Lord Hutton's Famous Church

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Lord Hutton's Famous Church

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<br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> interesting article I ran across:</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/lord%20Huttons%20church.htm">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Lord Hutton's Famous Church</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> Rev C.D. Thomson - anchoredontherock@nf.sympatico.ca<br><br><br> It appears that it is not only American Christian Fundamentalism, given brand-name recognition by the likes of John Ashcroft, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, which shows the influence of religion on the administration of law and justice at the highest levels.<br><br> On the same day he released the official report on January 29th which determined that Dr. David Kelly died of suicide, after presiding over a lengthy inquiry which began last August into the microbiologist’s death, Lord Brian Hutton was profiled in the Church of England Newspaper. The article identified him as being a member of the Anglican congregation at Holy Trinity Brompton.<br><br> Aside from St. Paul’s Cathedral itself, it is doubtful that any Anglican church would be more readily recognized worldwide. Holy Trinity Brompton is famous for being the birthplace of “The Alpha Course,” authored by its pastor, The Rev. Nicky Gumbel, a key figure in “The Holy Laughter Movement”.<br><br> Since the late 1990’s, over 5,000 Alpha courses have run annually in the United States, sponsored by churches of many backgrounds, including Baptist, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic, Salvation Army, Lutheran, Methodist, Assemblies of God, and Episcopal denominations. About 1,000,000 people in American and Canada have already participated, while overseas, the material has been translated into several languages.<br><br> It was in the early 1980’s that Holy Trinity Brompton first achieved notoriety in England, after reports of people being lifted up in mid-air and supernatually thrown against walls. These unusual phenomena occurred during meetings featuring the guest ministry of the late John Wimber, an American specialist in church growth, who founded the Vineyard Church, an ecumenical mini-denomination headquartered in Anaheim, California. Wimber refined both his techniques and his theories when he later taught a controversial course called “Signs and Wonders,” at the prestigious Fuller Theological Seminary.<br><br> The manifestions in England, controversially ascribed to the Holy Spirit, were enthusiastically welcomed by Rev. Gumbel as a validation of his church’s new level of spiritual advancement. Christian authors Rev. John Mumford and Rev. David Pytches publicized these events. Mumford and his wife Eleanor founded a Vineyard Church in London, England. It was during this time that Rev. Gumbel developed the first version of “The Alpha Course” for his own parishioners.<br><br> In January 1994, the Vineyard-affiliated Toronto Airport Church, conveniently located adjacent to Pearson International Airport, claimed to experience Christian “renewal”. The same phenomena witnessed at Holy Trinity Brompton were now regarded as ‘a new thing’ in Canada, with the addition of those in attendance slithering on the floor like snakes, barking like dogs, and knocking their heads against the walls. Now, however, visitors from Rev. Gumbel’s congregation, where many similar supernatural signs and wonders had been witnessed ten years before, began to travel back and forth to Toronto in order to bring back to Britain the way to a deeper relationship with God, which they claimed to receive through the power of a technique which the Airport Church called “soaking prayer”. A kind of cross-pollination seemed to have occurred.<br><br> Thousands of thrill-seekers flew into Toronto to attend the meetings, and by September 1995, it was estimated that about 600,000 people, including approximately 20,000 Christian leaders from virtually every nation in the world, had arrived to “catch the fire,” as the revival was called. Several television news stories in Canada and abroad featured the church, capturing on video a characteristic involuntary abdominal spasm which afflicted many as a souvenir of their experience. That same year it was reported that 4,000 churches in the U.K. had joined Holy Trinity Brompton in receiving what was described by its adherents as a “transferable anointing”: the “The Toronto Blessing”.<br><br> Although details of Lord Hutton’s church attendance cannot be obtained, it is probable the events at Holy Trinity Brompton are well-known to him. After the death of his wife in 2000, Hutton married a widow at Holy Trinity Brompton, and the couple today are well-known at the church in London’s fashionable Belgravia district.<br><br> Lord Hutton is past president of the Northern Ireland Association for Mental Health.<br><br> Born in Ulster in 1931, Lord Hutton took a first in jurisprudence in 1953 at Balliol College, Oxford, then returned to Northern Ireland to continue his studies at Queen’s College, Belfast. He was called to the Northern Ireland Bar in 1954, becoming Junior Jounsel to the Attorney General in Belfast in 1969, a QC (Northern Ireland) in 1970, and a Senior Crown Counsel in Ulster from 1973-79. He was a member of the joint law enforcement commission of 1974. He was appointed Judge of the High Court of Justice (Northern Ireland), 1979-88; Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland, 1988-97; and Lord of Appeal in Ordinary, 1997-2004. In 1997, he became a Law Lord. Following the Hutton Inquiry, he announced his official retirement.<br><br> Britain has been condemned internationally for human rights abuses in Northern Ireland during the years of Lord Hutton’s career as both government prosecutor and member of the judiciary, a period known as ‘The Troubles’. It was an era of shocking violence, and the British authorities used torture as an interrogation tool. In 1978, Hutton represented the British Government before the European Court of Human Rights, defending it against a ruling that it abused and maltreated detainees.<br><br> Lord Hutton represented British soldiers at the Widgery Inquiry. It was in April 1972 that the former brigadier Lord Widgery published his now notorious report into the killing of 14 unarmed civil rights demonstrators by British paratroopers in Northern Ireland three months earlier, on what became known as “Bloody Sunday.” Lord Widgery cleared the soldiers of blame, insisting, in defiance of a mass of evidence, that they had only opened fire after coming under attack. The Widgery Report was so widely seen as a flagrant establishment whitewash, and continues to be such a focus of nationalist anger, that a quarter of a century later Tony Blair felt compelled to set up another “Bloody Sunday” inquiry under Lord Saville.<br><br> Hutton again became headline news in connection with the 1999 “Pinochet Affair”. Another senior judge, Lord Hoffman, had contributed to the decision to arrest and extradite the notorious former dictator of Chile during his visit to Britain. As a Law Lord, Hutton led a right-wing attack on Lord Hoffman, on the excuse that Hoffman’s links to the human rights group Amnesty International invalidated Pinochet’s arrest. If Lord Hoffman’s ruling were not overturned, Lord Hutton said, “Public confidence in the integrity of the administration of justice would be shaken.”<br><br> More recently in 2002, Hutton was one of four Law Lords who participated in the ruling that David Shayler, the former MI5 agent, should be denied his application to use as his defence that he had been acting in ‘the public interest’ by revealing secrets. Shayler was prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act after passing documents in 1997 to the newspaper “Mail On Sunday,” exposing the fact that the British Security Service had investigated Labour Party ministers Jack Straw, Harriet Harmon, and Peter Mandelson for political reasons. He was sentenced to six months in jail.<br><br> Adding to the many questions about Lord Hutton’s past performance is the conjecture that he is a Freemason. In 1997, Tony Blair’s election manifesto promised that his government would compile a register of Freemasons in public life. In February 1998 Blair’s new government (in a policy issued by then Home Secretary Jack Straw) required all new appointments to the judiciary, police, legally qualified staff of the Crown Prosecution Service, and probation and prison services, to declare membership in Masonic organizations. Existing government employees in those categories were encouraged to voluntarily announce such membership. Few have come forward.<br><br> If Lord Hutton is indeed a Mason, he is still not legally required to make a public admission of the fact, and he has made no statement on the subject to date.