Genesis of Lyme Disease

[thrulookingglass]

This one is personal. I manage to receive lyme disease from a tick here in the Northeast USA quite a while ago (mid 80's). I was an early case and received a varying quality of treatment. I believe I suffer from side-effects of this disease to this day. So, I'm reading about this paperclip asshole Erich Traub (Hitler's biowarfare go-to guy) and Plum Island. However, there seems to be a difference of opinion on the genesis of this disease. Wikipedia says similar illness born from ticks has been around for quite a while. Wondering if you peeps have a more cohesive view of the genesis of Lyme disease...<br><br>I tell you, suffering from this ailment and my doubts/beliefs regarding it's origin...well makes me wonder about AIDS, H5N1 and just how duplicitous and evil the "ptb" can be...<br><br>Like i need to ask that question how duplicitous and evil? More than I can imagine, apparently...<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

Don't have any indepedent info about it, but I do know for a fact that the israelo-american intel/navy community developed a deep, long and thorough interest in Lyme. And it fits with what seems to be a 'bio warfare' trend, semi-parasite, semi-viral mysterious bugs that have a wide range of effects on the central nervous system. specifically, it seems they are fascinated with "auto immune" diseases, and the latest, parasites etc. that will cause the organism host to "commit a suicide", either directly take its life or act against its own survival interest (as in parasites that cause mice to ignore warning smell of cats etc. ) and I am just seeing tons of this in the internet, and it has their finger prints all over. (the sadistic, nazi thinking..or the physical manifestation of what we refer to here as "was suicided". THe nazis have the copyright on that way of thinking...). So, even if Lyme originated in nature, it is no longer a simple condition. IMHHHHHO<br>--<br>And if you are one of those who believe that hollywood movies are in cahutes with the PTB imagery, then "Alien" has some clues...<br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

Lyme Disease has been around for a long time, although it wasn't called Lyme Disease (it was known as pediatric arthritis before the spirochete that causes the disease was discovered in 1982). <br><br>It's pretty conclusive the Lyme Disease wasn't "cooked up" by anyone other than Mother Nature. The spirochete that causes Lyme Disease has been found in rodent pelts in museums from the late 1800s. <p></p><i></i>

[thrulookingglass]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"It's pretty conclusive the Lyme Disease wasn't "cooked up" by anyone other than Mother Nature</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->."<br>Given what we learn around here, daily/daily about "government" corruption, Military dabbling in occult practices, UFOlogy, etc. - I don't find that too compelling. I've been reading "Lab 257: Disturbing story of the Government's Secret Plum Labratory". It seems far too plausible that government forces (whatever that means these days) could've altered the spirochete to whatever end. A quote from the wikipedia article:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>One of the most striking features of B. burgdorferi as compared with other eubacteria is its unusual genome, which is far more complex than that of its spirochetal cousin Treponema pallidum, the agent of syphilis. The genome of B. burgdorferi includes a linear chromosome approximately one megabase in size, with 21 plasmids (12 linear and 9 circular) - by far the largest number of plasmids found in any known bacterium. Genetic exchange, including plasmid transfers, contributes to the pathogenicity of the organism.[13] Long-term culture of B. burgdorferi results in a loss of some plasmids and changes in expressed protein profiles. Associated with the loss of plasmids is a loss in the ability of the organism to infect laboratory animals, suggesting that the plasmids encode key genes involved in virulence.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>Just a curiosity, and I don't mean to insult your intelligence or opinion, but are you of the school of thought that AIDs is also a creature of Mother Nature? H5N1? Guessing who made what is probably just part of the manufactured fun. Why do I feel like we've been spinning our wheels for so long that we've convince ourselves that we must be getting somewhere? Is there any firm ground below? <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Personally, I am just waiting for dog heartworm to become a problem for humans. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Just a curiosity, and I don't mean to insult your intelligence or opinion, but are you of the school of thought that AIDs is also a creature of Mother Nature? H5N1? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I am not sure about HIV or H5N1. Mother Nature can cook up some pretty hideous diseases all by herself. So I remain agnostic. I have read Horowitz's book (Emerging Diseases), which I found compelling but not entirely convincing.<br><br>I think it's an open case, not shut, so I keep reading and absorbing all data. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Professor, That book was my ticket down the rabbit hole back when it was first published and it scared the living shit out of me. I wasn't entirely sure about it all either, but there's such a wealth of information in it that one could spend years trying to verify what he alledged. It didn't bolster his credibility in my eyes when I saw his later publications become highly exotic and difficult to maintain objectivity reading..<br><br>Maybe that was a good thing, because he painted a dark universe indeed.. <p></p><i></i>

