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by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:20 pm

Essentially. In addition to any other information available, as regards to wheres whens whos etc, even facing the possibility (likelihood) that we are faced with a proliferation of altered and/or planted memories of these experiences. This is because, in regards the Black Magick especially, what lies they tell are often as important as the truth.

by **Dreams End** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:32 pm

Why am I not comforted by the fact that HH's secret "cabal" (his words) is infiltrating other secret "cabals"? If you think they are abusing victims, you might try 911...it's a tad quicker. On the other hand, you could approach local police (assuming they aren't part of it) in a more circumspect way. While we are at it...although it's been done in a somewhat tongue in cheek way...I have to ask...why DO you call yourself a disinformation agent? And you say you've been one since you were 11...a "company boy" as you put it. The connections between intel and RA are kinda scary to some around here, and you are suggesting your groups is combating this...so it made that little joke (if such is what it was) fall flat in my own ears.

by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:53 pm

Probably because I'm not here to comfort you, DE. If you don't like the word "cabal", which was chosen arbitrarilly, you could access a thesaurus and let me know which word you'd prefer I use. My own "group", if such a thing truly exists, does not have a name it calls itself, it is more informal, however, I am "attached" to a number of organizations that range from TOPY and IOT (chaos magicians, mostly younger folks), through the Red Moon Coven (female "dark" pagan sex magicians), to our local "joshua norton cabal" (culture jamming discordians). (All of these people are mentioned because they appear to be good people) In short, I used the singular "cabal" because it doesn't take pages to explain and it doesn't give away anything I've promised not to talk about. Our mixture into other groups is both a natural phenomena of occult study which happens all the time, and a planned mixing of energies. The primary goal, since most of these groups are completely up and up, is to encourage cooperation by creating lines of friendship so that these organizations mix naturally. As I said above, we have multiple goals in all of these actions, with the removal of unsavory actors being a prime example, but not the only purpose. Many times when these activites are large scale, they receive help from local authority figures. I am personally aware of large numbers of police officers in up and up organizations, so I would "assume" (I know) they exist in the non up and up organizations. (Especially considering the FBI statistics on police involvement in organized crime and the proliferation of o.c. in my neighborhood) And you wouldn't mention approaching the local police if you lived here. If and when there is sufficient evidence to move against peoples of this sort, the proper authorities will be/have been contacted immediately. In most cases, it seems that we mostly run into smokescreens and rumors, with no fingerprints, such as in Col OH and the outlying areas. (I made mention of this in the Trance Formation thread some time ago, briefly) All I have conclusively from those excursions are nightmares and a consistently sinking feeling in my stomach, besides an out of place doll and the testimony of a (certainly crazy which doesn't help) homeless fellow. My comments about being a disinfo agent were *pokes* at those people (perhaps you) that like to point their fingers and call other people names. It would be very foolish of you to assume I wasn't lying, but unless something suggests to you that I am, then you should only keep in mind that I might be misinformed myself, until you can fact check me. If you think I am a disinfo agent, you can always ask Jeff. I'm fairly certain he can confirm that I am operating from the suburbs of Detroit, that I am not nearly old enough to be a paid disinfo agent, and that seeing disinfo agents everywhere is a possible sign of emerging manic depression and/or schizophrenia. Of course, he and I could be working together, and my jokes could've been part of an elaborate plan to make it look like you're the disinfo agent. I called myself a DA because I found it personally amusing to do so. That is the truth, and it won't help you know whether I am a disinfo agent or not. The point of my comment is what I've said elsewhere: when you have conspiracy theorists you don't need disinfo agents. If I was a disinfo agent, I'd be doing a pretty damned good job for the amount of time I've been here. (as far as alluding to 11; I will tell you this: When I was 11, I realized the world was not what they had been telling me it was)