<br><br> Masonic affiliations are said to be common amongst Ulster’s judiciary. Hutton’s successor as Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland in 1997, Sir Robert Carswell, has been investigated as a possible Freemason and member of the related semi-masonic Orange Order. On January 13, 1997, the following exchange took place in the House of Commons, one year prior to the requirement for public disclosure of Masonic affiliations:<br><br> Mr. McNamara: To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor’s Department, if the next Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland is or has been a member of (a) the Masonic Order, (b) the Orange Order and (c) other societies membership of which must be declared. [10545]<br><br> Mr. Streeter: Judicial appointments are made on professional and personal merit. The Lord Chancellor does not require candidates for, or holders of, judicial office to declare membership of any lawful organisation.<br><br> The Ministry of Defence has also been associated with a high degree of Masonic involvement. Best-selling British historian Anthony Beevor was reportedly told by a leading Freemason in 1991 that all thirteen members of the Army Management Board were Masons. The Board comprises a mix of politicians and top Army officers. It exercises authority over all forms of appointments, ranking, and promotion in the British Army.<br><br> The Hutton Inquiry formally received into evidence information about a police action called “Operation Mason.” This was the name assigned by the Thames Valley Police<br><br> (TVP) to a project described on a listing as: “TVP Tactical Support Major Incident Policy Book.” The interesting aspect to this document is the time noted for commencement of police activity, namely 1430 (2:30 p.m.) on July 17, 2003, the date of Dr. Kelly’s disappearance. This appears to be one hour before Dr. Kelly reportedly left his house for his daily afternoon walk. The record closes at 930 (9:30 a.m.) on July 18, 2003, close to the time when Dr. Kelly’s body was discovered in the woods. The actual contents of this “policy book” have not been made public.<br><br> Links between American and British intelligence services and church groups have been investigated by journalists Anton Chaitkin and the late Jim Keith. Mr. Keith documented the Naval Intelligence background of Jim Jones prior to the Jonestown tragedy in Guyana, which has been called a CIA mind-control program ‘gone wrong’. Mr. Chaitkin has explored the infiltration of the Pentecostal Movement in America and South Africa by British intelligence, going back to the beginning of the 20th century. Christian apologists Tim and Barbara Aho have researched the Christian affiliations of death squad groups in Central America and have identified intelligence operatives involved in these covert operations going back over 30 years.<br><br> It has been conjectured that the reason for this activity in Latin America was to enable U.S., British, and Israeli intelligence agencies to study and then fine-tune techniques for effective national destabilization work, using new religious movements particularly of the “signs and wonders” type.<br><br> Widely publicized in the 1980’s, for example, were the massacres in Guatemala of thousands of indigenous civilians of Mayan ancestry. During the previous decade a protracted civil war had been funded by the CIA and the United Fruit Company. A successful military coup in 1982 installed Gen. Efrain Rios Montt as President. Montt was an early Christian convert when the Church of the Word (“El Verbo”) was planted in Guatemala by California missionaries of an organization which became known as Gospel Outreach, who came to supply humanitarian aid to the country following the devastating 1976 earthquake.<br><br> Montt directed a Leadership Training School of 1,000 members as an elder in Verbo Ministries. Upon his taking power, he was supported throughout the 1980’s by Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, and Loren Cunningham of Youth With A Mission.<br><br> In June 1982, Amnesty International issued a report entitled: “Massive Extrajudicial Execution in Rural Areas Under the Government of General Efrain Rios Montt,” detailing a “partial listing of massacres,” totalling more than sixty. More than a thousand Mayan communities were abandoned or destroyed, and it is estimated that tens of thousands died in brutal genocidal sweeps conducted by Montt’s army. According to the Covert Action Bulletin, the State of Israel provided substantial financial aid to Guatemala between 1977 and 1986, and Israeli intelligence recruited members to assist agents in espionage and torture from Gen. Montt’s Verbo Church, which had grown to represent 250 congregations across the countryside.<br><br> The most well-known contemporary proponent of both “church growth” and the “Third Wave Wovement,” now embraced by evangelicals and charismatics alike as a genuine visitation of the Holy Spirit in the modern age, is C. Peter Wagner, a former friend and colleague of the late John Wimber at California’s Fuller Theological Seminary.<br><br> What is not widely known is Wagner’s extensive missionary background in Bolivia from 1954 to 1970. A CIABASE report on Bolivia states: “Between October 1966-68 Amnesty International reported between 3,000 and 8,000 people killed by death squads.” Bolivia was also used as a resettlement location for Southeast Asian refugees who fought for the CIA before and during the Viet Nam War.<br> A blueprint for American policy in Latin America was published in 1980 by the Council for Inter-American Security (CIS), originally titled: “Inter-American Relations, Shield of the New Order and Sword of the U.S. Ascent to World Power.” This paper, which became known as the “Santa Fe Document” was analyzed by Burn Fouchereau in his book “The Sect Mafia,” in which he stated that the report set forth plans to create religious sects on a worldwide scale, with a mission to corrupt the collective conscience of Christians to willingly accept a free market agenda for the financial advantage of global corporations. According to this strategy, evangelical organizations such as Rios Montt’s Church of the Word would be used as fronts for the CIA to “take charge of the initiative of ideological struggle” through religious phenomena, i.e. psychological warfare operations for inculcating the desired ideology, and that Christian groups resisting this influence would be neutralized through ‘divide and conquer’ programs. “The experience acquired in Viet Nam, thanks to the work done in population control, was exported to Latin America, and particularly to Guatemala, by numerous agents of A.I.D., and of other U.S. services. Certain sects were created by psychological warfare specialists and entrusted with control of the political forum and control of conscience.”<br><br> Pastor John Arnott of the Toronto Airport Church has revealed that it was a visit to Argentina in late 1993, to visit Claudio Freidzon, pastor of King of Kings Church in a suburb of Buenos Aires, which refreshed him spiritually and brought his ministry into new level of anointing. This, he claims, led directly to the “Toronto Blessing” phenomena which began in January 1994. At the time, Arnott was affiliated with John Wimber and the Vineyard Church in California. The Argentine sect, the Divine Universal Church, has been identified by Professor J. Garcia-Ruiz of the Department of Ethnology and Anthropology at the University of Paris as another beneficiary of the largesse of Pat Robertson, as well as having received funds from the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, and from Worldvision.<br><br> The murderous upheaval in Northern Ireland which took place in the 1970’s occurred simultanously with the havoc wrought in Central America. It is to be hoped that other researchers will have success in probing intelligence links to Christian figures either on the Protestant or Catholic side of the conflict. It should be born in mind that members of the priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church would be highly susceptible targets of blackmail in situations where pedophile activity had been detected. This sort of blackmail is widely used to recruit undercover staff for clandestine operations.<br><br> Infiltration of churches and parachurch organizations goes back at least as far as World War II. According to the “Torbitt document” (by William Torbitt, pseud., in discussing the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy), it is stated that J. Edgar Hoover’s friend and agent, Carl McIntire, a Fundamentalist pastor from Collingwood, New Jersey, organized an espionage and intelligence unit under the cover name “American Council of Christian Churches” (ACCC), which placed operatives posing as ministers and missionaries throughout the United States and most Latin American countries. Albert Osborne, alias John Howard Bowen, alias J. H. Owen, under the personal direction of J. Edgar Hoover from 1943 to 1964, described himself as an itinerant preacher, member of the First Baptist Church of Laredo, Texas, and missionary for ACCC, while supervising a team of highly trained professional marksmen based in Mexico and used by espionage agencies of the U.S. and other countries all over the world for political assassinations. During those years Mr. Osborne was believed to operate a charitable school for 25 to 30 boys in Pueblo, Mexico.