Understanding the Religious Right

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Understanding the Religious Right

Postby sunny » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:27 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.yuricareport.com/index.html">www.yuricareport.com/index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/May2004/Bageant0518.htm">www.dissidentvoice.org/Ma...nt0518.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Just a couple of links to stories and sites to help us better understand what I believe to be a dangerous mass psychosis, one that is leading us down the road to destruction, and these people <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>cannnot</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> be reasoned with- take it from me, I encounter at least one of them every day, people who deliberately cut themselves off from reason and enlightenment, believe utterly that they are right and righteous, and everyone else is evil and doomed to hell.What is so frightening about them is that it is not just the leadership- the masses of followers are dangerous as individuals, nearly unstoppable as a group- What can each of us do, as individuals to turn the tide? I'm all ears <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Understanding the Religious Right

Postby wolf pauli » Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:07 pm

Here's an item from yesterday that purports to answer Sunny's question. You can judge for yourself how far it succeeds:<br><br>The Answer to Religion in Politics: Spirituality<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0606-32.htm">www.commondreams.org/views05/0606-32.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And though it makes no pretense of answering the question, here's an interesting, if somewhat tame piece on the topic from today's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Independent</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->:<br><br>In God we Trust: America's rising religious zealotry<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=644838">news.independent.co.uk/wo...ory=644838</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>-------<br><br>"... in the long run nothing can withstand reason and experience, and the contradiction which religion offers to both is all too palpable.<br><br>"No, our science is no illusion. But an illusion it would be to suppose that what science cannot give us we can get elsewhere."<br><br>- Sigmund Freud, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Future of an Illusion</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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One more heresy

Postby wolf pauli » Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:31 pm

"I wish to propose for the reader's favourable consideration a doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The doctrine in question is this: that it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. I must, of course, admit that if such an opinion became common it would completely transform our social life and political system; since both are at present faultless, this must weigh against it. I am also aware (what is more serious) that it would tend to diminish the incomes of clairvoyants, bookmakers, bishops and others who live on the irrational hopes of those who have done nothing to deserve good fortune here or hereafter. In spite of these grave arguments, I maintain that a case can be made out for my paradox, and I shall try to set it forth. ..."<br><br>- Bertrand Russell, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Sceptical Essays</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, ch. 1<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Understanding the Religious Reich

Postby anotherdrew » Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:36 pm

Here's a good link:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.neopagan.net/ReligiousReich.html">www.neopagan.net/ReligiousReich.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>I have no idea what to do about them at this point. I hope that it'll basicly work out to be another US mega-fad like disco. It's gotta blow over soon, unless of course it doesn't. <p></p><i></i>
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zealotry

Postby smiths » Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:18 am

to tell you the truth, from the outside americas rising religious zealotry looks utterly terrifying.<br>australia is a predominantly christian society as well but is so different in its practising of the faith.<br>christians are mostly intelligent and open to reasonable discussion and most atheists in their various forms respect the christians as well meaning people.<br>the christians for the most part seem also to be well disposed towards social justice, peacemaking and genuine diversity.<br>but the picture that beams out of america is of combative, righteous, war mongering christians. <br>they are right. <br>and if there is one postion that i am saddened and scared by more than any it is that one.<br>and worse than that, 15 years ago i thought they were a distraction and now they appear to be in a position of great power.<br>your moves affect the whole world.<br>and reasonable people across the world have probably never been as resentful and scared of america as they are now.<br>and again the worse part is we all believe in the ideals of your founding fathers and were prepared to share your earlier visions. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: zealotry

Postby anotherdrew » Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:44 am

15 years ago I too thought they'd go away more or less. In the 60s - early 70's there had been a semi-large largely 'left/progressive' surge in Christianity a lot of inter-faith dialog etc., but during the Carter admin it all started to go wrong. Then came Raygun and it's been downhill ever since. You see, in their minds, they are terribly persecuted - at war with the modern world - just weak little men who must follow a strong leader to get anywhere in life. So they vote as they're told, and increasingly they ARE reaping financial rewards as a result. All the while being driven on and on in their feelings of powerlessness and rage and fear of their own ignorance and fear of anything different from themselves. It seems to me a cultural disease and quite possibly a terminal one. <p></p><i></i>
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my take

Postby glubglubgtlub » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:13 am

Two types of religious right:<br><br>a) The great bulk of them are basically guiltridden about not being christian enough (and probably therefore afraid of death, also) but feel for the religion a lot like cubs' (or red sox until recently) fans, only more pathological: massive umbrage taken to any criticism from outside sources, but only lukewarm personally. this group depending on where you draw the line covers probably 20-50% of americans, maybe more. much of that number would blow the other way should a respectfully irreligious environment come to predominate<br>b) The extreme edge, composed of raging lunatics through only slightly mentally ill; most fundies that I've met fit into this category (per my characterization and a suitable interpretation of the dsm requirements to make the diagnosis official) at least partially. These folks tend to be anywhere from slightly cracked to batshit insane, but unfortunately rather than getting diagnosed and antipsychotics thrown at them they are encouraged by the lukewarm masses, or at least tolerated more than they should.<br><br>Really, if I steadfastly believed in something that eye has not seen and ear has not heard and based my life around that -- and it wasn't an acknowledged religious text -- how long would it be before my family arranged to have me committed? <br><br>I do think the best way to fight the religious right is to make them irrelevant; because their political interests nicely dovetail with generally rightist candidates they're a power base for the more public of our rogues' gallery here, and likewise masquerading as a far right christian basically gets you a free pass for serious consequences (even if you're the butt of bar jokes at college pubs).<br><br>Aside from their connections with and exploitation by the monied sorts the religious right are basically economically worthless, and it won't be hard to make them moreso with a bit of concerted effort: the energy price rise will make clustering of residencies and workplaces closer together almost inevitable, and since the nutbags need each other for support they'll self-segregate even as the rest of us self-segragate away.<br><br>I really encourage people here to start looking into planned communities of some sort, with covenants that as much as possible will turn away -- if not outright ban, which you'd have trouble getting away with -- undesireables, and proceed to make them successful; I can't see any better way to weather the upcoming storms and I can't see any other way of taking out the RR beyond letting them turn themselves into peasants in as isolated a sandbox as we can get them into. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: my take

Postby anotherdrew » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:26 am

after the self-segregation: This time, if they want to have a share of the burried treasure on our mountain, they have to wait down in the valley and we'll bring them some.<br>"No tin solders alowed beyond this point without escort" <p></p><i></i>
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Interesting qoutes

Postby sunny » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:13 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.reandev.com/taliban/">www.reandev.com/taliban/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>..from the religious right-note especially Randall Terry, in which he advocates the hunting down and killing of gays, and, I think, liberals as well.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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