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by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:10 pm

Bullshit: sometimes, but everything I've said here is true, although I've left out some of the truth, meaning I've lied by omission, none of what I have said is untrue. (although I'd like to think of myself as a brilliant creator of fiction, mostly I crib things from the "real" world) The connections with Asp, as I've been told are more on the symptomatic level, as Asp doesn't have its own set of known physical symptoms, currently being regarded more as a behavioral disorder. My symptoms are considered "slight" and "chronic" Thanks for the book rec, but it really isn't neccessary, as I've said, I'm currently studying brain sciences, so I already own a variety of textbooks that address this problem, although I'll put your book on my list. Thank you for your concern over my well being, but it isn't truly neccessary. I am personally not engaged in any particularly dangerous activities. Perhaps you are comfortable with waiting until someone else does something about this problem, unfortunately, not everyone is so comfortable with it. As to the suggestions of MC, it is something I have given long periods of thought towards. I do not find it likely, as it appears I was removed from this program before I got very deep. Although, I am certainly aware that I might be "checked on" from time to time. This doesn't really bother me as much as perhaps it should. I'm not afraid of the "them" we speak of so often. I think that the fear we exhibit when confronted with these issues only serves to reinforce their control. The idea that one must possess an army to be capable of instigating change is a misnomer. It allows them to exercise freely, because people (like you) believe that these bastards are untouchable, when this is far from true. The "big brother is watching" meme has a profound effect on the ability of the masses to create autonamous zones, that is, it prevents much constructive effort to neutralize the (relatively) small number of people who carry out these activities. I'd imagine that a very large portion of the PTB are "aware" of such issues, but remain silent out of fear. Your caution merely reinforces this silence, making you complicit in their activities. I do not say this lightly. I thank you for your efforts to maintain my personal safety, but my safety is not the primary concern. The primary concern is the futures of the children that are being subjected to worse crimes at this very moment. A refusal to confront those responsible, for whatever noble reasons, will only allow these practices to continue unabated. Sure, I admit, it is entirely possible that I have implants in me and am currently under surveillance. They might even kill me someday, but that might happen anyway(remember that). If they do kill me, it would not be my first death, and it won't be my last. I'd just come back as something worse. Your fears of the safety of myself and others may be founded, but they might not save any of us if you simply wait on someone else to do the dirty work for you. The fear of death is the enemy of man, and the chains that hold him in his bondage. So long as you refuse to act from this fear, you will remain in slavery. The police are not going to save you. Your government will never admit its crimes and prosecture the criminals. You live in delusion if you believe that this problem will be solved by anything less than steel and fire in the hands of the victims. The devil indeed. He should be watching his own back. "People should fear their governments; Governments should fear their people" -A. Moore (writer, Thelemite) Until then, SHCR

by **jenz** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:18 pm

Who would be the highest political authority in Isreal?

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:49 pm

:-)) I just read HH's response and I feel that I should feel like he does. Fear, indeed, is the worse enemy, and as I wrote somewhere earlier in response to PW, I am very intimately familiar with fear, and did not ever get over it, enough to stand up to my own standards. This is a sore spot. I feel that HH's response is healthy, but I cannot usually hold on to that sense of fully being human. Since I have tasted the harsh hand of the brutes in my country, I remain in fear, which is really only half living, if not less than that. As for the question "who was I referring to" in my earlier post , its a general assessment of the situation, considering nobody can do anything against it, effectively. I hope this satisfies you for the time being, and you are welcome to read it as connected to my first paragraph. cowards tend to live longer, although the quality of that life is questionable. :O)

