the food we eat, the air we breath

by jc » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Diabetes and depleted uranium Italian embassy refuses visa Bob Nichols June 29, 2006 - "You are not being truthful about the purpose of your visit to Italy. What is your interest in diabetes and depleted uranium?" the Italian consul in Bombay demanded to know. "I am just traveling to Italy to meet with Leuren Moret," the famous Indian doctor answered. Leuren Moret recounted the episode in an interview June 29, 2006. She said, "The doctor had never mentioned either diabetes or depleted uranium." The Italian government official was grilling one of the leading doctors in India. This "interview" at the Italian embassy took place June 27, 2006, in Bombay, India. The doctor had traveled to Italy several times before and did not expect such outrageous treatment. The consul denied the doctor permission to travel to Italy to meet with Moret. The doctor had said nothing about diabetes and nothing about depleted uranium. The embassy official had just let the cat out of the bag and confirmed the link between the global epidemic of diabetes and the use of depleted uranium by the U.S.-U.K. expeditionary forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and the former Yugoslavia. The official could only have known about the diabetes link to depleted uranium from the U.S. State Department and the source of it all: the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, "managed" for 61 years by the University of California. The University of California nuclear weapons labs are the core of the nuclear weapons program in the U.S., the only remaining superpower. The clumsy intervention by a superpower in the travel plans of a private individual to confer with a scientific colleague about global public health concerns highlights the explosive significance that the U.S. attaches to uncontrolled information about the global epidemic of diabetes. On May 29, Moret charged the University of California and the Los Alamos and Livermore Nuclear Weapons Labs with engineering the largest global increase of diabetes in history and trying to cover it up. Fine uranium dust, vaporized into a poison radioactive gas by exploding uranium bombs, missiles and bullets, hitches a ride on dry desert winds to circle the globe in days.  Dr. Chris Busby, a leading British radiation expert, got data from a nuclear weapons air monitoring facility at Aldemaston, England, which identified depleted uranium in the British atmosphere only nine days after the "shock and awe" carpet bombing of Baghdad, started in March of 2003.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m24318&hd=0&size=1&l=e">www.uruknet.info/?p=m24318&hd=0&size=1&l=e</a> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=leuren+moret&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8">more on Leuren Moret</a> * * * * * Introducing Test-Tube Meat - No Animals Required  <blockquote>Quote:<hr>What if the next burger you ate was created in a warm, nutrient-enriched soup swirling within a bioreactor? <hr></blockquote>I would first yack and then sue. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Edible, lab-grown ground chuck that smells and tastes just like the real thing might take a place next to Quorn at supermarkets in just a few years, thanks to some determined meat researchers. Scientists routinely grow small quantities of muscle cells in petri dishes for experiments, but now for the first time a concentrated effort is under way to mass-produce meat in this manner. <hr></blockquote>Just great. I knew I should have become a farmer. I wouldn't have to rely on these freaks for my food. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Henk Haagsman, a professor of meat sciences at Utrecht University, and his Dutch colleagues are working on growing artificial pork meat out of pig stem cells. They hope to grow a form of minced meat suitable for burgers, sausages and pizza toppings within the next few years. <hr></blockquote>And will there be some kind of warning requirement for consumers? Or will we be left to guess whether we're eating real meat or test-tube droppings? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Currently involved in identifying the type of stem cells that will multiply the most to create larger quantities of meat within a bioreactor, the team hopes to have concrete results by 2009. The 2 million euro ($2.5 million) Dutch-government-funded project began in April 2005. The work is one arm of a worldwide research effort focused on growing meat from cell cultures on an industrial scale. "All of the technology exists today to make ground meat products in vitro," says Paul Kosnik, vice president of engineering at Tissue Genesis in Hawaii. Kosnik is growing scaffold-free, self-assembled muscle. "We believe the goal of a processed meat product is attainable in the next five years if funding is available and the R&D is pursued aggressively." A single cell could theoretically produce enough meat to feed the world's population for a year. But the challenge lies in figuring out how to grow it on a large scale. Jason Matheny, a University of Maryland doctoral student and a director of New Harvest, a nonprofit organization that funds research on in vitro meat, believes the easiest way to create edible tissue is to grow "meat sheets," which are layers of animal muscle and fat cells stretched out over large flat sheets made of either edible or removable material. The meat can then be ground up or stacked or rolled to get a thicker cut.