by **Dreams End** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:25 pm

For the record..I don't call people disinfo agents...except to point out how doing same is a good disinfo tactic and invites the label to be returned to sender. I've called people out for things they've said by outing the sources of the information, but the people I've been hardest on were clearly not agents...but simply had rather noxious worldviews. Your posts of are interest...I was actually just curious about why you were calling yourself that...I would assume that a true disinfo agent would not announce him/herself to be one. Who knows. It's interesting...I'd assumed you were young...I think you had said you were in college and for some reason I didn't assume you were an older grad student, and yet the level of sophistication in your posts seems older than what I'd give most college students credit for. I honestly...this is honesty...not flame baiting....don't know how to interpret you. On one hand, you could be nutso and all the time you say you are engaged in these elaborate and complex machinations could actually be spent curled up in a fetal position near a child's phonograph playing songs about shapes and colors. Or, you could be in an actual group of fairly clever folks with very elaborate imaginations who exaggerate their own sense of power and importance. Or, you could be doing exactly what you say you are doing. You had used the term "infiltrate" which implies unknowing penetration into a group for ulterior purposes, which is what I was talking about...not working with other likeminded folks. Despite your apparent sophistication, my own sense is that IF such a network as some describe on this site really exists, then infiltrating them would be highly dangerous...not only from the standpoint of safety but also from the standpoint of being drawn in. I offer the advice that those who think they are immune to such attempts are precisely the ones who are most easily turned. Sure, Yoda probably said something just like that once, but I still think it's true. I don't know how long you've been reading this forum. Despite how I get characterized by the "why won't DE let us talk about Jews" crowd, I document rather thoroughly with comments from the very sources they themselves quote from. I've posted a lot about Larouche and Icke and Makow, for example. I think it's fine to disagree with my posts, but the replies I get are usually that I'm simply namecalling. In any event, I think if you look at my past posts you'll find that to be the case. If you really are a force for good...then I wish you well.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:17 am

I am not a force for good. I am self-interested entirely. It just so happens that I am one of those who are smart enough to realize that my best interests would involve the best interests of the majority of the people. That is, my personal experience would be more pleasurable and relaxing if the world was a nicer place, etc. I do what I do for my own end goal, which is to retire to a nice mountain somewhere and grow potatoes and go fishing. Maybe in Alaska, if it isn't ruined by the time I'm old enough to live on a mountain. I agree with you that that which I've discussed involving actual criminal organizations could easily be extremely dangerous. This is why I am loathe to discuss this in detail. After much reflection, this was decided to be the safest course of action, and also beneficial in the sense that any non-evil orgs could be assimilated as allies. The conclusion was: How does one take the earth back from those who've already taken it? Inheritance is the answer. As we were told long ago. For the majority of these groups, we merely wish to engender further resource sharing such that the nameless mass might have access to otherwise restricted informations that could prove beneficial. It should be that in most cases we will simply have to wait until the older generation dies before we will be in charge. This is how it has always been, and I am simply stating the nature of how all secret societies work to a greater or lesser extent. My alluding to this, has a secondary effect. Similar to the idea of DAs in groups like this discussion board. Any particpants in these activities should be aware that there are/will be forces already/soon among them that are conspiring against them, even if it isn't true in any particular case. A bit of reflection should show you why. Of course, they could easily kill me, but it wouldn't stop anything, as it is already too late. If I was a really good disinfo agent, I might call myself one. But probably not. I used the term infiltrate, because in some senses it isn't "open", while in others it is fairly well known. Normally we do both. In a lot of cases we merely make friends with others, such as the "coven" of witches I mentioned previously. I couldn't join their group if I wanted, as a male, so instead, I sometimes go to a movie with one of their members. (sometimes I try to get in on their sex magic, but it has had only limited success so far...) But "infiltrate" is an acceptable term if I am referring to a set of circumstances wherein there are some that do not know of previous friendships. (I have friends here, for example, we have "infiltrated" this board, in that we are both here and have not made public our friendship) I am in college. I will probably be in college for another 4-6 years as I have every intention of leaving school with 2 PhDs. (I like school, personally) (neurophysics is my major at present) ------- About me: *Born: Alaska, Elmendorf AFB. (military brat, my father worked for SatCom) Long history of family involvement in the military. And Freemasonry, btw, my GGfather's last name is "Chase"(33*). *Capricorn. I'm a goat. *Non-functionally bi-sexual. (if I ever meet a man who makes me get it up, he will be my man, but it hasn't happened yet) *I was born with a hormonal malfunction, primarily centered in my pituitary gland, which only half produces the proper chemicals, as such I was on various therapies during my younger life, until reaching "adulthood" (if such a thing exists). Side effects include an increase in Seratonin levels (although without the normal NE loss which results in chemical depression) and a slight tendency towards a mild autism (Aspergers). The results of this are such that I am "comfortably numb". My brain is never as awake as your brain is. I do not feel emotions as strongly as those around me, nor am I affected strongly by empathy or traditonal scary things. This is both a blessing and a curse. Other side effects include one which has been mostly beneficial, that is, I can read exceedingly fast and have gone through about thrice as many books as most people go through in their lifetime. This is the real reason I'm here, I ran out of normal stuff to read about a very long time ago. When I lived in Dayton OH, near the AFB there, I was removed from my classes (11) and placed in a building along with the rest of the top 1% students in my district. Two of us, myself and a girl, spent about 2 hours three days a week in another location being tested. For what, I am still not sure. When the year was over I was offered the chance to join the "gifted" program and skip to jr high. As my pituitary gland already caused growth problems, I refused based on the fact that I was already avg 10 inch shorter than my contemporaries. (since therapy I am now above average height, like my forefathers) Having since done background research on the people who "studied" me, I am glad I made the choice not to continue in their programs. I still cannot remember most of the time I spent being "tested". When I think about it, it seems like it all happened in one day. When I was 18 I visited Dayton OH and the location of my "class". Since then, things have gotten progressively weirder for me.

