What fricking century is Kansas in?

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What fricking century is Kansas in?

Postby banned » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:37 am

This poor bastard is lucky they didn't lynch him, or burn him at the stake.<br><br>Can the rest of us vote for Kansas to secede? <br><br>From the Union--AND from the 21st Century. <br><br>-----<br><br>Posted on Tue, Dec. 06, 2005<br><br>Professor beaten; attackers cite KU creationism class<br><br>Associated Press<br><br>LAWRENCE - A professor whose planned course on creationism and intelligent design was canceled after he sent e-mails deriding Christian conservatives was hospitalized Monday after what appeared to be a roadside beating.<br><br>University of Kansas religious studies professor Paul Mirecki said that the two men who beat him made references to the class that was to be offered for the first time this spring.<br><br>Originally called "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies," the course was canceled last week at Mirecki's request.<br><br>The class was added after the Kansas State Board of Education decided to include more criticism of evolution in science standards for elementary and secondary students.<br><br>"I didn't know them," Mirecki said of his assailants, "but I'm sure they knew me."<br><br>One recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as "fundies," and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face." Mirecki has apologized for those comments.<br><br>Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman for the Douglas County Sheriff's Department, said a deputy was dispatched to Lawrence Memorial Hospital after receiving a call around 7 a.m. regarding a battery.<br><br>She said Mirecki reported he was attacked around 6:40 a.m. in rural Douglas County south of Lawrence. Mirecki told the Lawrence Journal-World that he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men tailgating him in a pickup truck.<br><br>"I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up real close behind," he said. "They got out, and I made the mistake of getting out."<br><br>He said the men beat him on the head, shoulders and back with their fists, and possibly a metal object.<br><br>Wempe said Mirecki drove himself to the hospital after the attack.<br><br>Mirecki told the student newspaper, the University Daily Kansan, that he spent between three and four hours at the hospital. He said his injuries included a broken tooth.<br><br>"I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots," he told the Lawrence Journal-World.<br><br>Wempe said Mirecki described the suspects as two white men between 30 and 40 years of age. One of the men was described as wearing a red, visorlike ball cap and wool gloves. Mirecki said the men left in a large pickup.<br><br>Wempe said the department would investigate "every aspect," but couldn't discuss specifics.<br><br>Andrew Stangl, president of the Society for Open Minded Atheists and Agnostics at the university, described the attack as "bizarre and terrifying." He said Mirecki, who is the group's faculty adviser, was adamant that the beating was related to the recently canceled course.<br><br>"That absolutely shocked me," he said, "because people don't do that in a civilized society."<br><br>State Sen. Kay O'Connor, a Mirecki critic, said there is no excuse for someone physically assaulting the professor -- regardless of their politics.<br><br>"I have zero tolerance for thugs," she said. "There is never an excuse to behave in such a manner. This was just thugs. They used a flimsy excuse, if they had one, to behave as thugs. They can talk about the ID (intelligent design) course if they want to, but that's not an excuse." <p></p><i></i>
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Postby rain » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:39 am