by **jenz** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:05 pm

not sure how much of the last was directed at me, if I gave the impresion that I was comfortable doing nothing it was wrong. I have examined, and continuously re-examine my options for different types of action in this area. my concern was not actually for your safety - no offence meant here - but rather for the practicalities of what you suggest, or seem to be suggesting, by infiltration. as I don't know what information you are acting upon, its difficult to be more specific about this. however, ifrom what I know of the way ra groups work, the chances of infitration would be remote. IR has said that Isreali agencies have done this - well I'd like to know more, because it hardly squares with what I had heard about the Sharon/Belgium business. actions which are practical and more readily available include support for survivors, who are the most precious resource we have, both because they have invaluable information and because they are living proof that evil doesn't automatically triumph. this action usually runs counter to taking direct action against the perps though, a. it identifies the survivor and their supporter, b. if you are unsuccessful or unlucky (big possibility) you leave the survivor unsupported. as you say you have an interest in neuroscience (that bit wasn't fiction was it?), then there is a hell of a lot of work to be done in the field of trauma study - which as a corollorary would be likely to throw up bucket loads of the information you are looking for now on perpetrator groups. this is just one small part of the possible field of action - I could go on for pages.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:16 pm

Better to die on one's feet. We will all die anyway. Why should we be afraid of something that happens to all things? Did you fear life before you were born? I am growing tired of living half alive. I am tired of waiting on the other shoe to drop. And I am tired of being told that someday it will be better if we only wait and spread our knowledge to others. I do not believe that. I believe it is long passed time. I believe that you should not be afraid of "them". You should be afraid of how your children will punish you when your inaction has forced them into slavery as well. Of course, I caution against hate and uncontrolled anger for the same reason I argue against fear. It is the tool of the enemy, used to blind your reason. "Hatred transforms and prevents you from controlling the influence of your opponent; worse yet it opens you to his own influence, which you can know and paralyze if you remain calm, without reacting" --Julius Evola (Note Evola was a former SS spy for the German reich. He was remarkably racist, at least during his younger life, but seems to have lost his fascination with fascism when the Russians entered Germany. I only mention this before someone else does, I wouldn't want to seem like I don't know about the people I'm quoting) I am not advocating a reactionist approach. I am not advocating a rage filled bullet match with the dogs of war. I am advocating a movement away from the perpetual falling back that defines our age. Away from the quiet peacemongering and "passive" resistance that has become so fashionable in modern times. I am advocating a counter offensive.

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:13 pm

THis is very valuable, what you are writing. THis discussion is important for me and resonates with dilemmas, lifelong...ones. What I referred to as the attempts I know of in terms of RA infiltration is only a drop in the ocean, and the exception to the rule here, of covering up the entire issue. And as I wrote earlier, the majority of the public never heard of the terms we are using here, so deep is the denial and cover up. However, recently, and I suppose this is...probably less than a year, I have noticed some activity over the internet. Since a lot of MC/RA is using internet, at least in ISrael (as stalking, and perhaps more than that, I don't know the technicalities), there was a certain person who was almost overtly doing it under some nickname. It was as if he was not even concerned, he was protected from high up. At one instance, a few years ago he even stepped into a forum of incest and sexual abuse victims, which was part of a women's shelter network and discussed his gory deeds, beliefs and it was like talking live to the devil. There were some weird scenes there, with a victim whom he was abusing on the net, live, in front of us, and kind of "showed us" how he can get away with it. There was an attempt to involve law enforcement, because the shelter has their own police contacts, but it ended up as a fiasco, and we were left with the feeling of lawless tyranny, the worst feeling you have. During the last few months there was a man, in the internet again (using a nick), who gradually eliminated him, and eventually this man, whom we now know who he is, left/was banished and moved to the USA (there, now you have another one over there..but I don't think he'll be doing that there, at least for language reasons..). Its like wherever that guy went, the other followed, and so forth. It was clear there was a political issue involved, and that the ousted abuser belonged somehow to a certain clique in Likkud, and the "ghost buster" was somehow from another faction, or civil servant. I don't know if this description is making any sense to you, but this is the best I can do. During this "tug of war", things came up. I don't know about the Sharon Belgium thing...sounds very interesting if someone is willing to share.