<br><br> As American Secretary for the Foreign Relations Department of the ACCC, noted Christian author and teacher Dr. Francis Schaeffer took several European trips during the war years 1942-45, and then moved with his family to Switzerland in 1948. Schaeffer founded a Christian resource and retreat center named L’Abri outside of Lausanne in 1955, which attracted visitors from all over the world, reaching its peak of popularity in the volatile 1960’s and 1970’s.<br><br> The British connection to efforts to develop an ersatz spiritual base for the growing manipulation of societies goes back to the work of Col. Sir Vivian Gabriel, a British Air Commission attache in Washington during World War II, who established a group called<br> International Christian Leadership. In the 1960’s, the president of International Christian Leadership’s British branch was Ernest Williams, who was both a member of the directing staff of the British Admiralty and a member of the Archbishop of Canterbury’s Commission on Evangelism. He worked closely with Harald Bredesen, a British intelligence operative who went on to personally mentor Pat Robertson in the United States.<br><br> In 1978 an important global meeting at Canterbury was held under Queen Elizabeth’s Archbishop Donald Coggan, for the purpose of launching a crusade to spread the practice of Charismatic “Gifts of the Spirit” around the world under the guidance of the Anglican Church. Leading a group of American Charismatics who attended the meeting was Gen. Ralph E. Haines, Jr., the former vice chief of staff of the U.S. Army 1967-8. Haines had been in charge of a counterinsurgency military takeover program called “Operation Garden Plot,” prepared in the event black ghetto riots and anti-war demonstrations required the implementation of martial law in America. No longer on active duty, Gen. Haines had been in close association with Harald Bredesen since 1971.<br><br> Another British group active in Charismatic fellowships, particularly in African war zones, is Christian Solidarity International (CSI), headed by Baroness Caroline Cox, whose reports from the Sudan have led many in the American government to contemplate military action in that country.<br><br> When faulty intelligence regarding chemical ‘weapons of mass destruction’ prompted President Clinton to bomb a Sudanese aspirin factory a few years ago, the embarrassing mistake only mildly dampened the enthusiasm of the clique supporting such a venture. Profiled in the Pentecostal U.S. magazine “Charisma” in August 1997, Baroness Cox said that she and many CSI board members enjoy “the sort of robust and very expressive forms of worship” at the “charismatic end of the church spectrum.”<br><br> It may be significant that John Wimber of the Vineyard, a group whose name became synonymous with very expressive forms of worship, held the first meeting of the small church where he first assumed the position of pastor in a rented Masonic hall. An original member of his congregation has recalled that he told the people repeatedly that he was interested in their activities as “an experiment”. By 1980, at a historic Mother’s Day service in Anaheim, California, Wimber’s brand of ‘power evangelism’ was characterized by uncontrollable shaking, people collapsing in the aisles, and “drunkenness in the Spirit”. Many years later the Holy Laughter Movement was popularized by evangelist Rodney Howard-Browne, known as “God’s Bartender.”<br><br> It may also be significant that a Vineyard Church, located in an upscale mall near Columbine High School, allegedly had a very active outreach to youth in the area, prior to the tragic shootings on campus which garnered worldwide attention. Researchers have faced a tangled assortment of eyewitness accounts plainly irreconciliable with official findings. The term “cover-up” was used recently in a meeting held for parents of the deceased teens, which presented masses of previously withheld evidence.<br><br> The missing link in this far-reaching story is the scientific data which would explain what forms of hypnotism and suggestion have been utilized in all these events, and surely such effects could have been enhanced in recent years by remote electrical stimulation of the brain, as well as by designer drugs distributed by intelligence agencies since the 1960’s, both for human experimentation and for financial gain. Counterfeit expressions of Christian worship and joy can fool many, as the high ratings of televangelists prove. But this is now the stuff of deliberate social engineering, turning human beings into guinea pigs whose lives are cheap.<br><br> Those of us in non-compromised Christian work have weathered criticism for many years regarding the paradox between Christian love, as displayed in the New Testament, and centuries of bloodshed down to modern times, with countless crimes against humanity<br> committed in the name of God. But many realize today that the source of the ongoing carnage has always been in the political arena, using religion as a shield, or a scapegoat.<br><br> Most recently, investigations into the history of violence in Northern Ireland have revealed instances of covert operations undertaken by British intelligence, for which both Protestant and Catholic factions have taken the blame. And yet the terrible killings in Northern Ireland have been used over and over again to attempt to deny any legitimate value to Christian faith and practice Perhaps this was regarded by the perpetrators as a desirable plus.<br><br> On Sunday, Lord Brian Hutton will likely be found sitting in church at Holy Trinity Brompton. It is to be remembered with what poignant solemnity he began the Hutton Inquiry by calling for a respectful minute of silence, in memory of the dead Dr. David Kelly. However, better Lord Hutton had remained silent, than to have committed himself publicly in releasing a final report which bears so little resemblance to the true circumstances of Dr. Kelly’s final moments of life on this earth.<br><br> “And there shall be, like people, like priest…” (Hosea 4:9).<br><br> Given his background as an advocate for mental health, civil rights, and law and order, Lord Hutton is probably regarded by his fellow parishioners as a credit to Holy Trinity Brompton and their renowned pastor, The Rev. Nicky Gumbel. And both Vineyard and Toronto Blessing groups have made several trips over the past decade to Lord Hutton’s native Ulster, with the stated goal of seeking peace and bringing Christian Renewal to Northern Ireland.<br><br> We do not know how effective those ministry teams have been, nor what they were really sent to achieve. But we can speculate that the overall end result of the many efforts to extend covert political control, using ‘religious experiences’ as a tool and a mask, will ultimately fulfill the words of the Apostle Paul, who spoke of “the unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they shall believe a lie” (2nd Thess. 2:10-11).<br><br> The time is coming, I believe, when each one of us will inevitably come to the place where we will have to search our consciences, to answer two questions posed long ago in the Gospels, where Jesus asked:<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> “Shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him?... Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:17-1<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sources:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> Jim Keith, “Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness” (IllumiNet Press, 1999)<br><br><br> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1997/ahc.html"> “British Subversion of America: The Militias and Pentecostalism” by Anton Chaitkin</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://watch.pair.com/antipas.html#fruit">“Fruit of the Jesus Revolution"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <br> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.parascope.com/articles/1196/torbitt.htm">“Nomenclature of An Assassination Cabal” by William Torbitt (pseud.)</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <br> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/operation_mason.html">Material by Jim Carrey</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> Results of Google Searches, Lord Brian Hutton<br><br> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.churchnewspaper.com/index.php?go=eos&read=on&number_key=5702&title=The%20faith%20that%20helped%20Hutton">link 1</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/features/story.jsp?story=479795">link 2</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Lord Hutton's Famous Church

