague Criminal Court had become the latest victim of the monstrous criminal fraud which is American Foreign Policy continuing it's long tradition of toppling governments, provoking economic crises and waging warfare for the sake of 'winning' industries and majority-stake market-shares, buying-up businesses and properties at fire-sale prices, and imposing autocratic terms and conditions as the legacy of neoliberal 'liberation'.<br><br>What do you suppose the ratio is of sufficiently aware-and-interested Americans who have made an effort to pierce the abysmal fake-news bullshit media and understand the reality of the Yugoslavia debacle caused by American 'diplomacy' delivered via bombs and propaganda under the rationale of 'humanitarian intervention' c/o UN and NATO -- one per 1000? One per 10,000? Less, or more?<br><br>Yugoslavia, before the west with European connivance destroyed it, was a modern, thriving, highly-developed and successful state comprised of 6 semi-autonomous Republics with a high standard of living. But as Yugoslavia featured a highly successful socialist economy with democratic institutions it was apparently an unbearable affront to the capitalist west's political elites -- the 'threat' of a good example bit, much as Cuba and Venezuala are red-capes waving in the face in the self-styled bullfighters of America's Banking/Oil & War Industry klepto-corporatocracy.<br><br>America, partnered with Germany and Britain, worked behind the scenes following the collapse of the Soviet Union, to undermine Yugoslavia's economy, governments and society, using lessons and plans developed over a half-century of perfecting 'benign' neocolonialism, reinforced by the mailed-fist of scientifically-applied scorched-earth 'counterinsurgency' techniques to make the alternative to western proxy-rule too terrible to contemplate.<br><br>Michel Chossudovsky's article 'Dismantling Yugoslavia' remains the single best overview of the incredible betrayal which the west perpetrated on the people of Yugoslavia, using classic divide-and-conquer strategies to pit once-peaceful neighbors against each other by aggravating percieved injustices and blaming the hardships caused by economic sabotage on 'those others', while secretly siding with and arming potential adversaries -- truly a masterful performance of inciting conflict behind the scenes -- made more reprehensible by the west's demonization of fall-guys like Milosevic while blithely ignoring and covering-up evidence of it's own opportunistic murder -- crimes which are a thousand times greater than even the most inventive accusations leveled against those like Milosevic.<br><br>It exasperates me, even as it shames me to be part of the same 'public' who remain so willfully dumb and silent and unconcerned, and thereby complicit, with the monsters and murderers who are our 'leaders' <cough, retch> -- as they moved-on from the death-squads and imposed-starvation-killings and proxy-conflict and deals with brutal despots, in Latin America to the Sudan to Haiti to Grenada, to Iraq and Afghanistan and Yugoslavia and Panama and the Balkans, and back to Haiti and the Sudan and Afghanistan and Iraq, and thence to ... Syria? Iran? Lebanon? Really, I think the US in the Middle East and the Balkans today is actually fighting the EU and Russia, and perhaps even China. When will the killing and despoilation and betrayals and horror end, when will the people finally say 'Enough!' and mean it?<br> <br>Starman<br>*********<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.swans.com/library/art7/sbasu002.html">www.swans.com/library/art7/sbasu002.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The OTHER War Criminals<br>Sanjay Basu<br>July 23, 2001<br>--Editorial remarking on the transparent hypocrisy of the West's sudden silence on the previously hot-button-topic issue of genocide and its quiet disapproval in the wake of two locally-popular 'War Hero' Croatian ex-Generals being transferred to the Hague, accused of the war crimes massacre of hundreds of Serbian citizens in the Croatian 'Homeland Wars' of '93-'95-- this following on the heels of the US's successful grandstanding and arm-twisting, threatening an economic-aid boycott to compel Serbian Leader Djinjik to hand Milosevic over to the Hague Tribunal, having demonized Milosevic in the court of public opinion and referring to him as "...one of the most dangerous and maniacal European Leaders since Hitler." The hidden irony of course is that the US was instrumental in meticulously choreographing the dismantling of Yugoslavia, using the IMF and World Banks, so-called 'Democracy-building' NGOs and 'advisors', trade-associations and the arming and training of Croatian and Bosnian forces, and providing crucial battlefield intelligence to the indicted Croatian ex-Generals in their brutal terrorizing and targetting of resident Serbian farmers, forcing the dislocation of more than 200,000 Serbs.<br>--quote--<br>"What all of this evidence indicates is that even as individual army generals receive indictments at the Hague, the focus of the international community should not only be on the actions of these individuals and armies, but on the actions of the larger international community and those world players (including our own country) who allowed war crimes to take place. While most articles on U.S.-Croat relations were focusing on Ivanisevic winning at Wimbledon, another more sinister relationship between our two countries has resulted in countless deaths, and the silence of Washington voices on the issue is deafening to our peers in Europe. <br>****<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.swans.com/library/art10/johns03.html">www.swans.com/library/art10/johns03.