Senate bill introduced on WEATHER MODIFICATION.

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Senate bill introduced on WEATHER MODIFICATION.

Postby Watchful Citizen » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:29 am

(Would someone please post this over at DU in Tinoire's eloquent chastisement of admin for censorship?)<br><br>So the DemocraticUnderground admin and mods were deleting any New Orleans references to weather control by the government as 'over the top' and a threat to DU's credibility due to the negative attention from the NYT and Fox after the tsunami. I knew it.<br><br>Shows how uninformed they are about the Pentagon.<br><br>Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison introduced a bill to to determine oversight and funding of US government weather modification programs THIS YEAR.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theorator.com/bills109/s517.html">www.theorator.com/bills109/s517.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005<br><br> 109th CONGRESS<br>1st Session<br><br>S. 517<br><br>To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.<br><br>IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES<br><br>March 3, 2005<br><br>Mrs. HUTCHISON introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation<br><br>A BILL<br><br>To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.<br><br> Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, <br><br>SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.<br><br> This Act may be cited as the `Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005'. <br><br>SEC. 2. PURPOSE.<br><br> It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development. <br><br>SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.<br><br> In this Act: <br><br> (1) BOARD- The term `Board' means the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board. <br><br> (2) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR- The term `Executive Director' means the Executive Director of the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board. <br><br> (3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The term `research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes. <br><br> (4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere. <br><br>SEC. 4. WEATHER MODIFICATION ADVISORY AND RESEARCH BOARD ESTABLISHED.<br><br> (a) IN GENERAL- There is established in the Department of Commerce the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board. <br><br> (b) MEMBERSHIP- <br><br> (1) IN GENERAL- The Board shall consist of 11 members appointed by the Secretary of Commerce, of whom-- <br><br> (A) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Meteorological Society; <br><br> (B) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Society of Civil Engineers; <br><br> (C) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Academy of Sciences; <br><br> (D) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Center for Atmospheric Research of the National Science Foundation; <br><br> (E) at least 2 shall be representatives of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the Department of Commerce; <br><br> (F) at least 1 shall be a representative of institutions of higher education or research institutes; and <br><br> (G) at least 1 shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather modification projects. <br><br> (2) TENURE- A member of the Board serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of Commerce. <br><br> (3) VACANCIES- Any vacancy on the Board shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointment. <br><br> (b) ADVISORY COMMITTEES- The Board may establish advisory committees to advise the Board and to make recommendations to the Board concerning legislation, policies, administration, research, and other matters. <br><br> (c) INITIAL MEETING- Not later than 30 days after the date on which all members of the Board have been appointed, the Board shall hold its first meeting. <br><br> (d) MEETINGS- The Board shall meet at the call of the Chair. <br><br> (e) QUORUM- A majority of the members of the Board shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number of members may hold hearings. <br><br> (f) CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR- The Board shall select a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members. <br><br>SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.<br><br> (a) PROMOTION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- In order to assist in expanding the theoretical and practical knowledge of weather modification, the Board shall promote and fund research and development, studies, and investigations with respect to-- <br><br> (1) improved forecast and decision-making technologies for weather modification operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and <br><br> (2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects). <br><br> (b) FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE- Unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, the Board shall use amounts in the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund-- <br><br> (1) to pay its expenses in the administration of this Act, and <br><br> (2) to provide for research and development with respect to weather modifications by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements, with public or private agencies. <br><br> (c) REPORT- The Board shall submit to the Secretary biennially a report on its findings and research results. <br><br>SEC. 6. POWERS OF THE BOARD.<br><br> (a) STUDIES, INVESTIGATIONS, AND HEARINGS- The Board may make any studies or investigations, obtain any information, and hold any hearings necessary or proper to administer or enforce this Act or any rules or orders issued under this Act. <br><br> (b) PERSONNEL- The Board may employ, as provided for in appropriations Acts, an Executive Director and other support staff necessary to perform duties and functions under this Act. <br><br> (c) COOPERATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES- The Board may cooperate with public or private agencies to promote the purposes of this Act. <br><br> (d) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for conducting weather modification activities or cloud-seeding operations. <br><br> (e) CONDUCT AND CONTRACTS FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The Executive Director, with the approval of the Board, may conduct and may contract for research and development activities relating to the purposes of this section. <br><br>SEC. 7. COOPERATION WITH THE WEATHER MODIFICATION OPERATIONS AND RESEARCH BOARD.<br><br> The heads of the departments and agencies of the United States and the heads of any other public or private agencies and institutions that receive research funds from the United States shall, to the extent possible, give full support and cooperation to the Board and to initiate independent research and development programs that address weather modifications. <br><br>SEC. 8. FUNDING.<br><br> (a) IN GENERAL- There is established within the Treasury of the United States the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund, which shall consist of amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) or received by the Board under subsection (c). <br><br> (b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2014. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended. <br><br> (c) GIFTS- The Board may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property. <br><br>SEC. 9. EFFECTIVE DATE.<br><br> This Act shall take effect on October 1, 2005. <br><br>END <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Senate bill introduced on WEATHER MODIFICATION.