Postby mother » Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:20 am

This article is definitely along my line of obsrvation. Especially interesting is the mental health angle...I live in an area which appears to be teeming with 3rd generation disciples of this novel form of worship. I can't relate to it at all, compared to the solomn dignity of a High Mass in Latin. Among other things, I find the barking and rumbling around on the floor and howling embarrassing. Maybe the emotional release is what is what is appealing? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lord Hutton's Famous Church

Postby antiaristo » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:45 pm

Blair's eldest son Euan attended the Brompton Oratory. <p></p><i></i>
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Anton Chaitkin's article

Postby mother » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:32 pm

I'd posted before reading links; Chaitkin's point of view is sympathetic to what I have personally observed. So what's all the big problem with L. LaRouche? Why is the mention of his name politically incorrect? My Dad, Lifetime Lefty, does not get upset about LaRouch, and he is generally a sound, extremely well-educated source of left-wing history and so forth....I'll go read more about this interesting topic. Wonder how old Euan is coming along in life, eh, anti? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Anton Chaitkin's article

Postby antiaristo » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:46 pm

mother,<br><br>DON'T MENTION LAROUCHE.<br><br>Dreams End has a studio of wallpaper he will throw at you to disrupt any thread. It's how he gets his rocks off.<br><br>Euan has just begun a spell as an intern on Capitol Hill.<br>Learning how the REAL professionals screw democracy. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby blanc » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:51 pm

live anywhere near cambridge? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: question

Postby havanagila » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:17 pm

I remember a Bahai connection to this Kelley ? or am I confusing it with another dead man from the Iraq scam in england. there was deffinitely a dead guy who before he died mysteriously converted to <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">Bahaism</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> following a connection with an American scientist of Iranian/iraqi descent. sounds familiar ? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: question

Postby antiaristo » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:32 pm

havanagila,<br>Yes, you are correct.<br>The person who led him to convert was called something like Maj Peterson.<br>There has been much speculation about this individual, but it seems clear she was an intelligence agent.<br>The most plausible claim I have seen is that she was feeding Kelly false information so as to lead him to conclude that the fabled WMD did indeed exist. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby mother » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:12 am

No, I live nowhere near Caimbridge, but it would be nice! I'm in Richmond, VA, but will soon be moving to a more interesting spot, though not as fabulous as Caimbridge. <p></p><i></i>
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A Little “Identity” Crisis

