The Religious Experience of Philip K Dick by Robert Crumb

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The Religious Experience of Philip K Dick by Robert Crumb

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:11 am

Eight pages, starting with this intro <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.philipkdickfans.com/weirdo.htm">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br>First page:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/pkdick1.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Fascinating.

Postby DBtv » Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:15 am

Awesome art, love R. Crumb. Incredible story. I'll have to revisit PKD's writings. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Religious Experience of Philip K Dick by Robert Crum

Postby albion » Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:36 am

Thanks for the link, Jeff. I just picked up a copy of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Radio Free Albemuth</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, and am looking forward to it.<br><br>And to everyone, the best blog going on Gnosticism (phildickian or otherwise) is <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.snant.com/fp/index.php">Fantastic Planet</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=albion@rigorousintuition>albion</A> at: 2/16/06 3:23 am<br></i>
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Re: The Religious Experience of Philip K Dick by Robert Crum

Postby Gouda » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:58 am

Dick doth provide more than a few trinkets of relevance to the weirdness studied in this forum:<br><br>1). Dick was got to by Maitreya and his agents? See last page, last panel:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.philipkdickfans.com/weirdo/weirdo8.htm">www.philipkdickfans.com/w...eirdo8.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>So the prophet Elijah enters Dick's world after his "religious experience" with the flaming fish, taking Dick in an altered-state to the <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">middle east</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->, murmuring to him in a feminine voice that "Christ" has returned and is ready to save us from the new roman persecutors; there is also a beheading theme ("I was in a roman dungeon, and they came and cut off my head, took a wire and garroted me..."); and then at his death, he tapped the Maitreya as the likely candidate for the returned Christ. <br><br>2). Re: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Flow my Tears</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> (on my 'to read' list), Dick describes this novel as his remembrance of a horrid police state which once existed, a reality/universe which is running in parallel with with our own sensed reality, ever-threatening to bleed over, take over again. He saw himself as one of the "secret Christians" who helped overthrow that state. <br><br>He discusses all this in a speech delivered at the second Festival International de la Science-Fiction de Metz, France, in September 1977:<br> <br>"If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others" <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_010/dick_world.htm">www.greylodge.org/occultr..._world.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Dick speaks of a Programmer who <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>First and foremost... controls the objects, processes, and events in our space-time world...I have spoken of myself as a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>reprogrammed variable</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, and I have spoken of him as the Programmer and Reprogrammer. During a short period of time in March 1974, at the moment in which I was resynthesized, I was aware perceptually -- which is to say aware in an external way -- of his presence.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>More: <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If I consider the term by which I designate him -- the Programmer and Reprogrammer -- perhaps I can extract from that a partial answer. I call him what I call him because that was what I witnessed him doing: He had previously programmed the lives here but now was altering one or more crucial factors -- this in the service of completing a structure or plan.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> He later links this to the experience of the Brahmin. <br><br>3). The buzzing thing again...have you ever been in a room full of charismatic christians all chanting/speaking in "tongues" together? "Tongues of fire" alight gently above the heads of those so gifted by the holy spirit. It is hypnotic - the collective sound of their voices creates this gentle, rythmic, undulating hummmmm....<br><br>Dick: <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Why has he [The Programmer] cloaked himself as a plurality of unrelated objects and his movements as a plurality of chance processes? All the changes, all the permutations of reality that we see are expressions of the purposeful growing and unfolding of this single entelechy; it is a plant, a flower, an opening rose. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>It is a humming hive of bees.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> It is music, a kind of singing. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 2/16/06 6:01 am<br></i>
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Re: early pkd

Postby jingofever » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:01 pm

I read a story somewhere about Philip Dick as a student in high school. He was taking a physics exam and a voice (I suppose it was an AI voice as in his book VALIS) was giving him the answers. There was no mention as to whether those answers were correct. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: roman empire

Postby thrulookingglass » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:57 pm

I was curious about PKD's recurring claims that the Roman Empire had never ended. Is there historical evidence that someone could site that shows some measure of the Roman Empire staying in power, but hidden? Or do you think it's metaphorical, the US imperial empire being much like that of the Romans? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: roman empire

Postby slimmouse » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:09 pm

<br> Well, Nero fiddled while Rome burned, having set fire to the place himself, and then blaming the innocent, and having a major bloodfest to bolster his ailing popularity.<br><br> Bush ? He did much the same , and then played his guitar.<br><br> I shouldnt wonder the ancenstral links will also be more or less direct.<br><br> Hows that for starters ? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>On edit ; Webster Tarpley offers an excellent comparison of Poppy with Caligula, at the start of his acclaimed "unnoficial Biography of poppy" - Available for free download online. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 2/16/06 3:12 pm<br></i>
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Re: Maitreya ... :(

Postby ivanbo2003 » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:32 am

Everything was "fine" until i came to the Maitreya part.<br>Then,i knew he was NOT talking about the Lord Jesus Christ...<br>Cmon,like God Almighty can't enter when ever He wants,but hide Himself under some alias and living undercover in some 3rd world country?!?<br>Scripture says He will come in a glorious way ,on the clouds of Heaven,not as undercover agent under a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>New Age</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> nickname Maitreya... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Maitreya

