Question on the power underlying the occult.

by **thrulookingglass** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:40 pm

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by **banned** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:36 pm

I need to print it out and read all of it! Some of the responses are clearly the gnostic point of view (archons)--which also reminds me of "Out of the Silent Planet" and the rest of the Perelandra trilogy by C. S. Lewis. I tend to think, IF there is life after death, which I'm officially agnostic on but having seen a ghost I'm leaning toward believing there is, I don't see any reason why people who were evil in this life would change just because they got dematerialized <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> . I used to believe that evil was something that originated in the human mind and heart, and that all the 'supernatural' stuff was fantasy, like Disney, but I've had some things happen that I simply can't explain without resorting to some kind of supernatural power. This pisses me off, because I preferred to believe that human life was just a chemical oopsy-poopsy on one of a zillion balls of rock in a universe that had no reason to be here, or not to be here, it just was and we needed to stop worrying how it got here and start worrying about what we were doing in our infinitesimally brief moment of being between non-being and non-being. It pisses me off because just as I resent being a pawn in the plans of human politicos, I REALLY resent being a pawn in the plans of some non-human superhuman big shot. I never wanted to go to heaven or hell, if given a choice I wanted to spend my eternity in the Greek Islands with an unending stack of good books and a harem of hot horny young Greek men. Yes, I know, lacks spiritual gravitas. Sue me. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:00 am

(there are those amongst us who believe that Mr. Lewis, along with the rest of his "band" were all covert gnostics, having as they did, direct access to gnostic ideas via the university long before anyone else did, coupled with his refusal to "name" his brand of christianity...) Sez: "I never wanted to go to heaven or hell, if given a choice I wanted to spend my eternity in the Greek Islands with an unending stack of good books and a harem of hot horny young Greek men" Oddly, this is not entirely unlike how I would spend eternity. Not entirely.

by **ivanbo2003** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:15 am

Read the Bible and everything will make more sense. To connect this with actual fight between good and evil u can go to www.conspiracyarchiv.com(paranormal section,excellent place for debunking UFOs and proving them to be demonic in origin).Also <a href="http://www.mt.net/~watcher/">www.mt.net/~watcher/</a> is very good site Hope this helps clearing some question about evil/ET/occult PS Probably many of u already visited these,but it won't hurt to mention them

by **robertdreed** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:27 pm

I think godd and evil only come into play in the presence of intentional consciousness. That is, a mountain lion that disembowels and eats a little girl walking on a hiking trail isn't evil. Someone like Ted Bundy, who intentionally picked women he found particularly sexually attractive, duped them with a ruse into helping him, smashed their skulls with a pipe, abducted them, sexually molested their unconscious bodies and corpses, disposed of their bodies to conceal his cats, and then went off to work at a suicide hotline next to a famous true crime writer without ever dropping that mask and providing a clue of his murders- that is evil.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:35 pm

I advocate reading the bible too. Just not to acquire information. I suggest it to understand the propoganda techniques of the controllers. The bible is a forged document.

by **ivanbo2003** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:22 pm

Just my 2 cents... Sorry Homeless if u think that...Give The Bible a chance and i think if u read it carefully, you'll see what i mean.At least read Genesis and comparison(online) with the New Testament.So many things are happening before our very eyes.Only a few men literally saw God the Son(the ones who met Jesus Christ),only one saw God the Father(Enoch met him when God "took" him away in whirlwind) and all the believing are protected by The Holy Spirit.Anyway,we'll all see the our own Judgement one day before Godhead. My point is that nothing is happening by mere chance.It is all arranged by One Will. U may choose to be the atheist(or whatever),your choice.But first,try to be 100% sure that u r right about this matter. Because:if there is no God(and you are a believer),no biggie; If there is God ,and u had your whole life to find Him,and Judgement arrives...terrible mistake,the loss of eternal life,isn't it.So :No biggie VS Terrible mistake I repeat,just my oppinion. Cheers PS Of course I put it simply like this to show u to what is this comming down.Need not to say that I firmly know that there is God and i believe in Him,though i am a sinner...like everyone else...

by **banned** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:01 am

...the validity of the Bible or Jesus or any particular "organized" religion especially the 3 major monotheisms. If you want to gas about that make your own thread. I'm sick of the Jesus Christer propaganda. If I ruled the world I'd ban organized religions and execute anybody caught proselytizing any of them, but hey, that's just me. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

by **monster** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:11 am

Somebody had to say it.