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The Debacle of the Hague<br>John Stebbing<br>--concluding paragraph excerpt--<br>The script for the ICTY was to blame Serbian aggression for the wars in the Balkans. The Serbs must then accept guilt and voilà, history will be re-written to accommodate the US strategic and business interests. The destruction of legality evident at the ICTY is important for other reasons as well. If such kangaroo courts are given credibility and accepted, then one can pretty well expect a similar erosion of due process when the courts are prosecuting junkies and homeless people, black teenagers and Latino gang members. They can all expect to have to adhere to even more stringent standards of innocence, while Poindexter, Negroponte or Elliot Abrams can continue to find work in high places and sleep comfortable in the knowledge that their privileges are guaranteed. The same folks who lied about WMD previously lied about Yugoslavia. The National Endowment for Democracy and the co-opted US media trotted out all manner of myth and fiction, most now roundly discredited, and yet those myths stuck. Everything from disguising the identity of the narco-gangsters of the KLA as plucky freedom fighting underdogs (with help from Paul Wolfowitz and the Balkan Action Council, and Bob Dole, for whom Albanian-Americans raised over a million dollars to assist his election campaign -- Diana Johnstone is particularly good on this subject), to the negative labeling of Milosevic as a hyper-Nationalist (we all know Bush and Kerry are nothing of the sort) and a fascist. All managed to find traction in the popular consciousness on the Balkans. The fundamental illegality and outright criminality of The Hague is obvious even if one insists on buying into the rest of the US story on Milosevic. At the very least I would hope the naked and blatant lack of fairness involved at the ICTY will be acknowledged, for it is the starting point for a re-examination of this entire shabby chunk of revisionist history. I hope that at the least, the biases and contradictions of the jingoistic press will be denounced; for to continue to accept the glaring lack of impartiality of this Tribunal, and its coverage, is to accept another step in the police state's death grip on our existence. <br>*******<br>America at War in Macedonia<br>--quote--<br>WAR, "DOLLARISATION" AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER<br><br>"Protection" of the pipelines, covert activities and the recycling of drug money in support of armed insurgencies, militarisation of strategic corridors, defence procurement to "Partnership for Peace" (PfP) countries are all an integral part of the Anglo-American axis and its quest to dominate oil and gas routes and transport corridors out of the Caspian sea basin and from the Black sea across the Balkans. <br><br>More generally, what is happening in the broader region linking Eastern Europe and the Balkans to the former Soviet republics is a relentless scramble for control over national economies by competing business conglomerates. And behind this process is the quest by Wall Street's financial establishment --in alliance with the defence and oil giants-- to destabilise and discredit the Deutschmark (and the Euro) with a view to imposing the US dollar as the sole currency for the region.<br><br>Control over "money creation" --imposing the rule of the US Federal Reserve system throughout the World-- has become a central feature of US expansionism. In this regard, Washington's military-intelligence ploy not only consists in undermining "EU enlargement", it is also intent upon weakening and displacing the dominion of Germany's largest banking institutions (e.g. Deutsche Bank, Commerzbank and WestDeutsche Landesbank) throughout the Balkans.<br><br>In other words, the New World Order is marked by the clash between Europe and America for "colonial control" over national currencies. And this conflict between "competing capitalist blocks" will become increasingly acute when several hundred million people from Eastern Europe and the Balkans to Central Asia start using the Euro as their "de facto" national currency on January 1st 2002. <br><br>****<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.transnational.org/pressinf/2006/pi234_PeacePrevention.html">www.transnational.org/pre...ntion.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Western peace prevention continues in former Yugoslavia* <br>--excerpt--<br>From 1993, Ceku went down and helped the most extremist people in his native Kosovo to build the KLA, the Kosovo Liberation Army behind the back of Dr. Rugova, the only pacifist leader in the now chopped-up country. (I know what Ceku did because I have had him tell me the story himself). KLA and Ceku was generously assisted by the German Intelligence Service, BND and - after the US took KLA off its list of terrorist organizations - by the CIA. The moderate, pragmatically non-violent Kosovo-Albanian leader Dr. Rugova, who recently passed away, was dangerous; imagine he had achieved an independent Kosovo by non-violent means: what a catastrophe for those who believe in violent intervention, bombings and occupations as roads to peace.<br><br>• Immediately after the West's UN-NATO-EU-OSCE occupation of Serbia's province, we were told that they disarmed the KLA. They didn't, and everybody knew. KLA was a leading agency in effecting about 200,000 Serbs to leave Kosovo; proportionately it was the largest ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. But it was ours, so the Western free press turned a blind eye. KLA people also orchestrated the warfare across the border in Southern Serbia, and the 8-months war in Macedonia. It's all conveniently forgotten today; it has to be since Western interests are heading for an independent Kosovo/a. It's the logical consequence of NATO's bombing in 1999. And it does not seem to bother too many that this whole process is also a violation of UN Security Council resolution 1244. With Mr. Ceku entering the scene as the West's preferred statesman, Dr. Rugova is dead in more than one sense.<br><br>****<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.transnational.org/pressinf/2001/pf118_MacedoniaVictim.html">www.transnational.org/pre...ictim.