Postby dbeach » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:34 am

fascist pigs is the entire DC political scene..career criminals..<br><br>SCALAR and HAARP ..created Killer Katrina..BUT did bush do it or putin or her royal reptoid unmajesty of windsor??<br><br>all will profit from the loss and eat the loosh of the sacrificed..<br><br>putin may be more human than most??..but he wants to control the world for his elites...and many are in the same circles <p></p><i></i>
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re:senate bill...

Postby rain » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:40 am

well, that all sounds harmless enough. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:senate bill...

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:17 pm

thanks for the ghuffaw, rain.<br><br>so let's just see if me widdle brain can figure this out. massman is going to pay 10 million dollars a year for ten years so that hierarchy man can give massman whatever weather he wishes upon him.<br><br>great plan. here here, yes, let's do it.<br><br>and let's get rid of that nasty old estate tax while we're at it. how the hell do you expect Jr inheritor to live on a mere couple-hundred million instead of the billions he is entitled to? hey, his daddy may have been called home to his maker, but we're busy making sure a dead man can keep holding on to his wealth on earth forever.<br><br>where would we be without these geniuses in congress making us safer and safer all the time?<br><br>you know? i just looked out my window, and there's another day trying to creep onto my lawn. is congress going to do something about that? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Would someone please post this over at DU"

Postby LibertyorDeath » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:29 pm

<br>Done <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4630068&mesg_id=4644222">www.democraticunderground...id=4644222</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Democratic Underground - Well the UNITED STATES SENATE is busy doing it EarlG <p></p><i></i>
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This thread is locked

Postby Dreams End » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:48 pm

This thread provides incontrevertible evidence of a conspiracy theory and so will be locked.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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!tnx! Add>Lawrence Livermore Labs paper by EDWARD TELLER

Postby Watchful Citizen » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:54 pm

(Don't be put off by the Jeff Rense link. This is from America's leading nuclear weapon scientists working for the Pentagon).<br><br>Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories paper pdf prepared August, 1997 for the 22nd International Conference on Planetary Emergencies titled<br>'Global Warming and Ice Ages: Prospects of Physics-base Modulation of Global Change' by three scientists including father of the hydrogen bomb, Edward Teller.<br><br>The paper explains on page 16 that diffusing 1% of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface could be accomplished by using planes to fill the air with particulate matter to diffuse the light.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap041013.html">antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap041013.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>With more people becoming aware of this Pentagon project, NASA put photos of chem trails on their website for kids and called them "contrail clutter" to be studied during Science Week. <p></p><i></i>
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oops. url for Livermore Labs pdf on Global Warming here...

Postby Watchful Citizen » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:56 pm

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Re: oops. url for Livermore Labs pdf on Global Warming here.

Postby dbeach » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:09 pm

Rense has more credibility than DU and he is most likely not a Nazi..people laffat UFOs alines ect..read up on the Eisenhower dental visit...<br><br>did he go to the dentsit or meet with the reptiles???<br><br>Seen a UFO and have fought lil aliens in my home<br><br>so call me whatever..but my pt is just regular folks see this stuff and I am just a regular kinda of guy..lil fanatical about the ocean but thats it.. <p></p><i></i>
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Allegations Surface That US, Russia Have Technology to Manag