by **Col Quisp** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:32 am

To HH: Your background is pretty freaky. They say that Bill Gates has Aspberger's Syndrome. I've been fascinated by that so-called syndrome for some time. There seems to be fewer females with this syndrome, or maybe it manifests differently. I hope you will keep posting here. Your comments are intriguing to say the least.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:46 am

Col Q: My former therapist (and teacher, actually) informs me that Asp. is a catch-all like ADD, and that I could just as easily have been diagnosed as a "sociopath" or being "antisocial". I avoided these labels primarily because even lacking emotive attachments on the same level as the average person (or so they tell me), I am easily able to intellectually identify with people and their sufferings, etc. I do not personally believe that I have anything other than a hormone malfunction (I've seen the MRIs to establish that much) and its related complications. One of the reasons I chose my area of study in school is so that I can understand the intricacies of my own brain better. I have led an interesting life so far, and I have seen many things that have contributed heavily to my personality. Much of this was a result of how frequently we travelled when I was a child. (I've been in Detroit for almost half my life now, although I frequently vacation elsewhere) *I have had a lifelong fascination/obsession with ninjas. because of this I began wearing mostly black clothes when I was only 8. By the time of highschool I was regularly assumed to be one of the "goth" kids (although if they asked me I told them I was a "visigoth"), and that I must be very depressed. Coupling this with the "numbness" probably made it seem more that way. (my ninja fetish has also led me to the practice of multiple martial arts, including Ninpo itself, although finding a qualified instructor is difficult, someday I will BE a ninja)

by **FourthBase** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:47 am

Snake Eyes or Storm Shadow?

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:08 am

Ha! (it would've been snake eyes, when I was <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Although it got far more complicated when I realized that Kung Fu movies have THEIR OWN SECTION at some video rental stores. "Seven Samurai" is and oldie in B&W, but its probably one of the best.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:40 am

The little funny man in the glasses wasn't what I intended to say. It should say "8" followed by the closing ")" Damned bastard smilees!

