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Are Luciferians All Wrong?

Postby heyjt » Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:53 pm

This website has been quite an education, and I hope this topic has not already been extensively covered:<br> Are Luciferians all wrong? I phrase this in the context that from my understanding, they are not the same as the satanic, ritual abuse crowd.<br> Reading the posts about Steiner,Baily, the Lucis trust indicate that at some level it is just another benign religous belief, and at another level we have the one-worlders.<br> After re-reading the piece on Maurice Strong, it is obvious that his Socialist philosophy is the opposite of the Neo-con's version of the "new world order".<br> I also realize that Luciferian groups such as the Masons can have their corrupt influences such as the P-2 lodge. <br> Their philosophy seems to be one of gnostic enlightenment and self-empowerment. <br> I read "The Aquarian Conspiracy" by Marylin Ferguson recently. In an article about Benjemen Creme she is linked to the Luciferian one-worlders. I don't necessarily see it that way. The hope she posits in her book paralells Jeff's recent post "When the ship comes in".<br> I don't believe in one-world government, but I definately believe we need institutions like the UN.<br> Is it possible to seperate the politics of Luciferian elites from the philosophy and explore that?<br> As Jeff has said, "They think they are the good guys"... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians All Wrong?

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:01 pm

WELCOME Heyjt!!<br><br>My uncle was a shriner..great guy..my pal is also .another great guy . they do lots of charitable work..Its not the rank and file that are the problem..its the top echelons who kick back and enjoy the lifestyles of the rich and famous while the others do the work..<br><br>masons are part of the NWO ..dunno ?? I do know my uncle was justa regular type catholic who raised a bunch of nice kids..<br><br>the tip of the pyramid is the part to worry about... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians All Wrong?

Postby Project Willow » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:07 pm

My grandfather was a shriner. You have to be 33rd degree mason to be a shriner, no?<br><br>My grandfather also did charitable work, but on the weekends he tortured kids with the rest of the satanists in his particular network. Lots of it took place at the masonic temple. <p>PW</p><i></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians All Wrong?

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:09 pm

Welcome<br><br>It's like dbeach said. It depends on the level the person is in the organization. The higher up, the weirder it gets. At the bottom level it is a social club, then it turns more gnostic.<br><br>Once a person gets to the 9th degree of initiation they are taught that all prior teachings were false. "Nothing is true, and everything is permitted".<br><br>And from then on it becomes about selfishness and using whatever means to establish your goals. That's where it becomes a power tool. <br><br>The hidden knowledge reserved for the final degrees seems often to stand the earlier teaching on its head. God can turn out to be the devil, and the devil your elder brother Lucifer. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>You thought you were illuminated? Here's your illumination for ya, right here.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The song of the Perfect Initiate:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>How the Simple Mason plies<br>Tool to Temple, See it rise!<br>Princes of Jerusalem,<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>How we mock and scoff at them!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Boaz broken,<br>Jachin gone,<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Freely spoken<br>Jahbulon,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>All above<br>Is overthrown<br>For the love<br>Of Babalon.<br><br>Lend a hand, my trusty brother!<br>While there stand upon another<br>Of their Temple still a stone<br>Give the grip of Abaddon!<br><br>Split the skull! On guard the sword!<br>Earth be null and heaven abhorred!<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>All’s a lie, although divine</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> —<br>Give annihilation’s Sign!</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://xs38.xs.to/pics/05296/bushsignofdevilsml.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://xs38.xs.to/pics/05296/bushwitch.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://xs38.xs.to/pics/05296/horns.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians All Wrong?

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:25 pm

PW<br><br>"You have to be 33rd degree mason to be a shriner, no?"<br><br>dunno? ITS NOT MY EXPERTICE I Thought Shriners were a lesser order tham masons?<br><br>but my refernces are not higher members anyway..and I do know that only the very highest are the ones to be apprehensive about..GHWBush is a higher ranker as was LBJ Warren [of Warren commission fame} and many celebs..Ever seen the wink photo??<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%">www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>20History/most_revealing_wink.htm<br><br>Maybe do some resreach and get back with it<br><br>I do know that many mason symbols are in JFK death.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians All Wrong?

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:04 pm

> You have to be 33rd degree mason to be a shriner<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>What is the Shrine?<br><br>The Shrine is not an appendant body of Masonry, though the distinction would escape many. The Shrine confers no additional degrees. It was founded in 1872 (the Mecca Shrine in New York City) and an Arabic theme was chosen. Hence, the distinctive red fez that Shriners wear at official functions.<br>Members of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles the Mystic Shrine for North America ( AASONM is an anagram for "A MASON" ) are members of the Scottish Rite's 32nd degree, and/ or Knights Shriner of the York Rite.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ben-ali-shriners.org/Masonicfaq.htm">www.ben-ali-shriners.org/Masonicfaq.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Edit:Removed smiley. There's nothing funny about shriners <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 8/6/05 3:05 pm<br></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians ?