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:33 pm

The only thing I can connect to Belgium, is quite old. There was a huge RA/CHild abuse network there, which was actually exposed a few years ago, and it turned out this was tied to very senior people there. It seem that some twenty years ago, Israelis were getting a crash course in RA techniques in Belgium, and perhaps more than that. Namely, this was government sending people over to learn the techniques and get in the loop. I don't know what happened later, this was, as I said some twenty years ago or more. I thought all this Belgium cesspool was cracked by police raids, when they found those missing girls. But I never heard of a specific connection to Sharon, in THIS matter. So if there is anything that is circulating here, on this involvement it would be interesting for moi.

by **Project Willow** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:46 pm

The group you are dealing with is extremely sloppy. I hope you are collecting as much evidence as possible. Are you working with any outside witnesses, an attorney or PI, others who are trustworthy and can verify if you ever find you can go to authorities? I don't mean for you to answer that, it's just a thought. Sorry about the horrors, I echo what Jenz has said. My own situation continues to improve.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:48 pm

If life ever gets too dangerous for you in Tel Aviv, we could try to set you up here. Of course, there is no telling how long it will be before it gets worse here. (Detroit is no picnic, but its better than almost anywhere in the middle east in terms of imminent danger) *At least here, unlike some places, we don't have to worry about someone hijacking planes from our airports. People in our airports carry guns onto the planes(I personally brought several guns back from mexico through detroit metro back in 1999), razor knives would only get you laughed at and then shot. *Its also fairly well known that we have, it is said, the largest population of Muslims outside the middle east. Part of my initial reluctance to dismiss the activities of the Bush regime out of hand has to do with the reactions of the former Iraqis I know personally, who mostly support our efforts in their former home. I go to school in one of these predominantly muslim neighborhoods. I seem to be strangely attracted to girls whose faces I cannot see and who will not make eye contact with me...

by **Dreams End** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:08 pm

Hello again. First off, you don't owe us "full disclosure" of course. In fact, I'd advise against it. good thought...no living in fear. But also one needs to deal in reality, and I'm suggesting that things may not be as they seem. In that case, it's not just about safety but about wasted energy. Or playing into their hands. I hope you have a good therapist who can help you find that missing time to get some answers. Although most of the false memory stuff is B.S., I do think it takes a skilled practioner to keep that journey honest. Actually, I do believe it's quite possible to implant false memories. I think the MC folks do it all the time, which is why they know so much about it at the FSMF (started by spook shrinks.) However, I don't think it is as easy as a leading questions under hypnosis. Colin Ross says it's perfectly easy to do, but you would have to be willing to subject someone to all kinds of abuse over an extended period of time. I also think they are pretty good at making "screen memories" that are there to confuse and I think this is why some of the stories are so bizarre. Anyway, if you are thinking of this is a war, then these things are about securing your position as much as anything else. No sense making things easy for them...whoever THEY are (willing to bet some of them are at Wright-Pat, though.) Finally, as to what we can do. No chance I'm going to try to infiltrate RA groups. However, info is really needed. I'm sorry and I don't mean to be offensive, and obviously from my post to HH I believe this stuff is real, but the state of info on MC (of the bluebird variety) and RA is simply crap. I know this is partly a result of deliberate disinfo and, unfortunately, some hucksterism and also some reduction of the RA phenomenon into a rehash of the old blood libel/anti-Semitic theories. I am DESPERATE to get some really reliable info. Firsthand accounts aren't enough. There's a little bit that seems reliable to me, but even something like the Franklin Cover-up. Those kids were surely used as sex slaves by powerful higher ups, but I can't help but wonder if the stuff about Gosch and Monarch and the White House got added AFTER deCamp came on the scene. DeCamp as in friend of CIA chief Colby. As in with research partner Larouchian, Chaitkin. So, even that info as damning as it was, seems tainted. I'm wandering off topic a bit...but information...it's powerful. The good guys are getting their asses kicked here by fairly powerful forces but there has GOT to be a way to do better.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:42 pm

