by Homeless Halo » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:21 am
ivanbo: <br>Glad I apologized in advance. If english is not you're first language, then you have a more than adequate excuse for being minimalist in your writing style. I will clarify: "real" as in, not someone else on this board pretending to be "you". That is, we seem to have a rash of "new" people here, and not all of them are really "new". See?<br>(Me, well, I'm actually new, been here a couple weeks, but I've read enough of the archives here to feel like I know these people)<br><br>My intent is not to dissuade you from your own beliefs, but rather to encourage you to not to assume that anyone who professes non-christianity simply does not know christianity, especially when confronting americans. I see television commercials everyday that tell me I'm going to hell. We have three network religion channels here. (thats just over the airwaves) I'm innundated with religion, so I tend to have knee-jerk reactions to attempts to evanglize me. This is mostly because I used to be an evangelical, many moons ago. So my polemic is vaguely personal.<br><br>No offense meant, and I hope none was taken. You'll find that I'll insult you more the better I like you. <br>(Dream's End is my favorite person here) I don't usually bother to argue with boring people. Too lazy. <br><br>I cut my internet discussion "teeth" on Faith/Religion boards, and this has had more than a small effect on my tendency to be overbearing and honestly, much too vague.<br><br>-------<br>banned:<br><br>The problem with the "misinterpreted normal phenomena" theory is when it coincides with actual curses. Say I put a curse on you and don't tell you I did, and you see my friend "clausewitz" sitting in your freezer making your tofu hot dogs mold. How does that work?<br><br>I've heard *cough* that the best time to send an egregore after a person is while they're asleep. The hypnagogic state can induce "contact" without outside intervention. With it, you can almost guarantee it.<br><br>In Voodoo, and a number of "grey" arts, there are no "good" or "evil" powers, because no one has a monopoly on morality at either polarity. The God, YHVH, in the BIBLE even, has "evil spirits" he sends(to torment Saul, for example). I tend to focus more on the individual and their personal intent when judging the "nature" of the spook. Of course, some spooks aren't created intentionally, but are agressive because they manifest as a result of deep trauma and/or adolescent angst in "tuned" individuals (poltergeists are usually of this variety). Even in this sense, I do not recognize good and evil as things in themselves, but rather individualist framing of events based on inbuilt "valuing" systems. Example: Does Dick Cheny THINK he is evil? OR does he think he serves the natural order?<br>Which is true? Which is more "natural"..."good" or "evil"...?<br><br>Of course, there are also a variety, a majority perhaps, of entities that do not fit into either category. Michigan, in the Detroit area, has been beset with "dwarves" for a long time. Since before the white man came here. These guys are mildly mischievous, but haven't been known (so far as I've heard) to have intentionally harmed or frightened anyone. Just funny little guys with strange hats and lil booties. If you give them a quarter, they'll tell you your fortune. Expect "magic 8 ball" level of response.<br><br>Perhaps the "demons" sitting on your chest, were sent by your "friend" but you misinterpreted their advances. Perhaps their hair pulling was merely some form of extradimensional foreplay, and they were merely trying to get freaky with you. Perhaps the name of "Jesus" didn't "frighten" them, but they left because they thought that meant you were a square and they knew they weren't gonna get any...<br><br>Just saying, y'know?<br><br>Whereas the Miltonesque Lucifer, would indeed be far more imposing, I doubt that he'd feel any of us to be sufficiently threatening to him that he'd harm us. I think he and I would likely get on pretty well. I could take him to the club, introduce him to some girls who not only wouldn't MIND his bat wings but actually would...<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>