<hr></blockquote> YUCK!!! I am not eating another burger - EVER! <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"You'd need a bunch of industrial-size bioreactors," says Matheny. "One to produce the growth media, one to produce cells, and one that produces the meat sheets. The whole operation could be under one roof." The advantage, he says, is you avoid the inefficiencies and bottlenecks of conventional meat production. No more feed grain production and processing, breeders, hatcheries, grow-out, slaughter or processing facilities.<hr></blockquote> Pretty soon you won't need the people that eat the meat either! You can just grow US in petri dishes alongside the meat! <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"To produce the meat we eat now, 75 (percent) to 95 percent of what we feed an animal is lost because of metabolism and inedible structures like skeleton or neurological tissue," says Matheny. "With cultured meat, there's no body to support; you're only building the meat that eventually gets eaten."<hr></blockquote> Alright people, this is beyond bizarre. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The sheets would be less than 1 mm thick and take a few weeks to grow. But the real issue is the expense. If cultivated with nutrient solutions that are currently used for biomedical applications, the cost of producing one pound of in vitro meat runs anywhere from $1,000 to $10,000. <hr></blockquote>Of course, they'll never dish out that investment to feed us SHEEPLE. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Matheny believes in vitro meat can compete with conventional meat by using nutrients from plant or fungal sources, which could bring the cost down to about $1 per pound. <hr></blockquote>NOW, you know what they'll be using three years from now in the products they sell on your local fast-food restaurant's Value Menu. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>If successful, artificially grown meat could be tailored to be far healthier than any type of farm-grown meat. It's possible to stuff if full of heart-friendly omega-3 fatty acids, adjust the protein or texture to suit individual taste preferences and screen it for food-borne diseases. <hr></blockquote>They could just as easily pack it with retro-viruses. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>But will it really catch on? The Food and Drug Administration has already barred food products involving cloned animals from the market until their safety has been tested. There's also the YUCK factor. [emphasis added] "Cultured meat isn't natural, but neither is yogurt," says Matheny. "And neither, for that matter, is most of the meat we eat. Cramming 10,000 chickens in a metal shed and dosing them full of antibiotics isn't natural. I view cultured meat like hydroponic vegetables. The end product is the same, but the process used to make it is different. Consumers accept hydroponic vegetables. Would they accept hydroponic meat?"<hr></blockquote> Short answer: Hell no. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Taste is another unknown variable. Real meat is more than just cells; it has blood vessels, connective tissue, fat, etc. To get a similar arrangement of cells, lab-grown meat will have to be exercised and stretched the way a real live animal's flesh would. <hr></blockquote>You can't see me, but my jaw has dropped to the ground. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Kosnik is working on a way to create muscle grown without scaffolds by culturing the right combination of cells in a 3-D environment with mechanical anchors so that the cells develop into long fibers similar to real muscle. <hr></blockquote>It just dropped a few more inches. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The technology to grow a juicy steak, however, is still a decade or so away. No one has yet figured out how to grow blood vessels within tissue. <hr></blockquote>I guess we can thank God for the little things in life and make sure that the next time we shop for meat in the supermarket we look for a BONE. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"In the meantime, we can use existing technologies to satisfy the demand for ground meat, which is about half of the meat we eat (and a $127 billion global market)," says Matheny. <hr></blockquote>Oh joy. <a href="http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/07/introducing-test-tube-meat-no-animals.html">wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/07/introducing-test-tube-meat-no-animals.html</a>