what frickin' century?<br>maybe a few all at the same time.<br>maybe it's just the air there.<br>but does the term 'false flag' ring a bell?<br><br><br>Goodbye, Kansas<br>info 09:44 PM <br>13 Trackbacks <br>Technorati links <br> Format for printing <br> Pirate mode <br>Tag: Creationism <br>PZ Myers • 307 Comments (last page) <br>It's a sad day for American science. We've lost Kansas.<br><br>Risking the kind of nationwide ridicule it faced six years ago, the Kansas Board of Education approved new public-school science standards Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.<br><br>The 6-4 vote was a victory for "intelligent design" advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.<br><br>Critics of the new language charged that it was an attempt to inject God and creationism into public schools, in violation of the constitutional ban on state establishment of religion.<br><br>All six of those who voted for the new standards were Republicans. Two Republicans and two Democrats voted no.<br>For the next few years, a lot of schoolkids are going to get taught slippery twaddle—instead of learning what scientists actually say about biology, they're going to get the phony pseudoscience of ideologues and dishonest hucksters. And that means the next generation of Kansans are going to be a little less well informed, even more prone to believing the prattlings of liars, and the cycle will keep on going, keep on getting worse.<br><br>This, for instance, is baloney.<br><br>The new standards say high school students must understand major evolutionary concepts. But they also declare that the basic Darwinian theory that all life had a common origin and that natural chemical processes created the building blocks of life have been challenged in recent years by fossil evidence and molecular biology.<br>The proponents of these changes don't have any idea what the fossil and molecular evidence says, and they are misrepresenting it. There is no credible evidence against common descent and chemical evolution; those concepts are being strengthened, year by year. What does this school board think to gain by teaching students lies?<br><br>In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.<br>Rewriting the definition of science seems a rather presumptuous thing for a school board to do, I think, especially when their new definition is something contrary to what working scientists and major scientific organizations say is science. As for removing the limitation to natural phenomena, what do they propose to add? Ghosts, intuition, divine revelation, telepathic communications from Venusians? It's simply insane.<br><br>The clowns of Kansas don't think so, of course.<br><br>"This is a great day for education. This is one of the best things that we can do," said board chairman Steve Abrams. Another board member who voted in favor of the standards, John Bacon, said the move "gets rid of a lot of dogma that's being taught in the classroom today."<br><br>John Calvert, a retired attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said changes probably would come to classrooms gradually, with some teachers feeling freer to discuss criticisms of evolution. "These changes are not targeted at changing the hearts and minds of the Darwin fundamentalists," Calvert said.<br><br>The Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which supports challenges to Darwinian evolutionary theory, praised the Kansas effort. "Students will learn more about evolution, not less as some Darwinists have falsely claimed," institute spokesman Casey Luskin said in a written statement.<br>Casey Luskin is a toady for the DI, so what does he know? There is a straightforward body of evidence for evolution to which students should be introduced—evidence that high school curricula barely touch on as it is. Adding a collection of false and confusing claims about what scientists say is only going to diminish the legitimate science that can be taught. And teaching absurdities, such as that science deals with the supernatural, represents a load of garbage that instructors at the college level are going to have to scoop out of the brains of these poor students. At least, that is, out of the diminishing number of students who will pursue genuine science, rather than the dead-end vapor of Intelligent Design creationism.<br><br>Goodbye, Kansas. I don't expect to see many of your sons and daughters at my university in coming years, unless the teachers of your state refuse to support the outrageous crapola their school board has foisted on them. I hope the rest of the country moves on, refusing to join you in your stagnant backwater of 18th century hokum.<br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Since I got a useful list of the pro and con members of the board in the comments, I thought it would be a good idea to bring it up top and spread the word.<br><br>Here are the Kansas good guys. When they come up for re-election, vote for them.<br><br>Pro-evolution, the heirs of the Enlightenment:<br>Janet Waugh<br>Sue Gamble<br>Carol Rupe<br>Bill Wagnon<br>Here are the Kansas bad guys. Vote against them whenever you can.<br><br>Pro-intelligent-design, the wretched sucktards of Ignorance:<br>Kathy Martin<br>Kenneth Willard<br>John W. Bacon<br>Iris Van Meter<br>Connie Morris<br>Steve Abrams<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/longcomments/goodbye_kansas/">pharyngula.org/index/webl...ye_kansas/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>nonetheless, interesting, hot on the heals of the wiki/Seigenthaler thing...<br><br>'we're not in Kansas anymore', but is it Nebraska, or Missouri<br><br>Kansas-Nebraska Act <br><br>Kansas-Nebraska Act, bill that became law on May 30, 1854, by which the U.S. Congress established the territories of Kansas and Nebraska. By 1854 the organization of the vast Platte and Kansas river countries W of Iowa and Missouri was overdue. As an isolated issue territorial organization of this area was no problem. It was, however, irrevocably bound to the bitter sectional controversy over the extension of slavery into the territories and was further complicated by conflict over the location of the projected transcontinental railroad. Under no circumstances did proslavery Congressmen want a free territory (Kansas) W of Missouri. Because the West was expanding rapidly, territorial organization, despite these difficulties, could no longer be postponed. Four attempts to organize a single territory for this area had already been defeated in Congress, largely because of Southern opposition to the Missouri Compromise. Although the last of these attempts to organize the area had nearly been successful, Stephen A. Douglas, chairman of the Senate Committee on Territories, decided to offer territorial legislation making concessions to the South. Douglas's motives have remained largely a matter of speculation. Various historians have emphasized Douglas's desire for the Presidency, his wish to cement the bonds of the Democratic party, his interest in expansion and railroad building, or his desire to activate the unimpressive Pierce administration. The bill he reported in Jan., 1854, contained the provision that the question of slavery should be left to the decision of the territorial settlers themselves. This was the famous principle that Douglas now called popular sovereignty, though actually it had been enunciated four years earlier in the Compromise of 1850. In its final form Douglas's bill provided for the creation of two new territories—Kansas and Nebraska—instead of one. The obvious inference—at least to Missourians—was that the first would be slave, the second free. The Kansas-Nebraska Act flatly contradicted the provisions of the Missouri Compromise (under which slavery would have been barred from both territories); indeed, an amendment was added specifically repealing that compromise. This aspect of the bill in particular enraged the antislavery forces, but after three months of bitter debate in Congress, Douglas, backed by President Pierce and the Southerners, saw it adopted. Its effects were anything but reassuring to those who had hoped for a peaceful solution. The popular sovereignty provision caused both proslavery and antislavery forces to marshal strength and exert full pressure to determine the “popular” decision in Kansas in their own favor, using groups such as the Emigrant Aid Company. The result was the tragedy of “bleeding” Kansas. Northerners and Southerners were aroused to such passions that sectional division reached a point that precluded reconciliation. A new political organization, the Republican party, was founded by opponents of the bill, and the United States was propelled toward the Civil War.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0827030.html">www.infoplease.com/ce6/hi...27030.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>maybe the 'community fountain' is not only deeper than hitherto suspected, but also harbours more than a few lurking crocodiles.<br><br>whatever, Bob the bard anchored it for me with the seeminly anomalous combination of 'days of '49' and 'gentleman's club of spalding'. there's much 'wealth' to be had in the digging.<br><br>trivia aka duckies for the bubble bath<br><br>James Polk, who Seigenthaler<br>wrote a book on, (eg. see <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1763">www.booknotes.org/Transcr...ramID=1763</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> - recommended reading)<br>lived in Columbia, Tennessee, <br>which is on the <br>Duck River.<br><br>Quack.<br><br>and banned, imho, your nose for lurking amphibians is a talent to be nurtured and valued.<br><br>'ear, 'ear.<br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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bleeding kansas