Postby albion » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:34 am

The name "Maitreya" is not new. I don't know enough about PKD to say exactly what context he used it in. But the name itself is from Buddhist eschatology, and like many eschatological ideas, its roots are possibly Zoroastrian.<br><br>Wikipedia: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Rael of the Raelians has also decared himself the Maitreya. I think L. Ron Hubbard did too. <br><br>According to Wikipedia's disambiguation page, the Benjamin Creme/Share Internationa Maitreya is different from the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.maitreya.org/">Mission of Maitreya</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. <br><br>The best known Maitreya is probably <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.public.iastate.edu/~paddler/bodhisattva/budlaugh.htm">this fellow</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> (or <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/Maitreya.htm">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->) - who you may know better as an incense burner. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=albion@rigorousintuition>albion</A> at: 2/17/06 3:21 am<br></i>
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Re: Maitreya

Postby Gouda » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:23 pm

Don't forget H.H. Jetsun Gyalwa Jampa , Lama Dorje, the Tulku Budhha Maitreya of the The Church of Shambhala Vajradhara Maitreya Sangha <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tibetanfoundation.org/">www.tibetanfoundation.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Why does he look like a South Park cut and paste? <br><br>Open the site, turn on your computer's sound, wait a sec, and make sure to listen to his spiel (at least some of it, if you can) delivered in a monotone, retentive US accent over background chanting which sounds eerily like the droning in the secret masked ritual scene in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Eyes Wide Shut</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br>***<br><br>On edit: Creme and Share were operating in the 70's so there could have been overlap with Dick, but more likely he was referring to the more historical version of Maitreya. I do not know either. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 2/17/06 9:28 am<br></i>
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Re: Maitreya

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:42 pm

Dick meant Creme's Maitreya, but <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>At his most lucid, Dick could safely hold both the paranoia and the scepticism in his mind simultaneously. Oddly, in Carrere's account, it seems that he was able to do something similar even when at his most crazy. In his last interview, he told a journalist of his latest enthusiasm - Benjamin Creme, a New Age guru - but then, once the tape was turned off, he decided that Creme was all nonsense. In this mode, the contradiction was dangerous, its very existence further evidence of the desperate instability of any world-view.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/Bookshop/300000100205" target="top">newstatesman</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Maitreya

Postby thoughtographer » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:49 pm

Creme is mentioned by name here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.alphane.com/moon/PalmTree/greenfield.htm">www.alphane.com/moon/Palm...nfield.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Phil Dick's V.A.L.I.S. ("Vast Active Living Intelligence System") seemed a suitable point of departure. The phrase value of the complete term VAST ACTIVE LIVING INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM = 515 = I AM LIFE AND THE GIVER OF LIFE OF EVERY STAR, a most suggestive phrase considering that VALIS is supposed to be a kind of god-computer capable of transmitting meaningful, transformative messages to Earth. The acronym VALIS = 41 = HER (repeated many times), but also = WHOLE. In the VALIS story, a magical child is created as a messiah. The child is female. Phil Dick died at age 54 [actually he was 53 - ed.] during the filming of Blade Runner based (very loosely) on his anti-machine novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>In his last year he became a follower of Benjamin Creme</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and maintained that his earlier works of fiction - allegory, really - contained a sort of cipher. The last of his novels published in his lifetime, The Divine Invasion, dealt with this theme from a gnostic religious vantage point. He maintained that the phrase "King Felix" was a cipher for the coming of a New Being, who would deliver humanity from the "black iron prison." KING FELIX = 147 = RESISTANCE.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Of course, it's possible that Greenfield just arrived at that conclusion himself based on speculation.<br><br><br>-- edit --<br><br>I guess Jeff's post just proved that he wasn't speculating. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 2/17/06 9:54 am<br></i>
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Re: Maitreya

Postby Gouda » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:16 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>....but then, once the tape was turned off, he decided that Creme was all nonsense.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I can relate to that - often I'll say or adopt something, or post it, and then change my mind about what I had just said, or espoused. But what I say on or off the record has zero significance. And I am certainly not as versatile as Dick's inner trickster in negotiating parallel universi. I am probably just more confused. Anyway, should Dick's being on or off the record about Creme's Maitreya be of any significance to this thread (or to the world)? <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>on edit: removing annoying punctuation bugs </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 2/17/06 11:21 am<br></i>
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Missing Posts???

Postby Floyd Smoots » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:19 pm

Jeff, on my page load as of right now, all the posts on this thread from 3:09pm to 11:32pm yesterday the 16th, seem to be missing? What's Up?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Missing Posts???

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:42 pm

Well, I haven't deleted any. I haven't been reading the thread closely enough to recognize that any are missing. All I know is I don't see any posts here between those times. <p></p><i></i>
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