by **bvonahsen** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You can't see me, but my jaw has dropped to the ground.<hr></blockquote> Hey! We can use that, pick it up and put it in the vat! 3 second rule you know.

by **DireStrike** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:18 pm

Seems to solve a lot of problems... and the only real obstacle is "gross"...

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:52 am

Frank Herbert's son co-authored a collection of Dune prequels that were of varying quality. One detail from the books that gives me a laugh reading this is the name of a(disgustingly) engineered animal raised for food that was called 'Slig'. We definately need to call this test-tube shit 'Slig Meat'. ____________________ Oderint, dum metuant

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:07 am

Sounds like the worst nightmares of a sci-fi writer come to life. Life? If I ate animals I'd hope they were healthier than me when they died for me. Didn't I read somewhere that eating your enemy's brain is the biggest buzz of all time? So why are they bothering with animals? Surely cloning human flesh is the ultimate aim? Is this why we're being weaned onto GM products? It seems all the protests here (UK) have come to nought when soya is added to every loaf of bread on the advice of the gov. What happened to the anti GM crowd? They were given a new anti.. War! Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seamusoblimey>Seamus OBlimey</A> at: 7/2/06 3:04 am

by **anotherdrew** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:17 am

we're being weened to GM food because with china coming on board as having a real middle-upper-class, the elite is going to run out of real decent good food if the people now buying it continue to. Hence they must be persuaded to eat GM. This is all well explianed in the great comedy series "Believe Nothing" which everyone should check out after finishing "yes, minister", "yes, prime minister" and "the new statesman". While you're at it you might as well watch "filthy, rich and catflap", "the comic strip" (especially the war episode), and "Alexi Sayle's Stuff". and yes this post is really just a plug for some great british comedy shows.

by **blanc** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:40 am

I'll have the nettle soup with that

by **bvonahsen** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:23 pm

"Slig Meat" Thats brilliant, love it. I think I wouldn't have a problem with this if it was plants, or textured algae or something. I eat Tofu all the time, I like in soups and salads and it isn't much different than what er're talking about here. If there were a bio-engineered process that gave you something that rasted like mushrooms, or cheese, wait, that's what cheese is. Anyway, something like that I could go for but meat? No way.

by **anothershamus** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:28 pm

one should only be able to eat meat if you KILL it first. i killed a deer and ate it. it was good. i don't want to kill anymore deer. i don't want to eat any more meat.

by **streeb** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:03 pm

Margaret Atwood came up with a lot of stomach-turning engineered meatstuff in "Oryx and Crake." Chickie-nubbins or something... grown in a tank. Mmm.

by jc » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:04 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Frank Herbert's son co-authored a collection of Dune prequels that were of varying quality. One detail from the books that gives me a laugh reading this is the name of a(disgustingly) engineered animal raised for food that was called 'Slig'. We definately need to call this test-tube shit 'Slig Meat'.<hr></blockquote> Ego, Frank himself came up with that earlier on, as I recall they crossed a sloth and a pig= slig, and he used it to show the decadence of the empire.

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:46 pm

Anotherdrew, what about blackadder, bottom and the obvious ones. On the plus side, stephen fry's PR agency (see Absolute Power) has just got the contract to make test tube meat seem not only natural, but the pinnacle of human development.

by **Mentalgongfu** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:10 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>one should only be able to eat meat if you KILL it first.<hr></blockquote> I agree with this in principle; however, it is being made harder and harder in many places to do so. Hunting regulations have gone past the point of absurdity in the U.S., IMO. When you think about mechanisms of control, controlling the food supply is a key component. It is no longer feasible for most people to catch their own fish or hunt your own game, even if they want to. I respect vegetarians, vegans and the like and generally understand that POV, but I hop off at the "meat is evil" idea. To me, eating flesh is as natural as defecation or ejaculation. Not always pretty, often messy, but quite natural. As for the disgusting concoction of artificial WTF mentioned above, the only thing which makes me sicker than thinking about test tube "meat" is thinking about how it will be marketed.

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:25 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>one should only be able to eat meat if you KILL it first.<hr></blockquote> I dunno about that. If you are 5 and your olds hunt a feed for you, you shouldn't be able to eat it? I think you should be aware you are eating something that died for you to live. And act accordingly. I last killed a feed 6 years ago. A mate me a pig for a feast at my 30th birthday. I looked it in the eye and shot it. My wife has never eaten meat in the 12 years I have known her. She has her thing I have mine. But at the time I was thinking I should kill something and see if I can still eat it. If not I am never eating meat again. That pig fed 30 people and then assorted friends for days. we took, (well I took) its life, but I certainly would not say I "wasted" it in any sense. when I die the worms and bugs may eat me, depending how I go, I might get eaten beforehand, who knows. (Not without a fight). Get over it. Life feeds on life. its the paradox of lifes beauty. my missus has no issue with test tube meat (depending on how its grown). She has issues with killing consciousness for food. I don't hassle her about plant consciousness. Anyway I still eat meat, that pig was one of the nicest things I had ever tasted, but organic healthy meat is tasty, same with organic healthy fruit and veg. But I have a lot more respect and reverence for what i am doing now - taking life to live. Maybe not enough - who knows, I'd like to think so; but alot more than i had. I hate being responsible for roadkill, but test tube meat isn't any better or worse than real meat, on principle (ever eaten spam, whats in that?). before you spin out about vat grown meat tho, spin out about terminator seed technology. It was almost ratified this year, will be soon I reckon. Fuck monsatan.

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