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Calling all Debunkers - Time to sharpen your scalpels...

Postby steve vegas » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:50 am

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Chemtrail related.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>I've seen <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rbnlive.com/mechanic.html#email">this letter</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> twice now, I guess it must have been a link off rense both times. Please rip it apart, I just can't trust it as it's on a right-wing fundy website.<br><br>I really do "believe" something is happening up there, I see it too frequently, particularly in the summer here in Taipei, but bascially everywhere I've been/lived in the last 8 years. I don't know what the hell is going on but it ain't no damn contrails, so please, when debunking don't tell me about no stinkin' contrails. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby steve vegas » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:53 am

An Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic<br>For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.<br><br>I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.<br><br>First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.<br><br>Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".<br><br>Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.<br><br>No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.<br><br>The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.<br><br>Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.<br><br>Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.<br><br>One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.<br><br>When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.<br><br>As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.<br><br>As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"<br><br>The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.<br><br>The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.<br><br>Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.<br><br>I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.<br><br>The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.<br><br>When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.<br><br>I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.<br><br>If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.<br><br>I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.<br><br>Chem Trails From Airliner It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.<br><br>The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.<br><br>About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.<br><br>He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.<br><br>The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.<br><br>We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.<br><br>The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.<br><br>I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.<br><br>Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.<br><br>mechanic3 (33K) The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!<br><br>That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.<br><br>I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.<br><br>That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."<br><br>Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.<br><br>While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.<br><br>The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.<br><br>They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.<br><br>God help us all.<br><br>-- A concerned citizen <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby sunny » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:05 am

This "mechanic" fogot the fuel tanks.<br><br>It seems obvious, but I know the position exists because my son did it for over a year. Not a pleasant job. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby dugoboy » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:17 am

steve that site isn't actually that bad, take a good look at it.<br><br>sunny, what do you mean he forgot the fuel tanks? <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby sunny » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:36 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".<br><br>Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.<br><br>No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I simply meant that the letter writer listed every other area in which an aircraft mechanic works, including non-essential systems, but left out the fuel tanks. There are mechanics who work only in the tanks. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 6/15/06 8:37 am<br></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby sunny » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:39 am

Let me make clear, I am not debunking his claims; I just thought it was strange he left that out. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby Dreams End » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:47 am

I can't debunk it but someone has...and I think it was on a site that looks seriously at chemtrails, so there was no debunking agenda. Sorry I can't remember the rationale. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:48 pm

It's a fake. The person who made it admited to the hoax years ago.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby steve vegas » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:04 pm

sorry to rush to judgement on that site, I saw the red, white and blue and the word republic and automatically assumed it was in the other camp, I'll take a better look... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby sunny » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:17 pm

Checked in here to see what Steve had to say and noticed one of my comments has disappeared. Same thing happened on the "have you raped a baby?" thread. What is going on? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Text of letter here

Postby greencrow0 » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:56 pm

One of my comments disappeard from the WTC Nist report...<br><br>I guess this site is being hacked.<br><br>GC <p></p><i></i>
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Jim Phelps re: JP8 Jet Fuel and Chemtrails

