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Re: Much Ado About Nothing?

Postby nomo » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:29 pm

Sunny, I must insist your reply is all too typical. I know many Christians who would agree that terrible things have been done in the name of their faith, but they always, with no exception, claim that was because of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>others</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, who misrepresent the true teaching of the Bible.<br><br>It's a lame excuse, frankly. <br><br>If anything, it shows that whatever it is the Bible teaches, it has no place in the public discourse, and should be kept to oneself, lest somone distorts it for their own nefarious purposes.<br><br>Coincidentally, that's exactly what this Jesus guy was preaching! (But then again, maybe I'm just cherry-picking from his teachings here...)<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Much Ado About Nothing?

Postby sunny » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:35 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I know many Christians who would agree that terrible things have been done in the name of their faith, but they always, with no exception, claim that was because of others, who misrepresent the true teaching of the Bible.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>What others? I said <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Christendom</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, which pretty well says it all. Which part of that worldwide empire could you exempt from that characterization?<br><br>I'm looking for the answer to that, believe me. <p></p><i></i>
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No Fandom of Christendom...

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:02 pm

nomo, I didn't feel personally insulted by your post. I am not a fan of Catholicism myself, but I think it's worthless to call their people creeps. The reason I don't pay much attention to "wikipedia" is because I (and I alone) consider it to be a major disinfo site run through its "volunteers" by the PTB. Now, I could be wrong about that, but until proven so, I will pay NO attention to anything from that site.<br><br>You don't want anything to do with Christianity, I agree that you have a perfect right not to. But the OP here, maryk, posted an opinion and invited discussion. That's what we're doing here. Your opinions are as valid as anyone else's.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What others?

Postby nomo » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:02 pm

Your explicit invocation of the word <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Christendom</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> is a perfect example of those "others." You're implying that the problem is the institution, not the people. When in fact the institution wouldn't exist without the people.<br><br>Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you, or your faith. My stance is that religion should not be made political, and that your own feelings of personal redemption are no answer to the problems we're facing today. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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All Too True...

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:10 pm

nomo, at least we BOTH agree on that. Faith is only a personal answer to or for anything. Politicians should not inject it into their plans and discourses just to manipulate feelings and VOTES. Religion of any stripe is NOT going to get the world out of this present mess. It seems all too good for starting wars, but never very good at stopping them. Peace, Floyd<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: No Fandom of Christendom...

Postby nomo » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:12 pm

My barb wasn't against Catholicism, but against Christendom in general. (In fact, I feel the same about any religion, but let's stay focused here.)<br><br>I mentioned Mother Theresa, because all too often Christians believe they can get away with all kinds of sh!t as long as they're perceived to be doing "good deeds", like she was said to have done. But when you read up on it, you'll find that she made her good deeds dependant on whether people were willing to convert, even baptizing dying people against their will, regardless of their religion.<br><br> (Your Wikipedia paranoia is a bit out of place in this context. It remains a treasure trove of information when approached with a healthy bit of skepticism. And it's not like the info on Mother Theresa can't be verified elsewhere.)<br><br>Finally, let me reiterate my reasons for posting in this thread. It's not because I want to diss Christians. It's because it is my conviction that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Christians/Christianity/Christendom is very much responsible for the sense of impending doom being spread around the world, and that the braindead answer of "just give your life to Jesus and it'll be all OK" is adding insult to injury.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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from a devout catholic

Postby mother » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:21 pm

nomo, your need to blame all the woes of 2000 years on the followers of Christ...well at least Joseph Stalin got rid of many millions of them, cheer up. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from a devout catholic

Postby nomo » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:28 pm

No, Mother, I don't need to place blame. I'm just pointing out the obvious. But be that as it may, what really gets my goat is the suggestion in this thread and others that all our troubles will go away as soon as we invite Jesus into our hearts. <br><br>It's that kind of simplistic pandering that's been annoying me here lately. If it works for you, cool, but I for one don't believe that being "born again" or some such nonsense is a serious answer to the problems we're facing.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Don' Worry....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:49 pm

....Be happy!!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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from a devout catholic

Postby mother » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:53 pm

re-read your posts. And really, are these Christians who point to worldwide flu pandemics, famine, global warming, asteroids, etc.? I thought they were scientists and so forth, and news outlets and filmakers and artists? By the way, thanks dragon and dbeach for defining loosh! I thought it was some type of surfer slang; which will show you how fuddy-duddy I am. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from a devout catholic

Postby sunny » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:02 pm

Many not professing any religious affiliation are also busy with doom and gloom scenarios; this cannot be denied. Just look at this board.<br>But as an example of the disconnect between religious teaching and what the bible actually says:<br><br>Ecclesiastes 1:4 :<br>"A generation is going and a generation is coming, but the earth is standing even to time indefinite."<br>Nor really compatible with rapture doctrine, is it? Would God really only populate his creation with the wicked who are left over after everyone else is gone? That is what that particular doctrine postulates. Read those "Left Behind" books, if you dare. Therefore, the earth is not going to "end" in the contemporary meaning of the word,only the wicked <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>system</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, which should be good news to everyone.<br>Proverbs 10:30 :<br>"As for the righteous one, he will not be caused to stagger, but as for the wicked ones, they will not keep residing on the earth."<br>I could go on and on, but I really hadn't meant to preach here, just maybe get others to understand that <br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>God Himself</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>is opposed to what is going on in His name.<br><br>As for M***** Theresa (can't bring myself to call her that) I have never, nor would I ever, defend her, but I feel no need to personally attack her. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from a devout catholic

Postby dbeach » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:10 pm

God helps those who help them selves.<br><br>Positive vibes bring back same.<br><br>I blame the top cats in religion/govt which is what the US and many nations have become.<br><br>The more alarming pt to me is these elites seem hell bent on gettin their way like spoiled kids and they are trying <br>for WW III or are gonna keep escalating the fear factor which is still terrifying.<br><br>I do NOT expect God or anybody to save me.<br><br>I will contunue to prepare myself for whatever the PTB throw at me.<br><br>Plenty blame to pass around in the corporat religions of the 21 st century. <p></p><i></i>
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What SHE Said....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:14 pm

....sunny, 'AT's Tellin' 'Em, Lady!!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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