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<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/identity.htm">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A Little “Identity” Crisis ~ British Israelism</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/fatherparham.htm">Charles Parham </a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->repeatedly taught many sermons including, “Anglo-Israel— Where are the lost tribes and the scepter of David.” 43 which <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/parham.htm">Frank Sandford</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, as well as Parham's close friend and mentor, J.H. Allen also taught. J.H.Allen records he met Parham “when he was a young preacher and unmarried”—i.e. before Dec. 31, 1891—“ He then being pastor of the Methodist Episcopal Church at Eudora, Kan. [started there at 19] at which time I was holding the Blue Mound Holiness Camp Meeting.” Parham and his group attended Allen’s meeting where Allen had announced previously that he, “…would preach on our Anglo-Saxon identity with the house of Joseph of "the ten lost tribes of Israel." 44<br><br> J.H. Allen wrote the book “Judah’s Sceptre and Joseph’s Birthright” which is the exact same source of theology for Herbert W. Armstrongs teachings on Anglo/British Israelism, which is described clearly on the World Wide Church of God (WWCG) website:<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>[Armstrong]…believed Anglo-Israelism -- the doctrine that the Anglo-Saxons of the United States and Britain were the true descendants of the House of Israel, while the Jews descended from Israel's other division, the House of Judah -- provided the key to understanding the prophets. He concluded that instead of applying the House of Israel prophecies to the Jews, one should apply them to the United States and what was then called the British Commonwealth…” 45 </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Allen, like Sandford, taught that the White Race was God’s choice to work his purpose; that Race was the basis of choice between Esau and Jacob; Ephraim and Mannaseh and the whole teaching of the lost ten tribes, and other Anglo/British Israelite fallacy. His book also presented the idea that the British royalty were of the Davidic line. 46<br><br>The President of Plain Truth Ministries, Worldwide Church of God is Dr. Joseph Tkach. In 1986, his father had been named successor to Herbert W. Armstrong and he followed. His decision to reform the WWCG resulted in a three way denominational split. The Philadelphia Church of God (which upholds British Israelism, etc.); the Global Church of God, and the United Church of God, which all uphold various Armstrong doctrines. Ted Armstrong, who left the WWCG in 1978, is head of the International Church of God. Tkach believes, that in spite of errors, H. Armstrong had a high view of Scriptures. In 1988, they "abandoned, the teaching of British Israelism and now have racial reconciliation meetings." 47. <br><br>The ACCC Report records that Tkach and the WWCG hosted a breakfast at the National Religious Broadcasters 54th Convention (1997) and was voted to receive full membership at the National Association of Evangelicals 55th Convention in 1997. Jack Hayford of Church of the Way (Foursquare) and Dr. Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary urged the NAE to receive the WWCG as full members. 48.<br><br>For those not familiar, The ACCC Report, referenced above, is a Publication of The American Council of Christian Churches (ACCC) and was supposedly set up to counter the ecumenical World Council of Churches. Dr. Ralph Colas, their Exec. Secretary, is an associate of Sarah and Lynn Leslie of the Christian Conscience. For more on the ACCC Please see (See: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/acccmeet.htm">ACCC meet</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->)<br><br>Some suggest that the source of British Israelism lies with a man named Richard Brothers who believed he was the ‘nephew of the Almighty, descendent of David and ruler of the world.” 54 Brothers was actually a disciple of Joanna Southcott, who believed, being still a virgin at 65, she was the “Mother of the Messiah.” The 'mantle' was passed to Richard and successively to six other “angels.” Joanna died in 1814, “leaving an estimated following of 150,000 including bishops of the Church of England, nobility and men of wealth.” 55 <br><br> Southcott’s “… first prophecy came in 1792, when she announced to a bible class that she was to be "the Lamb's wife." She straight away had a fit and had to be carried from the class…Joanna's big break occurred in January of 1802, when she met a wealthy engraver from West London named William Sharp, who subsequently became one of her disciples. Prior to her death Joanna Southcott had prepared a sealed box supposedly containing the secret of world peace and her predictions for the following centuries. She left special instructions that the box was only to be opened in a time of national crisis and then only in the presence of 24 bishops (or elders) of the Church of England. In 1927 the box was sent to the National Laboratory of Psychical Research…” 56.<br><br>Brothers supposedly “authored the "British Israel" movement that taught that the scattered and lost 10 families of Israel had journeyed northward, and through migrations had settled in northwestern Europe and particularly the United Kingdom.” 57 <br><br>However the facts go much deeper, with a connection to the Druids. Professor Stuart Piggot writes in ‘The Druids” of the influence of Rowland Jones who saw <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/embracnokab.htm">Cabalistic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> teaching in the words and syllables of the Druids. Professor Piggot states, “of Rowland Jones, it has been written”: <br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“…through his influence on…William Owen Pughe… he helped to pollute the stream of Welsh scholarship throughout the nineteenth century…The Druids in their latter days begin to move away from scholarship, however eccentric, and offer themselves as symbols within a non-rational universe…Pughe was one of the Twenty-four Elders appointed by Joanna Southcott, the religious maniac, together with the engraver William Sharp, who had previously been a follower of Richard Brothers…Both Sharp and Pughe were friends of William Blake, and Robert Southey wrote of Pughe, ‘Poor Owen found everything he wished to find in the Bardic system, and there he found Blake’s notions, and thus Blake and his wife were persuaded that his dreams were old patriarchal truths, long forgotten and now re-revealed.” 58<br><br> “…’the antiquities of every Nation under Heaven’, Blake was to write, ‘is no less sacred than that of the Jews. They are the same thing, as Jacob Bryant and all the antiquaries have proved. ‘ Though the Druids change their character as Blake’s own vision changed during the writings of the Prophetic Books between 1797 and 1804, they have their apotheosis in the context of his revolutionary discovery that Britain was the original Holy Land, and Jerusalem not so far from Primrose Hill…"<br><br> "The Druids are the priests, lawgivers, philosophers and mathematicians of Urizen, but by Jerusalem, “All things Begin & End in Albion’s Ancient Druid Rocky Shore”…’Was Britain the Primitive Seat of Patriarchal Religion?’ Blake asked, and straightway gave his answer: Patriarchal Druids originated in Britain and spread their doctrine far and wide, even to the oak-groves on the Plain of Mamre. ‘Your Ancestors,’ he told his readers, ‘derived their origin from Abraham, Heber, Shem and Noah, who were Druids, as the Druid Temples (which are Patriarchal Pillars and Oak Groves) over the whole Earth to witness to this day.’ And in a single phrase Blake takes us, and the Druids, back to a familiar landscape. ‘The Nature of my Work, ‘ he wrote, ‘is Visionary or Imaginative; it is an endeavour to Restore what the Ancients call’d the Golden Age.’” 59. </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>The history of the Druids provides some of the more notable names involved in the movement, along with some of it’s more aberrant factions and teachings.<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> “…1781, a 'secret society', The Order of the Ancient Druids, had been set up in London by Henry Hurle...on Garlick Hill in the city, on lines doubtless inspired by Freemasonry...In 1833 the Order split…majority became ‘The United Ancient Order of the Druids.’ This, with ...numerous daughter Orders, flourishes as a Friendly Society, but the rump of the 1833 split also contained its original mystic lines...Albion Lodge of the Ancient Order of Druids of Oxford (190<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> it accepted as an initiate the young <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Winston Churchill</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> at a ceremony in Blenheim Park.... Henry Hurles original Order…The British Circle of the Universal Bond---split and formed The Order of the Bards, Ovates and Druids in 1963—meet on Tower Hill in London. 1717 members of Druids include John Toland, William Stukeley, Lord Winchilsea and William Blake. Chief druid from 1909 to 1946 --George Watson Macgregor Reid, friend of Bernard Shaw..." 60.<br><br> “A man named Owen Morgan or Morien around the 1920's in England managed to reconcile his pious Welsh Calvinistic Methodism with Druidism even though it meant equating Taliesin with Jesus Christ.--his writings such things as Phallic worship to the Holy Greal, by way of Druidic Mysteries.” 61.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.r.htm#robertson">Pat Robertson</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> (CNP) writes that his family's aristocratic lineage links to the British Churchill family. Another source states that British Israelism was a matter of Spiritual and Political provocation. The purpose was to deceive the Jews into an alliance with Britain.<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> “…John Dee, the son of one of Henry VIII's court officials, grew up surrounded by this controversy and the mystical currents concerning the notion of British Empire. The latter involved a spiritual as well as a geopolitical aspect: the British were to inherit the earth, and in the process foster the spread of True Christianity. That is, not Catholicism… According to Geoffrey of Monmouth, the kings of Britain were descended from Brut, of Trojan origin. King Arthur, one of Brut's descendants, was considered the chief exemplar of sacred British Imperial Christianity. John Dee identified with this Arthurian notion of Empire, as he believed himself to be descended from the ancient kings of Britain, and was thus himself a distant cousin of the Tudor Queen Elisabeth I.”<br><br>“Another line of thought led to the doctrine of British-Israelism, which held that the British were the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. The doctrine of British-Israelism and the Lost Ten Tribes was intended to forge a political alliance between the British monarchy and the Jews of Amsterdam, through a merger of the Arthurian Imperial tradition with Cabalistic interpretations of the Hebrew scriptures….<br><br>“To forge ties between Jewish merchants and British Imperialists, John Dee created the concept of British-Israel, which gave the British and the Jews a common racial identity, and invoked biblical prophecy to show the inevitable triumph of British Imperialism: the British, as Abraham's seed, were to inherit the earth. Dee also introduced the Jewish Cabala to the British ruling class and its interlocking network of European royal dynasties. All this set the stage for the later absorption of European Jewish merchants and bankers into British society…In essence, the dissemination of the British-Israel doctrine was an intelligence coup carried out by the British Monarchy.” 62.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>It is from this thinking, which correlates with J.H. Allen’s writings, comes the propagation of the idea that the British Crown is of the Davidic Line. Hence, those who are spreading that idea are also disseminating British Israelism, deliberately or not. <br><br>A telephone conversation April 7, to John Hagee Ministries revealed that, while having been charismatic, they now refer to themselves as "Info-Revival". Their church has been organized with a governmental leadership of 12 and the congregation is divided into twelve tribes. They now teach that the "Chosen people" are Israelites and all Christians must be Israelites, therefore each must become part of one of the Israeli tribes. According to the Hagee Ministry representative, those failing to adhere to one of the 12 tribes gets prayed over until they desire to belong. They do not consider themselves to be a Messianic congregation.<br><br> <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Next Section: </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/britisrael.htm">The British Israel /Christian Identity Connection</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Previous Section:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/rhodes.htm">The Cecil Rhodes Connection</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 2/22/06 2:22 pm<br></i>
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Re: A Little “Identity” Crisis