Postby ZeroHaven » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:22 pm

um, DrDebugU, are those pictures doctored or does babyBush really fling out "worship satan" regularly?<br>I've never noticed him to do that.. <br>Maybe that gesture means something else somewhere, but not in my universe. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians ?

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:32 pm

Zerohaven:<br><br>He did it several times. It is not standard behavior because it'll freak people out when the president does it. For masons it is not worship satan, but the annihilation sign.<br><br>It is not what you believe, it is what Bush believes. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Are Luciferians ?

Postby Sweejak » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:34 pm

Those hand signals are also the symbol for the University of Texas football team, "The Texas Longhorns". It means "hook em horns"<br>I think he uses it because he can get away with it and that he is fully aware of the double meaning.<br>What do you think though when Prince Harry does it?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5774/hornsprincewilliam0mq.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Or Berlusconni?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7175/hornsberlusconi2zr.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Signs

Postby antiaristo » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:36 pm

db, You're teasing again. The link doesn't work.<br><br>ZH/Doc, Don't forget Clinton! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Signs

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:40 pm

> db, You're teasing again. The link doesn't work.<br><br>I've just tried it and it goes to the page. You have to scroll down though, because it sublink on the page is incorrect. It's a bunch of stupid masons who made that site <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I don't have the picture of Clinton... There is a picture of Clinton giving a masonic handshake somewhere as well and I couldn't find it anymore either... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Signs

Postby Sweejak » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:45 pm

here is a quote, again I difficult to verify.<br><br>"We must allow all the federations to continue just as they are, with their systems, their central authorities and their diverse modes of correspondence between high grades of the same rite, organized as they are at the present, but we must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree whom we shall select. With regard to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledges to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international center, the more powerful because its direction will be unknown." ----<br>Giusseppe Mazzini 33rd degree Mason to Albert Pike on how to head the American chapter, January 22, 1870 <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Signs

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:48 pm

I found Bill Clinton again:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/greatseal/clintondevil.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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NWO quotes

Postby DrDebugDU » Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:06 pm

"We are not going to achieve a New World Order <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>without paying for it in blood</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> as well as in words and money." <br>- Arthur Schlesinger Jr., 'The CFR Journal Foreign Affairs', August 1975.<br><br>"A <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>world government can intervene militarily</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities." <br>- Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary General<br><br>"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated*</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."<br>- Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991<br><br>"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> practiced in past centuries."<br>- David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.<br><br>"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->."<br>- Myron Fagan<br><br>"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>make a pledge to worship Lucifer</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."<br>- David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations<br><br>"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."<br>- George Herbert Walker Bush<br><br>"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>by conquest or consent</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->."<br>- Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, 1950<br><br>"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>also with the secret societies</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. "<br>- British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876<br><br><br>"The real rulers in Washington are <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>invisible</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, and exercise power from behind the scenes."<br>- Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952<br><br>"<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Fifty men have run America</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, and that's a high figure."<br>- Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, 1936 issue of The New York Times.<br><br>etc.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/quotes/index.htm">www.theforbiddenknowledge.../index.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Back to my original question...

Postby heyjt » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:23 pm

Personally, I think the Masons (with the exception of the P-2 lodge et al.) get a bad rap sometimes. I have a WW2-era book about Moussolini which details how one of the first groups he went after was the Masons. They were the publishers, lawyers, bankers, and free-thinkers who could have challenged his authority.<br> The Bavarian illuminati as formed by Weishaupt had a mission to end the Monarchy, which is somewhat of a good thing in my opinion.<br> I say this as a person who doesn't even know a Mason in my circle of friends, and I certainly am not one.<br> My initial post was directed more at the people who study Blavatsky, her followers and related issues. Is Creme propping up Mayatrea as a hoax? Can a Luciferian prophet still be a spiritual prophet?<br> Is Maurice Strong so wrong? What about the philosophy sans politics? Just more cult worship?<br> You see, I believe this must be different than Scientology, for example. <br> People who study esoterica are often leaderless and don't have to spend great sums of money to find some form of enlightenment. Wheather it's the correct or moral path-- who's to say? These people are certainly not the satanists,<br> (At least as far as I know).-- The Luciferian ideology does not seem injurious to others, unless coupled with a criminal enterprise.<br> As far as the Masons, it's such an open secret that it's a Luciferian society that I can't believe that a novice Mason wouldn't already know it. So much for the big secret being revealed at 33 degrees.<br> I guess I'm thinking more about the classical mystics that are not necessarily in the rank-and-file of such an organization...<br> <p></p><i></i>
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