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Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:59 am**

Thats not the reason in itself, but it is a classic symptom of whats wrong. It was banned because ... get this ... it has folate added. OMFG If they had banned it cos it looks, smells and tastes like shit I could understand. But cos its got folate added? Maybe they should have pumped it full of steroids, trans fats and GM cornmeal instead. Edited for a link<a href="mailto:http://www.savevegemite.com/"> http://www.savevegemite.com/</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=joehillshoist>Joe Hillshoist</A> at: 10/24/06 7:00 am

Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:14 am**

These guys dont do this for nuttin, List of possible REAL explanations; 1/ Boosts the immune system, and thus prevents big Pharma getting their claws into you. 2/ Helps you see just beyond the human frequency range, which would out Cheney/ Bush et al as lizards. 3/ It DOESNT contain Aspartame, MSG, or any of the other prescription poisons that are pumped into our bodies daily. 4/ It makes you want to switch off the TV and think about life for yourself. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:05 am**

Hey, I like Vegemite! Well, the proper British version - Marmite, anyway. You can't beat it on a piece of buttery toast. Isn't it full of yeast?

Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:16 pm**

hey, are we still allowed to carry this stuff on planes?

Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:44 pm**

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Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:54 pm**

I like a lot of black foods.. vegemite, marmite, black coffee, liquorice, soy sauce, guinness, paki black. Most are aquired tastes, ie. not very nice the first time but for some reason still irresistible. Others I refuse to even try for various reasons.. black pudding, bovril, tar... So I Googled black food and it threw up... <a href="http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=13068&zoneid=45">Foods in Black for Better Nutrition</a> <a href="http://ift.confex.com/ift/2001/techprogram/paper_6410.htm">Foods in black color as medicine</a> So maybe vegemite is just the latest in a long line of proscribed subjects soon to include black ops, black markets and black culture?

Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:59 pm**

I've had Marmite before, if it's the same thing. I had a strong taste for it for several months. Banned because it has folate? Can they do that? I can go down to TArget, or the local health food store and buy folate pills. Where's the logic in that? And if they're interested in harmful foods,how about banning trans fats, which no one should eat ever? Not to mention all the petroleum products that are used to color and flavor the foods most people eat, all of which were known to cause cancer as long ago as the early 20th century. Aaaaarggghhh!

Posted: **Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:50 pm**

Yeah maybe I am not a true blue aussie cos I can't stand the stuff. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Banned because it has folate? Can they do that? I can go down to TArget, or the local health food store and buy folate pills. Where's the logic in that? And if they're interested in harmful foods,how about banning trans fats, which no one should eat ever?<hr></blockquote> Apparantly thats the reason. According to US law only breads and cereals can have folate in them, (or perhaps added to them), not sump oil, I mean vegemite. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Kraft spokeswoman Joanna Scott said: "The (US) Food and Drug Administration doesn't allow the import of Vegemite simply because the recipe does have the addition of folic acid.'' The US was "a minor market'' for Vegemite, she said. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20623973-2,00.html" target="top">Here</a>