Postby Byrne » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:25 am

<br>havanagila, anti,<br><br>There is some info I posted in the datadump section <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=48.topic" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br>on Mai Pederson.<br><br>Look for the last post - Tales from the Riverbank<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: byrne, i was only interested in the religious conversion

Postby havanagila » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:51 am

I thought it was important, not only in this case, but as part of "MC-lite" practices. Namely, i sometime get the impression that since the days of full scale MC programming of people from childhood, there is a recent offshoot, sort of "short term" functional MCing of people in key positions, inlcuding maybe politicians. I dno't know how, but these cases, corroborate the speculation. We have sex, religious programming, controlled environment, and a dubious death. The suicide could have been a program, or slightly assisted progamming to commit suicide (it would still be murder but then pathology would not be too revealing unless they found a chip in his tooth<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ). Somehow Bahai religion makes me feel uneasy, like an artificially engineered religion, don't know how to explain it. There is a large Bahai center/shrine in Israel, which has one of the most beautiful gardens in the country. (pardon all the Bahai believers on the board, this might be totally off and insulting, but I am just sharing sensations, and I do that equally with all religions including mine). <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A Little “Identity” Crisis

Postby antiaristo » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:16 am

1tal,<br>Brilliant post!<br>It's all there isn't it?<br>The key to the worldwide conspiracy lies in the Order of the Garter. The interlocking European royals (Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands, Denmark, Spain, Belgium, Luxembourg and of course the Untied Kingdom).<br><br>A few comments.<br><br>1 Charles Windsor, like his mother, is a Druid.<br>2 His third name is Arthur. He intends to become King Arthur(!)<br>3 The last Pope frequently refered to Jews as "our elder brothers in the faith".<br><br>Byrne,<br>Thank you.<br><br><br>I wrote three letters at the time of the Hutton Inquiry. I had assumed that anyone interested would have read them, but now I'm not so sure. Here's the most detailed.<br><br><br>                                                <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>        C/ Eusebio Navarro, 12<br>                                                        35003 Las Palmas de Gran<br>Andrew Gilligan Esq.                                        Spain                        Canaria<br>Correos certificado        59555ES                        4 August 2003 <br><br>Dear Mr Gilligan,<br><br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">Brian Hutton’s Phoney Circus</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><br>The Hutton Inquiry puts me most in mind of the court order forged by Judge John Baker. It has all the trappings of the real thing. The stern looking establishment judge; the intimidating surroundings of the Royal Courts of Justice; all the lawyers (the front three rows, according to the Telegraph). There is just one minor flaw. The judge “has no power to swear witnesses”. There was a minor flaw in the Baker forgery, too. “The order was actually made by His Honour Judge John Baker and not Sir John Baker.” Though it had all of the trappings.<br><br>Let’s just stand back from this for a moment and look at the events that led up to the establishment of the Hutton Inquiry.<br><br>June 11        Blair and Chirac dine together in Paris<br>June 12        Blair announces massive shake-up in legal system. Irvine is fired and the position of Lord Chancellor abolished. Lord “Charlie” Falconer is appointed Secretary of State in the brand new Department of Constitutional Affairs<br>June 16        Lord “Charlie” dons the Lord Chancellor’s tights. He’s the last Lord Chancellor (honest!).<br>June 18        John Cleary writes to Lord “Charlie” to introduce himself.<br>June 27        Campbell storms the Channel 4 News Centre and demands to be interviewed live on air. Winks at Jon Snow when finished and off air.<br>June 30        Dr Kelly writes to his line superior at the Ministry of Defence. Confesses to meeting Gilligan, but not to the whole truth of what passed between them.<br>July 6        Joseph Wilson writes op-ed piece for New York Times. Uranium from Niger scandal finally breaks.<br>July 10        The Kelly gambit is implemented. The poor man is put on public display in order to undermine Gilligan and the BBC and to restore Campbell’s “integrity”.<br>July 18        Dr Kelly found dead<br>July 19        Blair, under intense pressure in the Far East, announces a full judicial inquiry into the circumstances surrounding Kelly’s death. Promises to “give evidence personally”. Hides behind sub judice excuse.<br>July 19        Tony’s best mate Lord “Charlie” appoints Lord Hutton and sets the terms of reference.<br><br>Outcome: the inquiry won’t be fully public; the inquiry won’t be televised; the inquiry won’t swear witnesses (whither “sub judice”?). After what they have put Gilligan and Kelly through, they treat themselves with kid gloves (white kid gloves, of course). This looks like a classic bait-and-switch to me.<br><br>Does all this Blair/”Charlie”/Hutton/Blair mutual back scratching remind you of anything? It reminds me of the restraining order issued by John Rogers QC (sitting as a deputy High Court judge) against John Cleary <br>on 20 January 1995. A favour for his best mate Philip Shepherd QC. <br>“You give me Court Orders on my dodgy cases, and I’ll do the same for you.” (See Cleary to Reno handwritten version, 29 May 2000).<br><br>And guess what? Lord “Charlie” is a Queens Counsel. Lord Hutton is a Queens Counsel. Blair had to leave the profession before his thirtieth birthday, but never mind. He is married to a Queens Counsel. Any other Queens Counsel involved? Well, there is Geoff Hoon QC, and Jack Straw QC, and Donald Anderson QC. Then there is the QC acting for the BBC; there is the QC acting for Mrs Kelly; and the QC from the Treasury Solicitor acting for the government. That’s a grand total of eight-and-a-half Queens Counsel if you count Blair as one half. Anyone for a half round of golf?