Sitting around waiting for the show

by **Floyd Smoots** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:20 am

You folks didn't let a couple of dissenters "stop the show", did you?

by **dbeach** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:29 am

FS I was kinda waiting for you to show up. I try to not HATE anyone "There is nothing to hate except hatred" quote from Bob Dylan I don't hate any of the world leaders I think they are sickos and power mongers ..and control freaks. I think that they have decided in the millions of yrs of Creation that the luciferian /satanic worhip is their god/s and I don't want their god forced down my Soul or anybody else Soul including non-believers. So I will try to keep shining lifghts upon them and let them know that it does not have to be this way. I also don't believe in prophecy as a foregone conclusion. I see it as a warning..Clean up your act and be a good Christian..help others feed the poor ect... Still did not say the J word..and I think that Mary left this thead very open.

by **PeterofLoneTree** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:43 am

In her essay " Christianity or Machiavelli and The ETs", Laura Knight-Jadczyk states: "Machiavelli observed that religion and its teachings of faith, hope, charity, love, humility and patience under suffering were factors that render men weak and cause them to care less about worldly and political things, and thus they will turn political power over to wicked men who are not influenced by such ideals. Of course, the real trick is to convince people that the "afterlife" is the only thing worth thinking about, and it is to this end that Christianity has been formulated. It is also to this end that many of the New Age beliefs and "formulations" of the truth about Ascension have been engineered. All you have to do is have faith or meditate or love everything and everybody. "You could say that this is a tendency toward entropy." <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/christianity.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/christianity.htm</a> Other of Knight-Jadczyk's works which make observations and speculations about HOW MUCH of the bible can be believed include: "The Ark of the Covenant and the Temple of Solomon" <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho1.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho1.htm</a> "The House of David" <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho2.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho2.htm</a> "The First Torah and the First Temple" <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho3.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho3.htm</a> "Truth or Lies" <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/truth_or_lies.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/t...r_lies.htm</a> which contains these "pearls": "You go to church, get scared to death in an hour and a half, warned about hellfire and damnation, and then they pass the plate so that you can pay the high priests to put in a good word for you with God so that maybe you won't suffer as much as that jerk down the street who goes to a different church! And even if you do suffer here on earth, if you believe hard enough, and prove it by putting your money where your faith is, at least you'll get your reward in paradise." All these essays, as well as a host of other contemporaneous and historical subjects, can be found at the Quantum Future Group Sites Master Index at <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm</a>

by **sunny** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:16 am

Floyd: I know, and completely understand, that NO ONE HERE on this board actually "knows" me. I also understand that the PTB, thanks to the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc, alphabetica, ad nauseum, "know me" all too well. If THAT is not stepping out on faith, and trusting in God, and God alone, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, then, you, dear fellow believer, please tell me WHAT DOES??? I know, dear one, I make no effort to hide my identity either. "They" know where to find me if they should need me for some reason. PeterofLoneTree: "Machiavelli observed that religion and its teachings of faith, hope, charity, love, humility and patience under suffering were factors that render men weak and cause them to care less about worldly and political things, and thus they will turn political power over to wicked men who are not influenced by such ideals. Peter, I have not turned political power over to wicked men any more than you have. No peace loving person of good will can abide what is going on in the world today, whether they are religious or not, and it is painfully clear that if we (all of us)could, we would stop it forthwith. Therefore, it must logically follow, that we are (all of us) witnessing events over which we have no power. BTW, I am actually not a church goer- I've seen too much hypocrisy in religious institutions first hand. As to whether the bible can be believed, that is an entirely personal decision. You go to church, get scared to death in an hour and a half, warned about hellfire and damnation, and then they pass the plate so that you can pay the high priests to put in a good word for you with God so that maybe you won't suffer as much as that jerk down the street who goes to a different church! And even if you do suffer her Of all the sins of religious institutions, and they are legion,(don't get me started!) the use of such fear tactics,(for financial gain and psychological control) as opposed to the message of love, is one of the most egregious. It has led us all into wars and persecutions which are abomidable in the eyes of God.

by **marykmusic** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:03 am

When I started this thread, I didn't specify that I was only referring to Christians. The Hindu tradition is full of some pretty strange stuff, including (but not limited to) the caste system. How horrible is that? In the Moslem world are some fundies and some mystics. I have enjoyed reading Idries Shah's writings on Sufi teachings and philosophies since many years ago. My daughter, after being raised in the Unity church, converted to Catholicism to get married. We never discuss whether this is right or wrong; it simply IS. HOWEVER, some of what I would like to point out is the extreme narrow-mindedness that can be found among people who are strong believers in their particular B.S., such as this statement by Floyd: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Mormons are not [Christian] either, in spite of their blasphemous use of the savior's name in the "title" of their so-called church.<hr></blockquote> I have been living in Mormon country for many years, and include several among my well-respected friends. If there's one thing that really irritates them, it's being called "not Christian." Gotcha. --MaryK

by **dbeach** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:36 am

Sunny LOVE your responses U 2 Mary K "Therefore, it must logically follow, that we are (all of us) witnessing events over which we have no power.' Its a HUGE Blessing from Creation to be a witness to this unfolding tragedy..regardless of what yur Spitiual platform is I personally am chosing to believe that we still have much power and ability to prevent this scheduled Holocaust.. Love is gonna triumph hate! BTW Mary K Have U ever heard of the Legend of the Sleeping Ute? Look out IF you are an evil white ! "I am not a human having a spiritual experience I am a Spirit having a human experience" We have sailed together..many here..this is our Home let not differences deny us this treasure Earth.