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:44 pm

My reading of chemtrails has led to what I consider to be the best-supported theory that it involves the deliberate, planned modification of modern jet fuel with hygrosopic chemicals, what we now know as JP8, that along with modern high-bypass jet engines, is designed to create high-reflectance water-vapor clouds.<br><br>Jim Phelps from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, as the avowed 'inventor' or discoverer of modern chemtrail theories and practices, provides one of the more complete, technical descriptions of what's involved and how it has come to be one of the most deceitful plots in a 'Defense Industry' history replete with numerous instances of betrayals, human experimentztioins, abuse of authority and power, cover-ups and enormous public health dangers.<br><br>The following except helps explain the basic principles involved, focussing on the scientidic and chemical details. The idea of small, isolated 50-gallon tanks as described in the article posted above is evidently misleading and wrong -- the size is entirely inadequate to account for the mass of chemical adulturant necessary to cause the effects observed -- and the chemicals need to pass THRU the engines.<br><br>Phelps' discussions typically extend into quasi-religious topics and themes which are not crucial to understand the principle of chemtrails and how they are being used to mitigate global warming effects. If anyone does additional reading on Phelp's you'll see what I mean.<br>Starman<br>******<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://members.aol.com/magnu96196/NewYear.html">members.aol.com/magnu96196/NewYear.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>by Jim Phelps<br><br>--excerpt--<br>Lots of Whistleblowers became public in Oak Ridge in the 80s attempts to expose many of the cover ups and crimes, but they were generally ran over by a corrupted system where the DOE IG acts to cover up matters of Govt. enforcement acting to charge the same Govt. It was and still is a system that failed to protect Whistleblowers, workers, and communities. DOE's Hazel O'Leary's own Asst. Sec., named Bob Alvarez, made sure all the whistleblowers of merit were run over, and was the head of a national group called the "Military Production Network" [MPN] that did much of the same. It is spin-offs of this same system that has totally corrupted the Whistleblower protection laws, particularly in 1998 laws with organizations called GAP and POGO involved. <br><br>In the latter 70s, when I came to ORNL it was not long before I learned of nuclear criticality "slow cookers" in the ORNL Gunnite Tanks, another nuclear criticality at the ORNL Molten Salt Reactor's fuel storage tank, and all manner of problems from UF-6 and HF emissions at this Reactor and the large Oak Ridge Gas Diffusion Plant, and an HF area of the Y-12 plant called the "Green Salt" Operation. ORNL was shifting into attempting to clean up these criticality problems in the 80s and these clean up operations slowly changed the emissions of the very dangerous HF chemical. <br><br>At night, the K-25 Gas Diffusion Plant would crank up its purge system releases and the air would become toxic with fluoride emissions to air. The plant emitted lots of water vapor due to all the water heat transfer towers used to remove the heat of compression from the diffusion process. These cooling towers together with the acid emissions of HF caused this plant to be surrounded by fogs and low clouds. It was this effect and watching how volcanoes act to from sulfur and acid emissions that lead to the first of the ideas for what some today call "Chemtrails" techniques. <br><br>Everyone that has taken basic chemistry knows that high concentration acids are often termed "fuming" acids, as when they evaporate into the air they nucleate water particles from their polar molecular property and make a fog in the air. These effects are easily seen around active volcano releases as the acids plus the sulfur compound releases nucleate clouds downwind of volcanic releases. Many industrial processes emit chemicals that make clouds, and the large DOE Hanford Plants acid emissions were reported to be affecting the weather patterns over the Midwest from the chemical dissolving run emissions on hot irradiated fuel elements. <br><br>Mother Nature gets into the sulfur emissions via volcanos, and this influences cloud formations over large areas. Mother Nature also gets into sulfur emissions from the oceans due to phytoplankton decay. A volatile chemical called DMS is emitted from Ocean surfaces around large areas of phytoplankton growth. The DMS is readily changed to DMSO by the Sunlight and UV radiation effects. The DMSO is a sulfur compound that is hygroscopic just like coal emission sulfide compounds and polar acid molecules and this makes for clouds over the oceans that reflect the Sun's heat from the Ocean's Surfaces. <br><br>When the Ozone Hole effect was found in the early 80s, it was very easy to link that effect to radiation damage to the phytoplankton systems of the Southern Oceans and the lessening of this cloud making system that protects the Oceans from heat absorption. Some plants were very sensitive to increases in UV-b and some aren't, and unfortunately phytoplankton are very sensitive to increased UV-b. The Ozone Hole and the "El Nino" effects were easily associated to this increased heating being injected into the deep ocean system of currents. In the early 80s, it was just logical and obvious to make this association via their time correlation and the sensitiveness of phytoplankton to radiation. Today, this effect sets up this increased number of hurricanes and their more destructive energies, El Nino, and the disturbances of the Gulf Stream causing disruptions in the climate of Europe. <br><br>Since I was the first person to recognize this effect at ORNL, way back in the mid 1980s, I was also the first to come up with ideas to attempt to replace this cloud making cooling effect. One of the first ideas that came to mind was the use of EDB, which was a gasoline additive to leaded gasoline banned in the early 80s. EDB mixed in jet fuel would make H-Br, a polar acid that could result in the seeding of persistent high altitude Cirrus type clouds. It was based on the same acid effects [HF] that made the persistent fogs around the Oak Ridge Gas Diffusion plant and the same methods of volcanic acids in making persistent cloud systems and weather downwind of volcano emissions. <br><br>Most of the chemtrails science is just high school chemistry and not very difficult. The science is basic combustion science and either depends on carbon based fossil fuels or sometimes on man-made chemicals. The next best example for learning chemtrail techniques is solid fuel rockets. Everyone knows that Lockheed-Martin builds chemical rockets in Colorado, and even pollutes the Colorado River with so much chlorate runoff that is gets into lettuce crops in California. When chemical compounds burn at high temperature their molecular combinations become totally disassociated. <br><br>As the individual atoms cool they tend