The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

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The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby Dreams End » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:58 pm

Well, here's a little light reading for you all.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf">www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>This is a pdf of the full text of Aquino's history of Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan. I'm just beginning to delve into this. It's rather interesting. Aquino became a follower of and eventually supplanted LaVey's COS with his Temple of Set. But he seems to be brutally honest when it comes to describing flaws in LaVey's characters.<br><br>Some little tidbits. One friend and sometimes practitioner was Marcello Truzzi, who cofounded CSICOP, though later got the boot for wanting to include pro-paranormal voices. <br><br>Aquino refers repeatedly to John Fowles' "The Magus" when describing LaVey. I found this interesting because clearly the Magus was the model, or at least an inspiration, for Marion Pettie, leader of the Finders. The story deals with control, manipulation and deception by a rather cultish leader. <br><br>Evidently, the idea that LaVey was a consultant for "Rosemary's Baby" was a fabrication, as was much of his autobiographical reportage. Not so sure about his relationship with Jayne Mansfield. <br><br>Aquino considered LaVey to be a showman, who nevertheless, when it came ritual time, was able to evoke dark forces. <br><br>I don't know if others have read this book, but I'm doing so to get a sense of the connections and social circles in which these folks ran. In fact, I'm looking for specific information but others may find this book of interest. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby thurnandtaxis » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:37 am

DE, if you're researching 20th century Satanic networks here's a pretty decent history that has some interviews with a few main players.Written by an ordained priest of the Church of Satan this book has interviews with LaVey, Kenneth Anger, Boyd Rice and several "Black Metal" rockers.:<br><br>Lucifer Rising : A Book of Sin, Devil Worship and Rock 'n' Roll <br>by Gavin Baddeley<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0859652807/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-5832240-3488129?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books">www.amazon.com/gp/product...55&s=books</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <br><br>from a review at Amazon.com:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The book is divided into three parts:<br><br>1. The History of Satanism, which covers the basic inceptions, superstitiions, & practices of the aristocracies in indulgence, & the revolution of The Black Mass.<br><br>2. Satanism in The 20th Century, which includes historical recollections & occultic ties of The Third Reich, Gerald Gardner {the comical origin of 'wicca', which is about as 'ancient' as the turn of the century, & serial killers Richard Ramirez & David Burkowitz, among others.<br><br>3. The Satanic Millenium, explains the Infernal rise of the internet, diabolical board games, Columbine, Marilyn Manson, the afore-mentioned 'Black Metal Circle', & the future influences of Satanism upon the world.<br><br>Lucifer Rising takes on where Satan Wants You leaves off, & is a must for Satanists to possess --- indeed, it is absolutely a part of Church of Satan history. This book is unprecedented, as it is a record written by a Satanist, someone who knows what we're all about, & thus takes an objective view on the subject, instead of the usual biased & bigoted misrepresentations of xoid Satanophobes. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby Dreams End » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:07 am

Thanks. The CoS book is really turning out to be telling me more about Aquino. <br><br>I'm particularly interested in connections to Michigan, mainly Detroit in 1940-1964 or so. Obviously, the LaVey stuff came after, but it still is helpful, for example a sociologist at Eastern Michigan University who was a member and associate (indeed, LaVey says that at a sociologists convention he was very well received. Curious.)...so I'd be curious about any CoS activity in Cincinnati from 1964 - 1984. Just a shot in the dark there...as surely there are lots of little groups that aren't necessarily part of some hierarchy.<br><br>finding lots I'd love to post but I'm unable to convert the pdf to text for this document. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby Dreams End » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:28 am

According to Aquino, the first "Black Mass" (the Missa Solemnis) was written for LaVey by a former Priest in Detroit named Wayne Forest West. Anyone heard of him?<br><br>He evidently headed the "Babylon Grotto" in Detroit. Had members from Ohio.<br><br>Aquino, meanwhile, founded the "nineveh Grotto" in Louisville. Both in early seventies. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 4/2/06 11:57 pm<br></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby Dreams End » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:26 am

Well, seek and ye shall find...though I can't say I'm too happy about it. Another "Grotto" was formed in Dayton Ohion in 1971. That is not only close to Cincinnati, but also the home of Wright Patterson AFB.<br><br>so here's another question for those of you who know these things. The church of Satan was SO public and so...almost carnival-like, that I've always assumed that when they said they didn't do the sorts of things one might accuse them of, it was true...that darker activities were likely left to less public groups. The "insertion" of Aquino, admitted psyop specialist, into the whole CoS thing and his subsequent founding of the Temple of Set, make me wonder. <br><br>Is there evidence that the ACTUAL Church of Satan was involved in things like RA? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby NewKid » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:28 am

I'm partial to the "Amon Grotto" myself. I don't know, something about Warlock R. Jzamon DeCecco in plate 43 that does it for me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby biaothanatoi » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:39 am