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:59 am**

Folic Acid Also indexed as: Folate, Methylfolate, Vitamin B9 What is[/i] Folic acid is a B vitamin needed for cell replication and growth. Folic acid helps form building blocks of DNA, the bodyï¿½s genetic information, and building blocks of RNA, needed for protein synthesis in all cells. Therefore, rapidly growing tissues, such as those of a fetus, and rapidly regenerating cells, like red blood cells and immune cells, have a high need for folic acid. Folic acid deficiency results in a form of anemia that responds quickly to folic acid supplementation. The requirement for folic acid increases considerably during pregnancy.1 Deficiencies of folic acid during pregnancy are associated with low birth weight and an increased incidence of neural tube defects in infants.2 In one study, women who were at high risk of giving birth to babies with neural tube defects were able to lower their risk by 72% by taking folic acid supplements prior to and during pregnancy.3 Most doctors, many other healthcare professionals, and the March of Dimes recommend that all women of childbearing age supplement with 400 mcg per day of folic acid. Such supplementation would protect against the formation of neural tube defects during the time between conception and when pregnancy is discovered. If a woman waits until after pregnancy has been discovered to begin taking folic acid supplements, it will probably be too late to prevent a neural tube defect. Other birth defects may be prevented with folic acid supplementation as well. Women who take folic acid-containing multivitamin supplements around the time they conceive may also reduce the risk of other congenital malformations, such as heart defects, defects of the upper lip and mouth,4 urinary tract defects,5 6 and limb-reduction defects.7 8 Rates of prevention of cleft lip and cleft palate may be improved by using very large amounts of folic acid (6 mg per day).9 A doctor should supervise anyone wishing to take this much folic acid. Folic acid is needed to keep homocysteine (an amino acid by-product) levels in blood from rising. A growing body of evidence suggests that an elevated homocysteine level is a risk factor for heart disease10 and may also be linked to several other diseases. Folic acid and certain other B vitamins function as cofactors for enzymes that can lower homocysteine levels. Research has shown that supplementing with folic acid reduces homocysteine levels.11 Of the B vitamins with a role in homocysteine metabolism, folic acid appears to be the most important in lowering homocysteine levels for the average person.12 13 A deficiency of folic acid has also been associated with peripheral vascular disease and coronary artery disease even in people with normal homocysteine levels, suggesting that the vitamin may have protective effects that extend beyond its role in maintaining normal homocysteine levels.14 In 1996, the FDA began to require that all enriched flour, rice, pasta, cornmeal, and other grain products contain 140 mcg of folic acid per 100 grams.15 Among people who do not take vitamin supplements, this amount of food fortification has been associated with increased folic acid levels in the blood and decreased blood levels of homocysteine.16 Nevertheless, evidence is mounting that the FDA-mandated level of folic acid fortification in food is inadequate to fully prevent neural tube defects.17 Until fortification rates are quadrupled, women who can possibly become pregnant are advised to take a folic acid supplement of 400 mcg per day. A diet low in folic acid has been associated with a high incidence of pre-cancerous polyps in the colon, suggesting that folic acid may prevent the development of colon cancer.18 Two studies have shown that reduced folic acid levels are associated with an increase in the incidence of cancer in people with ulcerative colitis19 20 and a third study showed the degree of abnormal cell growth decreases as folic acid intake increases.21 Three large population studies showed that low folic acid intake is associated with an increased risk of colorectal cancer.22 23 24 In addition, decreased blood levels of folic acid are associated with an increased risk of colon cancer in women.25 Long-term supplementation with folic acid from a multivitamin has been found in one large population study to be associated with a reduced risk of colon cancer. However, 15 years of supplementation was necessary before a significant reduction in colon-cancer risk became apparent. In that study, folic acid from dietary sources alone was associated with a modest reduction in the risk of colon cancer.26 Total folic acid intake was not associated with overall risk of breast cancer in preliminary studies.27 28 However, among women who consume at least one alcoholic beverage per day, the risk of breast cancer appears to be highest among those with low folic acid intake. Current use of a multivitamin supplement has also been associated with lower breast cancer risk among women who consume at least 1.5 alcoholic beverages per day, compared with those who never use a multivitamin supplement. Where is it fo[/i] Beans, leafy green vegetables, citrus fruits, beets, wheat germ, and meat are good sources of folic acid. Folic acid has been used in connection with the following condit[/i] (refer to the individual health concern for complete information): Birth defects prevention Depression Gingivitis (periodontal disease) (rinse only) High homocysteine (in combination with vitamin B6 and vitamin B12) Pap smear (abnormal) (in women taking oral contraceptives) Pregnancy and postpartum support Schizophrenia (for deficiency) Anemia (for thalassemia if deficient) Atherosclerosis Breast cancer (reduces risk in women who consume alcohol) Canker sores (for deficiency only) Celiac disease (for deficiency only) Colon cancer (prevention) Heart attack Preeclampsia Sickle cell anemia (for lowering homocysteine levels) Skin ulcers Ulcerative colitis Alzheimerï¿½s disease Bipolar Disorder/Manic Depression Crohnï¿½s disease Dermatitis herpetiformis (for deficiency) Diarrhea Downï¿½s syndrome Epilepsy Gingivitis (periodontal disease) (pill) Gout HIV support Lung cancer (reduces risk) Osteoporosis Peripheral vascular disease Psoriasis Restless legs syndrome Seborrheic dermatitis Stroke (for high homocysteine only) Vitiligo Who is likely to be defici[/i] Many people consume less than the recommended amount of folic acid. Scientists have found that people with heart disease commonly have elevated blood levels of homocysteine, a laboratory test abnormality often controllable with folic acid supplements. This suggests that many people in Western societies have a mild folic acid deficiency. In fact, it has been suggested that increasing folic acid intake could prevent an estimated 13,500 deaths from cardiovascular diseases each year.29 Folic acid deficiency has also been common in alcoholics, people living at poverty level, those with malabsorption disorders or liver disease (e.g., cirrhosis), and women taking the birth control pill. Recently, elderly people with hearing loss have been reported to be much more likely to be folic acid deficient than healthy elderly people.30 A variety of prescription drugs including cimetidine, antacids, some anticancer drugs, triamterene, sulfasalazine, and anticonvulsants interfere with folic acid. Deficiency of folic acid can be precipitated by situations wherein the body requires greater than normal amounts of the vitamin, such as pregnancy, infancy, leukemia, exfoliative dermatitis, and diseases that cause the destruction of blood cells.31 The relationship between folic acid and prevention of neural tube defects is partly thought to result from the high incidence of folate deficiency in many societies. To protect against neural tube defects, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has mandated that some grain products provide supplemental folic acid at a level expected to increase the dietary intake by an average of 100 mcg per day per person. As a result of folic acid added to the food supply, fewer Americans will be depleted compared with the past. In 1999, scientific evidence began to demonstrate that the folic acid added to the U.S. food supply was having positive effects, including a partial lowering of homocysteine levels.32 In the same year, however, a report from the North Carolina Birth Defects Monitoring Program suggested the current level of folic acid fortification has not reduced the incidence of neural-tube defects.33 Many doctors and the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta34 believe that optimal levels of folic acid intake may still be higher than the amount now being added to food by several hundred micrograms per day. A low blood level of folate has also been associated with an increased risk of miscarriage.35 People with kidney failure have an increased risk of folic acid deficiency.36 Recipients of kidney transplants often have elevated homocysteine levels, which may respond to supplementation with folic acid.37 The usual recommended amount of 400 mcg per day may not be enough for these people, however. Larger amounts (up to 2.4 mg per day) may produce a better outcome, according to one double-blind trial.38 Folate deficiency is more prevalent among elderly African American women than among elderly white women.39 Which form is b[/i] Folic acid naturally found in food is much less available to the body compared with synthetic folic acid found both in supplements and added to grain products in the United States. Women with a recent history of giving birth to babies with neural tube defects participated in a study to determine which form of folic acid is best absorbedï¿½dietary folic acid or folic acid from supplements.40 They received either orange juice containing 400 mcg of folic acid per day or a supplement containing the same amount. Overall, the supplement folic acid was better absorbed than the folic acid from orange juice. How much is usually ta[/i] Many doctors recommend that all women who are or who could become pregnant take 400 mcg per day in order to reduce the risk of birth defects. Some doctors also extend this recommendation to other people in an attempt to reduce the risk of heart disease by lowering homocysteine levels. Since the FDA mandated addition of folic acid to grain products, many people who eat grains have followed the new recommendation of supplementing only 100 mcg of folic acid per day. However, studies have found that this amount of folic acid is inadequate to maintain normal folate levels in a significant percentage of the groups assessed.41 It now appears that, for pregnant women, supplementing with at least 300 mcg (and optimally 400 mcg) of folic acid per day is sufficient to prevent a folate deficiency, even if dietary intake is low. Are there any side effects or interacti[/i] Folic acid is not generally associated with side effects.42 However, folic acid supplementation can interfere with the laboratory diagnosis of vitamin B12 deficiency, possibly allowing the deficiency to progress undetected to the point of irreversible nerve damage.43 Although vitamin B12 deficiency is uncommon, no one should supplement with 1,000 mcg or more of folic acid without consulting a doctor. Vitamin B12 deficiencies often occur without anemia (even in people who do not take folic acid supplements). Some doctors do not know that the absence of anemia does not rule out a B12 deficiency. If this confusion delays diagnosis of a vitamin B12 deficiency, the patient could be injured, sometimes permanently. This problem is rare and should not happen with doctors knowledgeable in this area using correct testing procedures. Folic acid is needed by the body to utilize vitamin B12. Proteolytic enzymes inhibit folic acid absorption.44 People taking proteolytic enzymes are advised to supplement with folic acid. Are there any drug interacti[/i] Certain medicines may interact with folic acid. Refer to drug interactions for a list of those medicines. <a href="http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/2846002.html">link</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 10/25/06 10:03 am