by **Connut** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:57 pm

Talk about miss the point! Or was I being that obtuse? YOU are God. What YOU think influences what YOU bring into being. YOU create your own reality. YOU YOU YOU are responsible for all this. So YOU go ahead and focus on religion which is absolute nonsense - all of it - or politics, or aliens, or fear, or any other thing, and YOU will get more of it. Focus on being right and YOU will be. Or wrong. YOU choose. Good luck. Spread joy wherever you go. Cheers, Connut

by **professorpan** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:23 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Maybe I'm not "saved" because I haven't managed to give up cigarettes and beer yet. I know ALL of St. Paul's rants on these subjects, but I stand on the promise that ALL who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved.<hr></blockquote> I don't recall Paul ever discussing beer and cigarettes.

by **Floyd Smoots** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:23 pm

professorpan, you are correct about the cigarettes, but I read Paul's diatribes (warnings?) about wine to also apply to beer. You have Something there. maryk, you've got Nothing when it comes to info about the LDS (Mormons). <a href="http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm">www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm</a> That is just one of literally hundreds of sites that will explain why Mormons are not Christians, if you care to know the difference. If you don't care to expand your knowledge in that direction, then, by all means, don't bother. But don't play 'gotcha' when you do not know what you are talking about.

by **Floyd Smoots** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:55 pm

A snippet from that site, but, as I said, there are literally hundreds of sites with this same info: # God was once a man like us. # God has a tangible body of flesh and bone. # God lives on a planet near the star Kolob. # God ("Heavenly Father") has at least one wife, our "Mother in Heaven," but she is so holy that we are not to discuss her nor pray to her. # We can become like God and rule over our own universe. # There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds. # Jesus and Satan ("Lucifer") are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father # Jesus Christ was conceived by God the Father by having sex with Mary, who was temporarily his wife. # We should not pray to Jesus, nor try to feel a personal relationship with him. # "God" ("Jehovah") in the Old Testament is the being named Jesus in the New Testament. # In the the highest degree of the celestial kingdom some men will have more than one wife. # Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence", during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life. # Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned. # The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. All humanity before the Great Flood lived in the western hemisphere. The Ark transported Noah and the other survivors to the eastern hemisphere. Not exactly what I would call Christian theology, but what do I know? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=floydsmoots>Floyd Smoots</A> at: 2/14/06 11:55 am

by **sunny** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:36 pm

For the FWIW file: <a href="http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/srainmormonism.htm">www.saintsalive.com/mormo...monism.htm</a> <a href="http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/sat02.htm">www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/sat02.htm</a>

by **nomo** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:55 pm

Not exactly what I would call Christian theology, but what do I know? Oh boy. Here we go again. "Christian" groups accusing each other of "not exactly" being Christian. How much more pathetic does it have to get? This thread started out with the observation that a lot of people seem to be reveling in the sense of impending doom that's being spread around by... well, who knows. Again, I must stress that people who suggest I leave it all to Jesus profoundly insult my intelligence (not different from those who claim the reptiles are in charge or whatever.) People have been leaving it to Jesus for centuries, and look where we are. In my book, Christianity is part of the problem, not a solution. Christians have been preparing for this myth called "Armageddon" for forever, and now we live in a society that wants to throw out science, and just wait and watch the world being destroyed. Tell me again what positive role Christianity has had in world history? Don't bother with the "Mother Theresa" canned reply, she was a creep.

by **Floyd Smoots** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:09 pm

name calling, how intuitively rigorous, nomo. What do you tell a person with two blackened eyes? NOTHING, ya already told 'em TWICE! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b">

by **sunny** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:16 pm

Nomo, Christendom has had NO positive role in world history- quite the contrary, they have had the worst impact on events. However, nearly each and every one of them misrepresent the teachings of the bible, in order to turn people away from God. Draw your own conclusion from that. It is entirely your own decision whether you want to find out what the bible actually teaches. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 2/14/06 1:18 pm

by **nomo** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:24 pm

Floyd, that's your best response? Lemme see, re-reading what I wrote. Aha, yes, I used the word "pathetic" to describe the eternal Christian infighting that has brought us nothing but wars in the past 2,000 years. Seems pretty accurate to me. Oh, and I said Mother Teresa was a creep. But don't just take my word for it: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa#Criticism">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot...#Criticism</a> But did I call you, or anyone in this thread, any names, as you seem to suggest? Doesn't appear to be so. Maybe you felt personally insulted by my insisting your religion is part of the problem, but I believe that's a perfectly valid criticism, and not one you can escape simply by saying that's not you, it's those "other" Christians.

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