I know. I haven't really told you anything too sensetive. There is always more. I no longer have a therapist per se, although I have a network of decent psyhologists, etc, that I communicate with on a regular basis, as a result of my being in the process of becoming one myself. Better for me, than any amount of discussion with trained analysts was the catharsis created by the occult splintering techniques I've practiced and been taught. The inversed opposite of shelling, the "black magic" of DID mind controlling. This has allowed me to view my lifespan as an object instead of a series of moments. While I am still "missing time", it is no longer as relevant as it was, because I can view those parts as they are interconnected with the whole, and this process has allowed fragments to reemerge into my consciousness. Most of these involve "lab time". For a study of the interrelatedness of these topics, a decent introduction (available online, I believe) would be "Initiation and Psychotherapy" by Israel Regardie, one of the more respected occultists active in the mainstream. No one is attempting to infiltrate "RA groups" specifically, more in the manner of joining various organizations and probing them for information on this and other subjects. Sometimes you get a bite, so to speak. Even then, it seems the public groups are often cover for other players which don't include the rank and file membership. Mostly the purpose of this tactic is to spread awareness in the general sense and form "neighborhood watch" type collectives in the types of places these abusers like to hide. We will make it more difficult for them to do this in plain sight, if nothing else. The secondary effect, as noted in previous posts, is to understand the nature of the occult practices of these groups. If memberships and superstitions can be reasonably "guessed", then counter activites can be taken. One need not believe in the occult to engage in info war with occultists, although it helps. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> They believe in magic, which means it will work on them, even if it doesn't work on anyone else. We have uncovered some things, but nothing specific enough to allow me to elaborate further. As far as a way to do better, its something I've been mulling on for a considerable length of time. The most important thing is to find the cracks in the armor and pry them open with the biggest crowbars available. "Shell" the shellmen, so to speak.

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:02 pm

Personally, I'd like to know your full name, the one on your birth certificate.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:08 pm

Not likely. Though I'm sure you could find me, I've given enough information away already. -SHCR

by **Dreams End** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:19 pm

Umm..why? Mrs. End an I were just commenting on the fact that I probably shouldn't have used my real name on this forum. "Dreams," she said, "you can't be too careful." And Robert, why do you hide behind that pseudonym? Doesn't even sound like a real name. But back on topic. One thing I worry about...and then I'll shut up about my worries about HH's situation...is that I think some of these MC victims "escape" or are helped out by people who turn out to be their new handlers. That was actually my concern here. Without knowing what that 6 hours a week of training was, it's really not possible to know if you actually "turned them down" on the offer of further training. People have said, and I offer this as food for thought only as I don't have experience with this stuff and it is way wild, that their programming kicks in and off they go to carry out a task or attend a meeting or ceremony of some kind. So, I think it would be worth knowing if one is programmed or not. I have no advise on how to go about determining that. Bluebird type MC is the deliberate creation of alter personalities. I don't know about the programming part but I DO know a great deal about what is now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder or DID, though as far as we can tell, my wife's condition is not the result of programming...but more specific memories will emerge soon. I think I'll post on another thread about that as I'd like some free advice. Anyway, the whole point is that alters can be unaware of each other and their activities , so I'd look for some of the following further red flags: continued incidents of "missing time." accounts from friends of things you've said or done but have no memories of. items in your house which you have no idea how they got there complaints from others of frequent "mood shifts" (DID is often misdiagnoses as bipolar disorder. Hearing voices...primarily voices inside the head as opposed to auditory hallucinations or, I suppose, summoned critters. My wife talked to herself in her head in a way she thought was normal...but multi-party arguments in one's head is not typical for most of us, especially if some voices are hostile or mocking. My wife is rather co-conscious which means she doesn't get too much missing time or alters out while unaware, but she does experience: depersonalization/derealization: feelings that you aren't real or that the surroundings aren't real (yes, this accompanies some types of spiritual experience, too) a sense of observing oneself as if watching a movie...not really out of body..just way in the background somehow (I can't explain this too well as I haven't experienced it but that's how she explains it.) None of these alone are sufficient for "diagnosing" DID, but they are red flags, especially with such a background as HH has.

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:27 pm

DE, I just felt like riding this guy's jock <a href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/111299a.html">www.consortiumnews.com/1999/111299a.html</a> [ Edit note: "the guy" I'm referring to is the author of the linked article in this message. You know, if you have to explain a joke...oh, well... ] Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/14/05 10:33 pm

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