<br><br>Before I go any further, let me declare an interest. Based on my personal experiences I don’t like lawyers. I like barristers less than solicitors. I like Queens Counsel not at all, for they epitomise the class system that lets lesser men cheat and win out over their betters. To quote myself to Lord Mackay of Clashfern on 18 April 1995, when referring to the John Rogers QC restraining order.<br><br>“To which person of flesh and blood was the gag granted? The answer is to no one. The Royal Courts of Justice granted a denial of the most fundamental rights of self defence and free speech against a subject of Her Majesty and a citizen of the European Union to nothing more than a ghost. Will you defend that decision in Strasbourg or The Hague?<br>Who was the man who granted the gag? It was Mr John Rogers QC (sitting as a deputy High Court Judge). And the gag was in part to prevent the truth about the criminal acts perpetrated by Mr Philip Shepherd QC coming to the light of day!<br>Just imagine. In a parallel universe somewhere out there sits Mr Shepherd Philips QC (sitting as a deputy High Court Judge) hearing Mr Roger Johns QC on behalf of another bunch of gangsters in pursuit of secrecy for their evil practices. And getting it.<br><br>This QC lark is too good to be true. There is the same total discretion as available to a judge, absolute control on what is recorded, the same immunity from comeback, no PACE and, if you will forgive the pun, no judges rules. No wonder it is so popular amongst you chaps.”<br><br>Now the fact of the matter is that there is no real reason at all for all this legal flim-flam and sandbagging. The fact of the matter is that Lord “Charlie” has decided that the presiding judge should have no power to swear witnesses, so this is NOT repeat NOT a legal process. It is yet more theatre for the plebs, or, if you prefer the Roman analogy, Brian Hutton’s Phoney Circus. A circus designed to take the plebs’ attention away from the fact that a single woman secured the mobilisation of Britain’s defences in order to pay off a private debt. (Flyingdales, anyone?)<br><br>Take a good look at all those Queens Counsel snouts in the trough of the people’s purse and ask yourself- “to whom do these people owe their loyalty?” It’s in the name, Queens Counsel. Their loyalty is to that same Regina that mobilised Britain’s defences on the basis of fabricated intelligence. They have the power to put you and me in prison on a whim, and they are hardly going to bite the hand that gives them such power.<br><br>Don’t just take my word for it; look around you at what is going on in the real world. The whole rotten system is collapsing around her ears. The Queens Counsel abomination is to be abolished after more than four hundred years. The Lord Chancellor was abolished after 1400 years, and then re-instated after four days (the last one – honest!). A new Supreme Court is to be created outside of the Lords. The lords itself is to create a new post of President of the Chamber (appointed, surely, like all the members?). A new Department of Constitutional Affairs has been created to house the cabinet justice portfolio. And to top it all off, they won’t let poor old Woolfie, who is over seventy, retire from Lord Chief Justice! They are in a terrible mess, and quite frankly it serves them right.<br><br>It serves them right because they are being forced to make these changes, and I’ll tell you how. One of the blessings attendant on graduate status from the Harvard Business School is a directory of fellow graduates. I have a listing of all HBS graduates who live and work in Europe. It’s quite impressive and over an inch thick. From that directory I have selected at random a large number – between seventy and one hundred – that are not known personally by me. From all over Continental Europe, native Europeans with a business degree, significant experience in the real world of commerce, and absolutely flawless English. For more than three years I have been sending my material to these people. They do not know me, but they know I am a graduate from HBS, and so not completely stupid. They know my own name has been “disappeared” from that same directory since 1996. They also know I am committed and persistent and that I believe wholeheartedly in what I am doing. So over time some of them have begun to read what I’ve written. Some of them have begun to think about what I’ve written. Some of them have begun to ask questions that the British are unable to answer. These people are coming to understand the true nature of the judicial dictatorship that is the United Kingdom and, not unnaturally, are asking what it might mean for them. They are starting to draw the inescapable conclusion that it does not make sense to put their money into a jurisdiction that cannot be trusted. The position of the City of London is at risk. And that is the ONLY reason that she is making these cosmetic adjustments to the abomination within which you are trapped. The “smoking gun” is the Blair/Chirac dinner followed immediately by the Irvine/Falconer fallout.<br><br>So if you believe that bunch of clowns known collectively as Queens Counsel are in any way interested in the truth of what happened to the late Dr David Kelly, I have a very nice bridge across the Thames I’d like to sell you. They are there at public expense to defend the Windsor interest. And there are eight-and-a-half of them because the Windsor interest lies in not being indicted for the war crimes they have committed. The purpose of the Hutton Inquiry is to launder the British Establishment. Mr Blair knows it. Mr Mandelson knows it.<br><br>For what it’s worth, I’ll give you some advice. Go along willingly with whatever your bosses at the BBC decide, but make sure that any promises made are committed to writing and notarised. Your bargaining power lies in the known fact that the Blair machine has targeted you personally and destroyed your career. The Blair dossier carrying your name and the “Star Chamber” transcript prove that. You have an extremely good case to put before the European Court of Human Rights, but she will kill you before you get there. So cut the best deal that you can with the BBC and get it all in writing before the show begins. Oh! And if you can, get an Irish passport. We’re citizens, not subjects.<br>Yours sincerely,<br><br>John Cleary BSc MA MBA<br><br>Cc        Jacques Chirac        Jean-Pierre Raffarin        cert. 75552<br>        Lady Hillary Clinton        Henry Waxman        cert. 75551<br>        Iain Duncan Smith        Charles Kennedy        cert. 75553<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There was another to Andrew Gilligan, and one to Mrs Janice Kelly. I'll post them here if asked. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A Little “Identity” Crisis