by **Dreams End** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:24 am

Homeless...ouch...red flags, red flags. First off, I'm quite familiar with Asperger syndrome. I actually have never heard any connection to hormone deficiency before. Appreciate links if you have them. I agree with you that they probably aren't related. I tutor a kid with Asperger's and he's classic. A great kid, actually quite funny. As many Aspies tend to be...very gifted but besides chemistry and math we are working on things like how to have a conversation, interpret body language and things like that. I'm not an expert, but I have a history with him from his previous school so I'm doing my best. There's a great little book for those of you interested in Asperger syndrome...it's a novel called The Curious Incident of the Dog at Midnight. by Mark Haddon. Asperger as far as I know, is considered to be on the spectrum of disorders known as autism, and I think all of it is still rather mysterious. There has been a very significant increase in the last fewdecades. Some say this is due to mercury based preservatives in childhood vaccines and some say it's due to better diagnoses. I would not be surprised at the mercury connection. Please, do not pity those with Asperger, though if you are in the teaching professions, help them find their gifts. Once they find their niche, their ability to hyper-focus on topics of interest...well, they'll kick your ass in an academic setting. I don't mean to stereotype here, but that's what I've seen so far. And if HH is Asperger's...he fits this profile as well. But the red flags. I don't know how much to say. there was a fifth possibility of how to interpret you that I didn't put down. I suppose all I'll say is that when you combine a military family background, freemasonry and having been given special "testing" when you were a kid for 6 hours a week that you no longer remember well...well, this is a familiar scenario for regular readers of this site. This paragraph is meant to be about concern for you...not criticism and I know you'll dismiss it. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>When I was 18 I visited Dayton OH and the location of my "class". Since then, things have gotten progressively weirder for me.<hr></blockquote> Crap...look, if you are a talented writer of fiction who is on this site to bullshit us then please stop. If this is all true, on the other hand, then there are things going on with you you aren't aware of . I really hope (except for the pain it may cause others) that you are bullshitting us. Because otherwise, I guess many of us know what those "classes" were all about. I'm going to message another member of this group who knows a lot more about this stuff and ask her to read your narrative. One other thing, once again, if this stuff is true for you and not bull shit...then you need to be a lot more careful. You've provided enough information on this board to be identified and located easily, especially by someone who has access to the records of that "gifted program" you were in.

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:56 pm

The actual title of the book DE mentioned is The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time. It's a terrific book. I just read it last month. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/14/05 10:56 am

by **jenz** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:44 pm

DE wrote much of what I was thinking. uncannily close in fact. Aside from which, on a strictly practical level, there is no way you could safely infiltrate a practising ra group, especially (so I deduce from the writing,) knowing relatively little about the modus operandi of such groups. Nor can we, unfortunately perhaps, swap over a public board, details of perps, or discuss the things they have done to individual victims who have trusted us with their stories. I think about this more or less 24/7 - I haven't come up with a way of playing hero (ine) - there is a gap, which i think could be worked on, the information gap; that which has led even those who think they are very conspiracy aware, to make assumptions. those assumptions boil down to thinking that ra is a smaller prob. than it is, that it is something which affects specific groups of people, that it is exaggerated, (or fantasised), that it is somehow less dangerous for each of us than the other matters discussed here such as overtly political manipulation lies, malfeasance in public office, dodgy financial deals ; above all the very dangerous assumption that it is something which happens ot other people, unlucky enough to have a funny background, or careless or stupid.

by **Avalon** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:18 pm

I don't have time to discuss any of this, but I'd like to back up Dreams End on what he just said regarding red flags.

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:31 pm

From my experience, military families and "gifted kids" who are tested weirdly...can indicate MC situations. However, perhaps the writer is aware of it himself. I think there were, or are, attempts in Israel to infiltrate RA groups, so this is not a totally impossible situation. I would say this is very dangerous. I have seen some success here in ISrael, but I think those who did it are government, so they are protected. In Israel most RA situations go up to the highest echelons of government/mafia and so it would have to bo other government departments who deal with it, and require political backing of highest decisions. In terms of policing, I think the regular police is useless or cooperates with the criminals. you don't dial 911 for this, neither go to the local station. In the US it could some special units from postal police, or so, who cannot be approached by other police officials who are bent. Generally speaking, do not mess with the devil if you don't have a host of armies backing you up. The devil always wins.

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