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Macedonia: Victim of Western Conflict-Mismanagement<br>--excerpt--<br>The international community lied about KLA/UCK demilitarisation. <br><br>Macedonia's deep crisis now is a consequence of the abominable moral and political fiasco of KFOR/NATO and the UNMIK mission in occupied Kosovo/a. In contrast to the politico-military-media complex' amnesia, some of us can still remember what happened two years ago. Rambo-like NATO generals rolled in and carved up Kosovo in sectors, sent the Yugoslav forces, soldiers, administrators and their families over to Serbia and declared self-confidently that the Kosovo Liberation Army, KLA/UCK, had been disarmed and dissolved and that stability had been introduced. KLA and related politicians had been wonderfully co-operative and were rewarded for this demobilisation and abolition by the establishment of the Kosovo Protection Corps, KPC, run by virtually the same generals but said to be completely civilian and serving, among others, as fire fighters. While the KLA numbered some 20,000 troops, the KPC was 5,000. We never heard what the rest chose to do.<br><br>The UN and NATO/KFOR turned a blind eye to KLA aggression.<br><br>Less than a year after this complete demilitarisation of the KLA, KLA units have passed unimpeded, it seems, through the American sector into the demilitarised zone and set up bases there from which they attack targets in Serbia. If Kosovo is an international protectorate, KLA's activity inside Serbia amounts to an international aggression. Virtually no media or Western politicians ask the simple question: how could a disbanded KLA from which all weapons have been taken, mount an attack across an internationally guarded and protected border? How could they do so under the eyes of 40.000 NATO/KFOR soldiers? Neither is the question raised: did they in fact keep the weapons (which means that NATO lied to the world) or were they disarmed and afterwards given weapons by someone?<br><br>As if this was not enough, Albanian military units turned up inside Macedonia in March. According to virtually all observers, they are predominantly armed from Kosovo/a, most performing openly as UCK. They tell world media that they can mobilise 40.000 man at arms and that the only things Macedonians understand is the language of weapons.<br><br>The dark forces of the West: CIA and all that.<br><br>A series of independent "dissident" analyses have focused on the question: who armed, and keeps on arming, Albanian extremists? Most of them point toward the US Central Intelligence Agency, CIA (once run by a Bush), and the German BND (once run by Klaus Kinkel). It is no longer a secret, if it ever was, that CIA infiltrated the OSCE Verifiers' Mission; it provided one pretext for the bombing by, among other activities, deciding on the spot and before investigations were made that the people found dead in Racak were victims of massacre by Serbs. Expert reports have challenged this, at the time unfounded, assertion. But it served its purpose: helping Clinton and Albright to justify the bombing.<br><br>The United States arms both sides!<br><br>Perhaps more conspicuous: Military Professional Resources Incorporated (MPRI), a mercenary company in Virginia, the United States, working on contract with Pentagon has trained BOTH the KLA and the Macedonian Army. It has worked also for the Bosnian Army and was deeply involved in training the Croatian Army which drove out some 200.000 legitimate Serb citizens from Croatia in 1995. In short, the type of actor that really helps bring about the specific EU and NATO type of peace.<br><br>In summary, while we are told that "suddenly" Macedonians and Albanians have started fighting each other, the truth is a bit more complex. The general underlying reason must be found in a decade of Western policies while the specific reasons are the NATO bombing and the failure of the NATO/KFOR and UN mission in Kosovo. These factors have destabilised the region beyond repair.<br>******<br>OUTSTANDING collection of Swan Commentary archived articles on the War in Yugoslavia and its Aftermath -- to be added to 1Tal's excellant Transnational.org link:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.swans.com/library/subjects/yugoslav.html">www.swans.com/library/sub...oslav.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>IMAGINE -- it's almost too absurd to consider the idiocy of some vain braindead dupe (who 1Tal refers to on a forum discussion-board) who discounts as 'conspiracy-theory' any and all of the abundant information (but not published in the MSM) that diverges from the simplistic, pathetic US official-script that Milosevic is a 'terrible bad guy' that the US had to destroy Yugoslavia and Macedonia to overthrow -- another kind of Saddam fall-guy. What's REALLY awful to contemplate is the the US manufactures such intellectually-vapid goofballs by the kind of brain-numbing curriculum-pap forcefed to children in our public schools.<br>--sigh--<br>--S<br>on edit -- added the swans.com link to the ref. above which I forgot (: <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starmanskye>StarmanSkye</A> at: 3/11/06 8:11 pm<br></i>
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Postby antiaristo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:53 pm

Starman,<br>The Court was set up with three judges.<br>One was Richard May, the lead judge.<br>He was English.<br>His Judicial Oath was to Queen Elizabeth.<br>Another was Patrick Robinson.<br>He is Jamaican.<br>His Judicial Oath was to Queen Elizabeth, but him being a black man, very few know this.<br><br>In February 2004 Richard May withdrew, citing "ill health".<br>Shortly afterwards, he became Sir Richard May.<br>A short time later he was dead.<br><br>Patrick Robinson took over as lead judge,<br><br>Two years later John Cleary is still at large, still stirring the shit, and showing no sign of giving up.<br><br>Just waiting for the testimony of Tony Blair. <p></p><i></i>
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