to recombine based in the electronegativity differences between the atoms and the random physical combinations that place different atom nearer to each other. Electronegativity is determined by a descending scaled from the upper right hand side of the Periodic Table to the Lower left hand side. It follows this sort of descending scale: F > O > Cl > N > Br > S > C > H > Si > Al > Ca > Cs See: [<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauling_scale">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauling_scale</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END-->] The case of the EDB additive to gasoline or jet fuels H-Br is formed, as the more simple compound needing only one hydrogen and one bromine atom joining together. HBr is stable with the water from the burn process and forms water droplet fogs from the water vapor in the atmosphere. <br><br>In the case of solid rocket fuel using ammonium perchlorate and powdered aluminum metal as fuel, it forms HCl, AlN, Al(OH)3, AlCl3*6HOH, Al2O3, and other compounds. It is difficult to describe the process using a single chemical equation, as within the rocket plume several compounds dominate and as these mix with water vapor, oxygen, and nitrogen in the plume's fringe other products form from those unstable in air and water. For those who want to examine the chemical aspects of these matters I highly recommend a reference called "Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary" and one can find how all these simple mechanisms are part of well known industrial chemical processes. <br><br>The HCl in the rocket emissions form the huge white clouds that follow things like Space Shuttle Launches or military rocket launches. Rocket motors are common examples of chemtrail methods that pull water vapor from the atmosphere to form clouds or fog. When one uses the water in the atmosphere to form the clouds needed to cool the planet's surface, one dramatically lessens the amount of material needed to be lifted into the atmosphere to accomplish Geoengineering type goals. The Sun does the lifting of the water vapor into the atmosphere and smaller amounts or polar chemicals added via rockets or jet emissions set up the formation of massive amounts of clouds to shade the planet and reflect IR radiation back into space. <br><br>The 80s were a time of interesting properties being found for aluminum compounds. "Gamma" type alumina catalysts was being used in oil refinery processes to increase the output of jet fuel. Hydrogen was being used to remove the sulfur from the refinery process and increase the hydrogen in jet fuel. Zeolite, a silicon and aluminum matrix formed from volcanic releases, had been found to soak up oil and water better than a mop, and even used by the Russians to soak up Sr-90 from the Chernobyl nuclear releases. <br><br>The abilities of aluminum compounds to take on hydrogen and water caused the first interests in adding an aluminum compound to jet fuels to soak up acid pollution in the air and to form particles from the water vapor in the atmosphere to reflect IR from the Sun. Here the main reaction that was important was similar to the one for solid rockets due to the 78 percent presence of nitrogen in the air. The idea was to have an alcohol like fuel additive like tetraethyl-lead, but one made from aluminum like trimethyl Aluminum (C3H9Al). Using this technique there was no abrasive metals or ceramics in the jet turbines, and the aluminum compound would fully disassociate in the nitrogen rich atmosphere. <br><br>Therefore, due to the combustion process the aluminum atoms would be near nitrogen atoms and the first simple compounds to form would be Al-N. AlN is unstable in a wet atmosphere and will convert rapidly into Al(OH)3 or "hydrated alumina." This "alpha" alumina product would interact in the atmosphere with acid products from coal burning to produce compounds like Al2(SO4)3*18HOH, or Al(NO3)3*9HOH, or AlCl3*6HOH. These were large molecules that pulled in lots of water vapor to form large visible particles that would attract even more water vapor. This was the basics for the aluminum chemtrails techniques that pulled in water from the atmosphere to produce the "Mie Scattering" from large particles needed to reflect the Sun's incident IR radiation back into space. This technique was attractive because it replaced itself daily as jet traffic increased and produced the bulk of its scattering material mass from the water vapor naturally in the atmosphere. <br><br>One of the drawbacks for this aluminum technique was that it also made some AlF3 products and aluminum oxides, which cause health issues. The AlF3 is associated with the rise of problems like Mad-Cow, Scrappie, and other animal illnesses. Most of the problem is driven by acid rain effects increasing the uptake of aluminum into the animal food chain. So, increasing the rainfall of acid rain using heavy chemtrail cloud making techniques has negative consequences. <br><br>This basic technique was highly attractive for blunting the damage curve due to the Ozone Hole / UV-b damage to the DMS / DMSO cloud forming systems over the world's oceans. The ORNL Lockheed-Martin types and secret high Govt. types all liked this idea. But there was one better, as this process of making a "Global Shield" type of Geoengineering had to be difficult to detect and something the environmentalists could not easily protest. It had to become intrinsic to the fuel systems and jet engine designs. So, the GE-90 type high-bypass jet engines became a reality in the mid-90s along with the higher hydrogen and less inflammable jet fuel called JP-8. <br><br>The ultimate system was one where the fuel refineries were optimized via hydrogen removal of sulfur and adding hydrogen to the jet fuel composition to increase the formation of water vapor in the jet fuel burn emissions AND the design of newer jet engines for higher compression "high by-pass" designs that formed water particles from the water vapor in the rapidly cooled fuel plume and attracted more vapor from the atmosphere. This process could lay down lines of lingering large water particles that would fan into persistent high level Cirrus type clouds that would reflect the Sun's IR radiation via Mie Scattering. <br><br>Chemtrails is just simple basic science at work to effect some small change in the Earth Atmosphere's reflective properties due to the loss of cloud systems from the Ozone Hole / Phytoplankton / DMSO relationship. It would be better to have replaced the missing cloud cover over the oceans, but limiting the Sun's heat hitting the planet would also slow down some of the heating problems. The Manhattan Project's Edward Teller proposed lofting some 10 million tons of 100 nM aluminum particles to affect such Sun associated heating effects. I was the National Laboratory person that proposed a simpler system of using world commercial jet traffic to change the water vapor naturally in the atmosphere into particles or fogs using catalytic methods. The ideas just followed natural processes. <br><br>--end quote-- <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jim Phelps re: JP8 Jet Fuel and Chemtrails