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<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'll post them here if asked.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> Post away then, antia....<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Andrew Gilligan

Postby antiaristo » Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:24 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>C/ Eusebio Navarro, 12<br>Andrew Gilligan Esq.                                35003 Las Palmas de Gran<br>Correos certificado                                Spain                        Canaria<br>                                                        21 July 2003 <br>Dear Mr Gilligan,<br><br>Poor David Kelly, he never had a chance.<br>He said he did not want to live in a world like this.<br>I know that feeling. The icy touch when agents of the Windsors come-a-callin’.<br><br>Members of the British Legislature are accomplished thespians, if nothing more. But they have to have a script. They are bound to hold select committee hearings, and put on a show for the public. But they don’t want to talk about either of the two dodgy dossiers. There is just too much incriminating evidence. Enough, in fact, to fill the State of Alberta. They need a diversion. What else can possibly fill weeks of select committee hearings?<br><br>And when they decided on the nature of that diversion, David Kelly was dead. The only reason I am alive (when a similar decision was made about Anglia Television) is that I fled the country and kept on running. David’s daughter is to be wed in September, yet he was unable to see even that far ahead. The poor man was alone and terrified and caught in a double game. And I know all about those dark players.<br><br>Now Mr Blair tells us to await the inquiry.<br>Brian Hutton was Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland when Pat Finucane was murdered. He is widely known to be a Freemason. And his “public inquiry” will be held “largely in public”. All of the Windsor turds will be kept in the black box of State Secrecy. Just like Dunblane.<br><br>I tell you now; the powers of which they know nothing are at work in that country again. The old sadist is getting ready to open her bowels again, and she is going to defecate all over you. If I were you I would be on to the European Court of Human Rights today.<br>Yours sincerely,<br>John Cleary BSc MA MBA<br><br>Cc        Jacques Chirac                Jean-Pierre Raffarin        cert.<br>        Judge Peter Cory        M Luzius Wildhaber        <br>        Lady Hillary Clinton        Henry Waxman                cert.<br>        Iain Duncan Smith        Charles Kennedy                cert.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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