Postby rain » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:50 am

just as an addendum to<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/longcomments/goodbye_kansas/">pharyngula.org/index/webl...ye_kansas/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>in case some didn't read the comments, and I do recommend that anyone take the time to,<br>as one blogger commented,<br><br>"We have NOT lost Kansas.<br><br>This happened there six years ago, and the IDiots were voted out at the next election. They went back in with stealth candidates once the voters stopped paying attention. The people of Kansas will bounce the clowns off their school board this time, too."<br><br>even tho the tone at times gets a little heated,<br>replete with references to 'clowns'<br>they're talking about voting and discussion, <br>not the other form of 'bouncing'.<br><br>someone's also posted a map with OZ written on it.<br><br>just how deep and pervasive is the WoO theme?<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: bleeding kansas

Postby Gouda » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:21 am

Liberal, Kansas (real, unsarcastic place) has a little Wizard of Oz park, with a replica of Dorothy's house. Liberal sits over the deepest parts of the Ogallala aquifer. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What fricking century is Kansas in?

Postby illuminaughty » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:48 am

Careful now, banned,<br><br>I've been a member for several years on a site that I believe inspired your current user name. After a typical abuse session that resulted from my posting about HAARP, weather control and the like, I was invited to Progressive Independent, a welcome step to the left. It's quite ironic that DU now has official rules that do not permit links to "conspiracy" sites, since I stumbled on to DU by way of some of the most "lunatic fringe" areas of the internet.<br><br>I'm currently working on a painting for a friend that has her living at the Great Northern Hotel sitting at a table with Dale Cooper while Jim Morrison gives a private concert. I needed an image so, guess what comes up when you google "sitting at a table twin peaks"? Strangely enough it's this site. A glorious combo of all things favorite to myself and friends. Dylan quotes, Lynch, Icke, and a pursuit of truth for 9/11, Katrina, Bohemian Grove, you know. An even stranger coincidence when I see all the cross postings from PI and DU.<br><br>What's this have to do with your post? We all reside uncomfortably in circa 21st century Kansas. So, don't toss us aside just yet, banned. The stagnant environment here tends to make many of us run screaming to embrace a truly alternate ideology.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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why believe the prof?

Postby chillin » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:56 am

This professor's public comments about the fundies show that he's a bit of an arrogant dick. Who knows what else is wrong with him? Cokehead? Gambling problem? I think it's just as likely that he got beaten down for some reason other than the 'righteous smiting the wicked' story that he'd have us believe. <p></p><i></i>
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I reside in the San Francisco Bay Area...

Postby banned » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:06 am

...which believe me has its faults (haha including the San Andreas) but at least it's politically progressive. Not many cities in this country could have a mayoral election between a black man and a gay man in which neither race nor sexual preference were an issue. Even Bill Clinton cracked up at the idea that somebody could run who was LEFT of Willie Brown.<br><br>Why does everybody think I got banned from DU? I didn't! I never even read it unless someone links to it. <br><br>I could tell you where the 'banned' name came from but then I'd have to kill you. No, seriously, it came from getting bounced off a scifi/fantasy book site after getting in a zesty flame war with a guy that I didn't realize was a mod. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I reside in the San Francisco Bay Area...

Postby illuminaughty » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:17 am

I think I'm ready for you to kill me. It's 5 degrees with 9 inches of snow today. Took one of my students to S.F. in August (stayed at Archbishop's Mansion- beautifully creepy place) and she was like "WTF? Why are we living in Kansas?"<br>Nothing like San Fran. Hey, but along with all the fundies and rednecks in both KS. and MO., we also come close to being the crystal meth capitol of the world. So, there's no shortage of things to be proud of here.<br><br>Sorry about your banning. I think people assume DU because<br>any postings of a "conspiracy nature" start a major flame war.<br>Now they have issued new roles. No links to conspiracy sites. So people are getting threads locked, deleted and are being banned with a fervor. So much for free speech. <p></p><i></i>
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Nah, I deserved to be banned...

Postby banned » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:30 am

...not because of what I said but because like half a dozen people on the thread were trying to warn me my opponent was a mod and I kept plowing on ahead ripping this guy apart. The only unfair part was, if he hadn't been a mod, he'd have been banned too because he was ripping me in return <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .<br><br>Yesterday it was sunny, clear, in the 60s...week before it was in the 70s. I don't feel guilty because I lived for 32 years in Cleveland and endured such joys as subzero wind chill factors when the boogers in your nose freeze. I paid for my place in the sun by doing hard time in one of crappiest climates in the lower 48 <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . <p></p><i></i>
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