Postby DrDebugDU » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:11 pm

Since Alex Jones copied a post I made, I might as well do the same in return LOL<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Harnessing Weather: Allegations Surface That US, Russia Have Technology to Manage Hurricanes<br><br>American Free Press/Mike Blair | September 5 2005<br><br>Author Sydney Sheldon said, “The old adage that everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it is no longer valid,” in an afterword to his fascinating novel Are You Afraid of the Dark?<br><br>“Today,” Sheldon continued, “two superpowers have the ability to control weather around the world: the United States and Russia. Other countries, probably China and North Korea, are working feverishly to catch up.”<br><br>As this article was being written the aftereffects of Hurricane Katrina were still being felt in the southeastern United States, after it caused billions of dollars in damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast, and the death toll from the killer storm was still being tabulated.<br><br>Could this devastation have been avoided? Could Katrina itself have been avoided as a death-dealing hurricane?<br><br>The answers to both questions are probably “Yes.” The ability of Russia and the United States to create storms of this magnitude definitely exists.<br><br>The big question that remains is, why, then, wasn’t Katrina stopped before it devastated three states—Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi—along the Gulf Coast?<br><br>There could be any number of reasons, but all would be mere speculation, as the fact is nothing was done to stop Katrina.<br><br>Those who doubt that Katrina, or any other hurricane, could be stopped—or created—can find substantiation in a long-forgotten article by Chen May Yee in the Nov. 13, 1997, issue of The Wall Street Journal.<br><br>The article recounts an offer by the Russians to aid Malaysia to create a typhoon to dissipate a pall of smoke that hung over the country—and still does—caused by the burning of large sections of the rain forests in Indonesia and Sumatra.<br><br>To quote from the article: Datuk Law Hieng Ding, Malaysia’s minister for science, technology and the environment at the time, said his country “would use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air.”<br><br>The article went on to say that a Malaysian company, BicCure Sdn. Bhd., would sign a memorandum of understanding with a government-owned Russian company to create a cyclone that would cause torrential rains and thus cleanse the air over Malaysia of the smoke and ash.<br><br>What Russian company was the Malaysian official talking about?<br><br>On Oct. 2, 1992, The Wall Street Journal reported that a Russian company, Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc., has weather control equipment for sale and uses the advertising slogan of “weather made to order.”<br><br>Igor Pirogoff, director of the company, said “Elate is capable of fine-tuning weather patterns over a 200-squaremile area for as little as $200 U.S. per day,” the newspaper reported.<br><br>A year before the article was written, Hurricane Andrew caused $30 billion in damages as it plowed through the South. Pirogoff said Andrew could have been turned into “a wimpy little squall.”<br><br>According to a UN pamphlet, titled Basic Facts about the United Nations, which was published in 1994, the world body negotiated the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques in 1977. This “prohibits the use of techniques that would have widespread, long-lasting or severe effects through deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomena as earthquakes, tidal waves, and changes in climate and in weather patterns.”<br><br>Getting back to Malaysia, where the potential for creating or dissipating cyclones seems to have made its first appearance, there was never any follow-up to the stories about Elate and whether in fact the cyclone was created, although it was approved by the Malaysian government.<br><br>A call by American Free Press to the Malaysian Embassy in<br>Washington found no one there with any knowledge of the<br>subject.<br><br>However, there was more success when the Malaysian delegation to the UN was contacted in New York. There, a spokesman claimed to have no knowledge of the creation of a cyclone, but was willing to discuss weather control in his country.<br><br>The official said that, by using weather control technology, rain could be created and was being created over the nation’s capital of Kuala Lumpur.<br><br>He said that often rain was created over the city to cleanse the air of the smoke emanating from Indonesia, and particularly Sumatra.<br><br>He indicated he did not know if the technology being used had been obtained from Russia, but it would appear that such technology to create rain on demand would not have been developed in a Third World country like Malaysia.<br><br>There have been numerous reports in recent years about strange changes in the jet stream, which have created alterations in the weather.<br><br>In 1982 a report by a Pentagon researcher, identified as L. Ponte, noted that “the Soviets have made advances in bending the all-important jet stream that sweeps across Siberia to set global wind patterns. By using explosive devices in the jet stream, scientists are trying to make it dip and rise in a wave that could replace the frigid Siberian winters with milder air from the South.”<br><br>How this would affect weather in other parts of the world was not reported by Ponte, but there have been dozens of reports since his 1982 report about changes in the jet stream’s normal behavior.<br><br>In 1996, a group of seven U.S. Air Force officers, who had prepared a research paper about weather warfare, issued a report, which concluded that there was technology under development that would provide “warriors of the future” with the means to control the course of military conflicts, including through the use of weather modification.<br><br>The study also states that manipulation of precipitation, storms and fog could improve America’s own weather but could also involve controlling the ionosphere to guarantee U.S. dominance of worldwide communications.<br><br>Is major weather control really possible? Is weather manipulation a means of conducting war? If not, why in 1977 did the United States, the then-Soviet Union and dozens of other countries believe it was a good idea to enact a UN treaty banning weather manipulation as a means of conducting war?<br><br>In the afterword of his book, Sheldon concludes:<br><br>“Weather is the most powerful force we know. Whoever controls it can disrupt world economies with perpetual rainstorms or tornadoes; wipe out crops in a drought; cause earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis; close world airports and cause devastation on enemy battlefields. “We could all sleep better if a world leader said, ‘Everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it, and it was true.”<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/050905managehurricanes.htm">prisonplanet.com/articles...icanes.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sorry, but DU have a point.

