4th anniversary of Wellston's plane crash

[chiggerbit]

Today is the fourth anniversary of the crash of Paul Wellstone's plane. I remember travelling through north-central Illinois, in the vicinity or Reagan's birthplace, a few months before the crash, and had my radio tuned to some local radio station. It seemed odd how the person being interviewed was pushing so hard to trash Wellstone in the state of Illinois, seeing as how Wellstone was running for re-election to his Senate seat in the state of Minnesota. Why would Illinois listeners care about a Minnesota Senator? I remember thinking it was clear that the Republican party had targetted Wellstone. I had no idea how far they would go. I've wondered more than once since Wellstone's death if the person being interviewed had been sent out to tenderize the minds of midwestern listener's to accept Wellstone's death without questioning, as if to think, well good riddance.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It happened four years ago today. <br><br>On October 25, 2002, a private plane <br>carrying Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone <br>crashed under highlighly unusual <br>circumstances. <br><br>Ten days before his re-election.<br><br>Wellstone was an outspoken opponent of<br>George Bush and could have been counted<br>on to be a vigorous opponent of Bush's<br>plans to invade Iraq. <br><br>Why this crash was no accident:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/cia/cia4.html">www.brasscheck.com/videos/cia/cia4.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>- Brasscheck<br><br>Two years previously, Mel Carnahan who<br>was running against John Ashcroft for<br>the Missouri Senator seat died in <br>a private plane crash just weeks before<br>his election. <br><br>Carnahan was so popular that, even dead, <br>he received more votes that Ashcroft. <br>Ashcroft, of course, became Attorney<br>General under George Bush.<br><br>And, lest we forget, the son of John F. Kennedy,<br>the popular publisher of a liberal political <br>magazine, died in a strange aviation accident <br>the year before. <br><br>All just a coincidence.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/25/06 1:04 pm<br></i>

[Pissed Off Cabbie]

This is precisely why legislators don't stand up to Cheney and his cabin boy Shrubby. They've seen the light.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[wordspeak]

Thanks for posting that. A great performance by Fetzer. Has anyone here actually read his book on the topic? <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

I missed the anniversary of Carnahan's death: 10/16/2000. Sorry, Mel. Quite a coincidence, considering that both were running neck and neck, then each suddenly in the last days before the election started pulling ahead in the polls, Carnahan in 2000, and Wellstone in 2002. Also interesting that Carnahan's opponenet, John Asscroft, was rewarded for his loss, to Carnahan's wife, with the Attorney General position. There's more to Ashcroft's story than meets the eye. Weird dude, but maybe not weird enough for the Bushies. <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Thanks for posting that. A great performance by Fetzer. Has anyone here actually read his book on the topic?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>CityPages had a story on Fetzer, exposing him for the crack pot he is. I posted this a couple of months ago. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://citypages.com/databank/27/1334/article14475.asp">The Man Who Thought He Knew Too Much</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>You're welcome. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Careful, bvonahsen, your slip is showing. <p></p><i></i>

[Forgetting2]

I'm reminded of a a line from a movie, Talladega Nights. (Not trying to defend the movie) The American guy in the bar says, in response to a boast from the hated French man (that the French invented the Menage a Trois)<br><br>"We invented the missionary position...<br><br>You're welcome."<br><br><br>edited for drunken punctuation. might not be better... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=forgetting2>Forgetting2</A> at: 10/26/06 1:15 am<br></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>CityPages had a story on Fetzer, exposing him for the crack pot he is. I posted this a couple of months ago. <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sometimes crackpots are more open to truth.<br><br>The issues we explore here draw a lot of kooks, crackpots, and deluded paranoiacs. That doesn't mean the basic assumptions of people like Fetzer are incorrect -- that 9/11 was allowed to happen, that Wellstone was assassinated, and that the current administration is criminal and illegitimate. <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That doesn't mean the basic assumptions of people like Fetzer are incorrect <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>A meaningless statement since it doesn't mean he is correct either. So how do you know what is or isn't correct? There is an answer to that you know.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>that 9/11 was allowed to happen, <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>We don't know and probably never will. There is at very best only circumstantial evidence that it was allowed to happen. But here that appears to be the gold standard. Gossip and rumor are considered hard evidence here.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>that Wellstone was assassinated<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There is absolutely zero evidence for that.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>and that the current administration is criminal and illegitimate.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>No argument from me about that. I think you're right. <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