Postby steve vegas » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:25 pm

Wow, thanks SS, that sounds about right to me. Too bad it doesn't work and there are so many adverse health effects. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jim Phelps re: JP8 Jet Fuel and Chemtrails

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:43 pm

Starman, Jim Phelps also claims to be a descendant of David, as in, King David..<br><br>I've fought HUGE months long forum wars with this guy. He worked at OakRidge as a systems maintenance anylyst and apparently blew a whistle on safety systems there and lost his job, then went kinda banannas..<br><br>I encourage you to look deeper into his character and what he says online as it's a bad position to endorse. Try starting at Arianne's forum in the science section where there was a enormous thread named something like 'Chemtrails as a mean to justify drug abuse' that Phelps started after I got him banned from chemtrail central. Jim, Jay Reynolds, and I were in a 3-way war for weeks until I realized the guy's too demented(or well-paid) to ever yield on his position. His perpetual war with Jay Reynolds is legend in the chemtrail discussion groups.<br><br>A(small) sampling of his claims are:<br><br>Jim Phelps list of discoveries: .<br><br>1. The NFx injection vector effect for global warming associated with HF.<br><br>2. The discovery and invention of the "chemtrials" processes and DMS.<br><br>3. The discovery of the fluorine in bone marrow effects on trace metals.<br><br>4. The discovery of the Sr-90 free oxygen radical effects on trace metals.<br><br>5. The HCl dominated acid rain effects freeing toxic metals into food chain.<br><br>6. The discovery of the causation for AIDS epidemics.<br><br>7. The principle mechanism for immune dysfunction, aging, and death.<br><br>8. The greater explanations for the Biblical Prophecies, per DMS.<br><br>9. The AlFx effects dominating health effects in the US by TSH mimicry.<br><br>10. The hyperthyroid type damage of AlFx and the cause of mysterious illness. <br><br>11. The HAARP facility<br><br>12. Chemtrails themselves.<br>_______________________<br><br>Please look closer for yourself. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jim Phelps re: JP8 Jet Fuel and Chemtrails

Postby steve vegas » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:50 pm

Thanks for that too. <p></p><i></i>
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