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:51 am**

The Good Mrs HMK took folic acid through no less than 3 pregnancies. Doctors orders and all that. So WTF with Marmite being banned for containing folate. More non-plussing news from the PTB. Surprised? Not. AnnaLivia:I think it's one of those foods that you either love or loathe, somewhat depending on early exposure or not. We get through about a gallon of Marmite a year in my house. Kids love it on toast/bagels and it's sort of a comfort food for me. Joe H: Don't like Vegemite? You'll be kicked off the footy team for that, mate.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:56 am**

darn got to scrape the jar was saving it against pos of not getting another giftee from passing brits. don' likers should try spreading it thinner on thick butter layer, or under cheese on toast its like caviar - salty - but no awful fish taste

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:54 am**

I am really curious about trying this stuff, if only to be able to say I tried it once. (I love anchovies, so maybe I might like Vegemite/Marmite?) My husband brews his own beer. I am wondering if we save that yeasty sludge at the bottom of the barrel and zapped it with some salt, would we be making a banned substance? Or if we left out the folate, would it be legal? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:19 am**

AnnaLivia, just in case there's been some misunderstanding, like blanc says, you don't apply vegemite like you do peanut butter - one doesn't spread vegemite, so much as one lightly smears it. Down here, if we ever spread it thick like you do peanut butter, there's always plenty of people watching, and money riding on whether the eater will manage to finish eating it. I have tasted marmite, once, and I agree - terrible stuff. And Joe, I'm appalled.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:14 am**

Thanks for the info 1 tal. I was right based upon points one and Three of my first post on this thread. You sure it doesnt expand the human visible frequency range too ? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:18 pm**

Asta. yeast extract. salt.Vegetable extract.Niacin.Thiamin.Spice Extracts.Riboflavin.Folic acid.Celery extract.Vitamin B12 - marmite that is. Vegemite I tried once when on economy drive. not exactly same taste - poor relation. just had a pita bread fragment spread with it to try to describe it, but I can't. it doesn't taste like yeast, just strong and salty. btw partner spreads it thick. will send him down under at earliest opportunity now I know this leather gums talent is a nice little earner.

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Symptom of whats wrong with the US? They banned vegemite.

Symptom of whats wrong with the US? They banned vegemite.

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