Postby Sokolova » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:28 pm

The fact that there is research going on into 'weather modification' is not evidence that people in power can create hurricanes at will. It's evidence that people in power are interested in being able to control the weather. Well, of course they are. People in power are interested in being able to control everything. It doesn't mean they can.<br><br><br>We need (as I keep saying) to try and distinguish in some way between fact and rumor or we are simply losing it. There are a lot of rumors about HAARP - and even a book that seems to be largely based on those rumors. How much fact is there to support it all?<br><br> I have searched online and have found lots of stuff about the experiments that may have been done involving zapping the ozone layer and how this may create a destabilising effect on the weather, but even if these rumors are true this is a long way from creating hurricances. So far I haven't found anything to show that anyone has developed the system to the point where weather systems can be developed at will, nor indeed to suggest this is even possible or ever would be possible. Does anyone else know of any such data?<br><br>Before we begin claiming anything let's do the basic work. Is such a system scientifically viable? If so how would it work? What would it do? Let's have some rational solid backup to the claims. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sorry, but DU have a point.

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:32 pm

How can we distinguish in some way between fact and rumor at DU if it is not allowed to be discussed there? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sorry, but DU have a point.

Postby Dreams End » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:34 pm

I don't understand why people are so adament about posting at DU. Use this forum, or start a "DU refugee" forum. Why do you all put up with that arrogance? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I am not saying that it doesn't have a point

Postby DrDebugDU » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:40 pm

Indeed it is a valid point that nothing has been proven yet. It is also valid to keep an open mind to the possibility of weather control.<br><br>Is it viable? Well it depends on the scale. I think that technology for large scale control is not probably not possible, however on a small scale it is.<br><br>Let's go back to 1952 when a rain creating experiment caused a flood and a storm:<br><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END--><br>Thursday, 30 August, 2001, 20:13 GMT 21:13 UK <br>Rain-making link to killer floods<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1515000/images/_1516880_cloudseeder300.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Thirty-five deaths in the infamous Lynmouth flood disaster came only days after RAF rain-making experiments over southern England, it has emerged</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br>Ninety million tonnes of water swept down the narrow valley into Lynmouth on 15 August, 1952, destroying whole buildings. <br><br>Now, a BBC investigation has confirmed that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>secret experiments were causing heavy rainfall</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. <br><br>Classified documents on the trials have gone missing, but people involved have told their story for the BBC Radio Four's Document programme. <br><br>North Devon experienced 250 times the normal August rainfall in 1952. <br><br>Survivors tell how the air smelled of sulphur on the afternoon of the floods, and the rain fell so hard it hurt people's faces. <br><br>The East and West Lyn rivers, which drop rapidly down from Exmoor, were swollen even before the fatal storm. <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1515000/images/_1517644_wreckedstreet150bbc.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Trees were uprooted and formed dams behind bridges, creating walls of water that carried huge boulders into the village, destroying shops, hotels and homes. <br><br>Bodies washed out to sea were never found. Dilys Singleton lost six members of her family, including her grandmother.<br><br>Survivors called for an investigation into the causes, and rumours of planes circling prior to the deluge. <br><br><snip><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1516880.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1516880.stm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: British scientist mysteriously deported from Belarus

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:53 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x727442">www.democraticunderground...102x727442</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>British scientist mysteriously deported from Belarus<br>Authorities of Belarus made a decision to deport a British scientist. The Belarussian Interior Affairs Ministry rescinded the visa of the British citizen Alan Flowers. The scientist has been analyzing the consequences of the Chernobyl catastrophe for more than ten years. Spokespeople for the ministry refused to comment the reasons of such a measure. <br><br>The scientist, who specializes in radiology studies, believes his deportation is tied with his contacts with non-state organizations. The British Foreign Ministry confirmed the fact of deportation, although there were no comments released on the matter either. <br><br>Alan Flowers has probably come to conclusions, which could have provoked a negative reaction in the governments of the former Soviet Union. The British scientist particularly proposed USSR"s special services arranged artificial rains in Belarus after the nuclear disaster in 1986 not to let the wind blow the contaminated air towards Moscow. <br><br>The British scientist says many of his colleagues in Belarus support his theory, although they prefer not to talk about it in public. The reasons of such radioactive rains are not known yet, which does not allow estimating the capacity and nature of radioactive contamination. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/92/370/13618_brttscie...">english.pravda.ru/world/2...rttscie...</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Belarus deports Chernobyl expert<br><br>Vladimir Kuzura, an official from the Belarusian Interior Ministry, refused to explain the reasons behind the withdrawal of Dr Flowers' visa and the deportation order. <br><br>But Dr Flowers is said to have made a claim that, if proved right, would cause great embarrassment to former top Soviet officials. <br><br>According to Vera Rich, who was the Soviet correspondent of the scientific journal Nature at the time of the tragedy, many believe the then Soviet Union seeded clouds to make them rain on Belarus. <br><br>The move was aimed at preventing winds from blowing contaminated material towards Moscow, theorists say. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3943013.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3943013.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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