Dude, if you don't think Wellstone was assassinated, then just get the fuck out of here, now. Go. Leave. Goodbye.<br><br>Wellstone in 2008!...Sigh. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

So, bvon, which part of the video do you dispute? The weather conditions? The quality of the plane? <p></p><i></i>

[stickdog99]

Highly safe plane, fine weather, pilots who mysteriously veered more than a mile off course on their landing approach without any conceivable explanation, an unfathomably dangerous approach speed (more than 60 mph too slow) also with no conceivable explanation, two pilots and no emergency call, recent terrorism involving plane crashes and a ridiculously unpopular Senator who had attempts against his life in Latin America -- who was Rove's #1 adversary and who was about to win.<br><br>Nothing to see here, folks.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[km artlu]

Hey! You guys stop pickin' on bv. It's a well known fact that the FBI's new crime detection techniques routinely enable the dispatching of investigative teams before the crime has occured. Jeez. <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So, bvon, which part of the video do you dispute? The weather conditions? The quality of the plane?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't trust Fetzer, he's a crackpot and you can't trust him to be serious or to present unbiased evidence. You <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>can</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> trust that he will manipulate and distort anything so that he can twist it into his pet conspiracy theory. He has an agenda. That agenda is to glom onto any fame he can because his life has been one failure after another.<br><br>You ever been up north? I have, many many times. I don't trust his account. Frankly, I think he is playing word games when he discounts the weather conditions. His proof goes: The NTSB didn't fly into the Eveleth airport because of the weather, but rather because of policy. Therefore the weather must have been good. He also cites a pilot who was ten miles away who claims the weather was something any pilot could have handled. But if you have ever been to northern Minnesota you know just how bogus that claim is. The weather was bad, there was freezing rain and icing conditions. Fetzer is a liar. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.startribune.com/1752/story/52095.html">www.startribune.com/1752/...52095.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The captain of Sen. Paul Wellstone's fatal flight to Eveleth was so concerned about the weather that he briefly canceled the trip before deciding to go ahead with it, according to new information from crash investigators.<br><br>Three days earlier, the same pilot accidentally endangered Wellstone by flipping the wrong switch on a takeoff from St. Paul. That mistake by Capt. Richard Conry was corrected by his copilot after the plane pitched downward while trying to gain altitude just 300 feet off the ground.<br><br>"Oh, that could have been pretty bad," Conry reportedly told the copilot.<br><br>When the plane landed safely in Rochester, Wellstone jokingly told Conry to "get some sleep," the report said. Conry's copilot on that flight later suggested to Conry that he should consider retiring.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.startribune.com/1752/story/60203.html">www.startribune.com/1752/...60203.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Wellstone crash is second fatal accident for charter firm<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The last two fatal crashes of a Beechcraft King Air A100 were planes owned by Beech Transportation Inc. of Eden Prairie. The Wellstone campaign booked the senator's flight through one of Beech's sister enterprises, Aviation Charter. Those two accidents have claimed 10 of the 15 lives lost in A100s since 1982, the data show.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.startribune.com/1752/story/52069.html">www.startribune.com/1752/...52069.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Wellstone pilot had felony record<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Richard Conry, the chief pilot who flew U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone, his wife, daughter and three aides on last Friday's fatal flight, had a felony record for mail fraud and served at a federal prison camp in South Dakota in 1990, according to court records and attorneys.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>But you won't hear this evidence from Fetzer because he is too busy shitting on Paul Wellstone's grave with his lies. <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

I fail to see WTF the pilot's criminal record has to do with <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>ANYTHING</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. And how about that precognitive FBI team, eh? What, no comment? You're a tool. LEAVE. NOW. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>GOODBYE</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.realgm.com/boards/images/smiles/wave.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>