[LoganSquare]

<br>Quite a few bioweapons were originally "cooked up by mother nature."<br><br>As for AIDS research (independent of Horowitz), I would think everyone is familiar with this publication, but I don't often see it mentioned on this board:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.progressiveconvergence.com/Aids-made-in-America-Jourv5n3.pdf">www.progressiveconvergenc...urv5n3.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I really don't see how you can look at this information and still think it's an "open case." <br> <p></p><i></i>

[Ted the dog]

I've been reading quite a bit about people allegedly suffering from Morgellan's also being positive for Lyme. <br><br>I also saw something recently on a site where a woman that had both Lyme and (supposedly) Morgellan's feeling like maybe what's going on with Morgellan's is that Lyme sufferers are picking up internal parasites...like fluke worms....and the combination of the two is what's resulting in the infamous "sores with red and white fibers coming out of them" we keep seeing in the media. <br><br><br>This woman also felt like there might be some kind of contamination of sheep manure fertilizer as more than a few Morgellan's sufferers have claimed that they were gardening without gloves shortly before noticing their symptoms. <p></p><i></i>

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<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>www.progressiveconvergenc...urv5n3.pdf<br>I really don't see how you can look at this information and still think it's an "open case." <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> Because <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/award.htm">not everyone</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> who rejects the orthodoxy embraces a Horowitz-type explanation.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[LoganSquare]

<br>The journal article is not only an explanation, it's verifiable research. Horowitz's book was also documented research. Whether you "embrace it" or not, you can't reject it as false or made up. A team of scientists recently claimed they found the original band of monkeys who are the source of AIDS. That's certainly more embraceable. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Horowitz's book was also documented research.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Have you independantly verified his sources and research? Because I know I haven't.. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

I've listened to all sides, including scientists who study HIV. I'm convinced that HIV is the cause of AIDS. I think that has been convincingly established, and suggest those who believe otherwise at least listen to what the people who work with HIV on a daily basis have to say. I've met many people who are convinced HIV does not cause AIDS, but most of them have never read the actual scientific data in support of the HIV argument.<br><br>I'm not convinced it was cooked up by humans as a biowarfare agent, but I'm not convinced it <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>wasn't.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>And not all documented research is of high quality. I can write a book about AIDS as bioweapon and find all sorts of supporting material, especially in this Internet age. But "documented research" doesn't mean rigorous research. <p></p><i></i>

[PeterofLoneTree]

Why don't you ask...<br>Oh, that's right: <br>"Master LIst Of Dead Scientists & Microbiologists"<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general62/sci.htm">www.rense.com/general62/sci.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"The Life and Mysterious Murder of Margaret Hassan"<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7345.htm">www.informationclearingho...le7345.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

I too doubt that it was cooked up.<br><br>A close aquaintance of mine, who is an avid hunter, contracted the disease in the '80's as well. When he tried to sound a warning via publicity in the newspapers etc., the hunting industry in this state (Alabama) which at the time raked in somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 million annually, went nuts; threatening phone calls and letters, harassment on his job,(he had to retire in the early '90's) whisper campaigns at his church, libelous articles cooked up by friendly "journalists" and so on.<br><br>Time bore him out, but the damage was done. <p></p><i></i>