by **Homeless Halo** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:19 am

I once won an award in biblical studies from my fundamentalist high school, and I own the bible in several versions, both in english and otherwise. Of course, I'm not sure you're "Real". You don't use complete words, much less sentences, so I am naturally biased against you. Sorry. Oh, and I'm not 100% sure of anything, but I'm 99.99% sure that if GOD exists, he isn't the genocidal, bestial creature depicted in the judeo-christian religion. ------- Continue your bible studies, but supplement them. I suggest for you, my friend: Remedial Christianity: What Every Believer Should Know About the Faith, but Probably Doesn't by Paul Alan Laughlin , Glenna S. Jackson The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read by Tim C. Leedom Biblical Errancy: A Reference Guide by C. Dennis McKinsey Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist by Dan Barker The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Acharya S The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe The Born Again Skeptic's Guide To The Bible by Ruth Hurmence Green The Impossibility of God by Michael Martin Natural Atheism by David Eller Like Rolling Uphill: Realizing The Honesty Of Atheism by Dianna Narciso Atheism: The Case Against God (Skeptic's Bookshelf) by George H. Smith The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy (Hardcover) by C. Dennis McKinsey Authentic Fakes : Religion and American Popular Culture by David Chidester Shadow of the Third Century: A Revaluation of Christianity by Alvin Boyd Kuhn The Closing of the Western Mind : The Rise of Faith and the Fall of Reason by Charles Freeman Religion and Violence: Philosophical Perspectives from Kant to Derrida by Hent de Vries The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel by Mark S. Smith The Origins of Biblical Monotheism: Israel's Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts by Mark S. Smith Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic : Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel by Frank Moore Cross The Faces of God: Canaanite Mythology As Hebrew Theology by Jacob Rabinowitz Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times by Donald B. Redford The Origin of Satan (Vintage) by Elaine Pagels The Old Enemy by Neil Forsyth An Adversary in Heaven: Satan in the Hebrew Bible (Harvard Semitic Monographs, No 43) by Peggy L. Day Biblical Nonsense : A Review of the Bible for Doubting Christians by Jason Long Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment? by Tim Callahan ----------- Banned: Sorry to carry this farther off topic. As I mentioned above, I went to private highschool, and these proselytizing christ-pushers have always gotten on my nerves. For the record: I am still a member of an independent baptist church, and the church of satan, among other things. I don't mind religion, I mind a lack of knowledge of one's own traditions. Personally, I lean towards (a)gnosticism on most theological/philosophical pseudo-issues. Name a religion, and I can devise an attack against it.

by **banned** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:22 am

...where we can talk about cosmology without having some godverdomme little Christian pisher come in and steer it onto their pet theme. I honestly don't know why the Romans didn't exterminate the Nazarene cult when they had a chance while it was still small--once those obnoxious, contentious buttinskis took over the Empire it was all over. HH, go read Gore Vidal's "Julian."

by **Homeless Halo** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:27 am

I have a copy here with me. Somewhere.... (I own entirely too many books. If my home ever caught on fire, it'd burn in seconds and I'd be out many thousands of dollars) Insofar as Christers go, I personally find Christ himself to be a fairly swell fellow, assuming he existed, of course. What I don't get is all the weird shit people seem to think he'd like them to do, or the very odd methodology "christianity" has for interpreting what are, essentially Jewish, modes of thinking. I'd love to go snowboarding with Jesus. I bet he was a pretty rugged fellow, what with fasting in the wilderness and all. Shame about his minions though. Uncle Al: "TO THE LIONS WITH THEM!" Which is maybe a little too harsh, really. After all, we wouldn't want the lions to come down with something.

by **banned** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:30 am

And I'm sure he'd consign 90% of the people throughout history who claimed to be his followers to the fires of Gehenna because they were too damn busy minding other peoples' business and not following his precepts in their own lives. Now can we get back to what was an interesting discussion before someone said that thread killing word...BIBLE? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:">

by **ivanbo2003** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:31 am

Sorry,didn't ment to cause arguement. Incomplete sentenses..well i am from Serbia so English is not my first language if u know what i mean<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> And also i am not a Bible student,i study electronics... So,banned, give us more of your thoughts about good Vs evil,occult I promisse i wouldn't mess about your thread any more. PS Homelles what did u mean :''Of course, I'm not sure you're "Real".Sorry didn't get it,hehe i'am a bit tired and sleepy Peace

by **Homeless Halo** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:31 am

"Now can we get back to what was an interesting discussion before someone said that thread killing word...BIBLE?" Um, Sure. Where were we again?

Question on the power underlying the occult.

Re: For What it's Worth

Fascinating discussion!

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Some usefull sites

Good and Evil

well

Bible is not forged...It is scientific fact

It's my party...and this thread isn't for arguing about...

Quite so.

ivanbo:

I just want one FUCKING thread...

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I have nothing against Jesus either.

Ok no more from me about this

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