I don't think there is any evidence that card-carrying CoS's have perpetrated RA. <br><br>It's what makes the cries that RA is a "Satanic panic" so ridiculous - public Satanists are very rarely fingered in RA cases. It's usually outwardly-Christian "churchgoers".<br><br>Last year, I posted some online dialogue between two Satanists here, where they talked about how rare it is that people stay Satanists of the le Veyian variety - they are usually affiliated for a few years and then move on.<br><br>One Satanist, who claimed that he'd been round the traps for a while, wrote about the "real" Satanists who don't belong to "official" organisations, who don't post online or have websites, and he described them as people who actually worship Satan and who are "very, very dangerous" or words to that effect. <br><br>So I think you are quite right about the CoS. People who do stuff like RA don't join big showy carnivals - why would they? It's the equivalent of painting a big target on your back. Makes much more sense to show up to church on a Sunday and get involved with your local youth group/day care centre/children's charity. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby havanagilla » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:09 am

true that better disguise is the usual respectable one. But, since this is becoming expected, I am sure some wiseguys are already doing a double-mask. <br>In Israel, the guy whom had been aggressively attacking me over writing on MC/SRA, is calling himself 666, and is precisely using the common sense idea that people who overtly present themselves as "black occultists" are benign. But he IS NOT. (I don't know if he sacrifices cats, but in terms of disinfo and preventing ANY discussion on MC/SRA, he has been VERY instrumental. He organized events such as "witchcraft" etc., and has very good working relations with the gov't (he is a member of various "futurist" thinktanks by gov't institutions, and such like). He is a very clever operative, in the information field. and when attacked, he says, I use 666 not to stand for the devil but in the context of sci-fi, detective stories. So, i would not be surprised if NOW, the rules of disguises have changed and some bad perps WILL join "satanist churches" to camouflage their true, evil, deeds.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby Dreams End » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:29 pm

bio--<br><br>At some point, though, this shifted, at least if witness reports about Aquino's involvement in the Presidio case are to be believed. Here was a case of RA (maybe actually simply MC experiments with some RA trappings?) within a military institution and linked directly to Aquino, head of the Temple of Set, the direct descendent of the Church of Satan. <br><br>Now, Aquino was "out" as a Satanist, so surely he would be targeted by investigators and parents as a culprit, and I'm not as completely familiar with all the details of the Presidio case as I'd like. But assuming he was involved then there is a direct connection between the "overt" Satanists and child abuse.<br><br>If I recall, the Aquino accusations came from a particular kid who identified him as the "Michael" whose house he'd been taken to. There was an overall coverup of the whole story, so it's not completely "fair" to suggest that this means the Aquino part is specifically what was being covered up. Anyone more familiar with that case? Does the Aquino connection seem pretty solid? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby biaothanatoi » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:53 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>At some point, though, this shifted, at least if witness reports about Aquino's involvement in the Presidio case are to be believed.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>There are a few cases where self-styled Satanists (eg Aquino) have been accused of RA, but it's pretty rare. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But assuming he was involved then there is a direct connection between the "overt" Satanists and child abuse.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I'm reluctant to buy into the notion that "Satanism" is a structured "religion" in the way that CoS would have us believe. <br><br>Instead, I think it's a broad and nebulous ideology that celebrates transgression - sometimes to the point where breaking every moral code is a good in and of itself. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Does the Aquino connection seem pretty solid?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>My understanding is that he was discharged from the military following an investigation into organised child abuse because the military deemed it likely that he had committed the offences that the children accused him of. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Magus, LaVey, Aquino, Pettie

Postby Dreams End » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:32 pm

I wasn't really talking about "Satanism" as an ideology. I was particularly interested in the network of CoS/ToS. I'm just trying to get some background in particular cities of the "occult scene" so to speak. Since the CoS seems to have spread into 4 cities of significance to me, I wanted to look further. <br><br>For those new to this, here's the original article about the case....I hadn't realized the same things were alleged at West Point...they really sound like "mini Abu Ghraibs".<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/aquino01.htm">www.outpost-of-freedom.com/aquino01.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>naturally, it is triggering. It's also very haunting. And it speaks to the possibility of a wider network within the military. <p></p><i></i>
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Wow.

Postby Dreams End » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:06 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Joan Baez Lyrics - PLAY ME BACKWARDS Lyrics<br><br>You don't have to play me backwards<br>To get the meaning of my verse<br>You don't have to die and go to hell<br>To feel the devil's curse<br><br>Well I thought my life was a photograph<br>On the family Christmas card<br>Kids all dressed in buttons and bows<br>And lined up in the yard<br>Were the golden days of childhood<br>So lyrical and warm<br>Or did the picture start to fade<br>On the day that I was born<br><br>I've seen them light the candles<br>I've heard them bang the drum<br>And I've cried Mama, I'm cold as ice!<br>And I got no place to run<br><br>Let the night begin there's a pop of skin<br>And the sudden rush of scarlet<br>There's a little boy riding on a goat's head<br>And a little girl playing the harlot<br>There's a sacrifice in an empty church<br>Of sweet li'l baby Rose<br>And a man in a mask from Mexico<br>Is peeling off my clothes<br><br>I've seen them light the candles<br>I've heard them bang the drum<br>And I've cried Mama, I'm cold as ice!<br>And I got no place to run<br><br>So I'm paying for protection<br>Smoking out the truth<br>Chasing recollections<br>Nailing down the proof<br><br>You don't have to play me backwards<br>To get the meaning of my verse<br>You don't have to die and go to hell<br>To feel the devil's curse<br>I'll stand before your altar<br>And tell everything I know<br>I've come to claim my childhood<br>At the chapel of baby Rose<br><br>I've seen them light the candles<br>I've heard them bang the drum<br>I've seen them light the candles<br>I've heard them bang the drum<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>She lives here in Nashville. I can't find any info on this song. <p></p><i></i>
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indeed

Postby Homeless Halo » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:33 am

the "babylon" grotto in Detroit is still active.<br><br>As are a number of non-recognized Thelemic groups (including my own). Of course, there is a good deal of cross-over, though rarely with the OTO, which officially, doesn't allow one to be a member of a "rival" occult group. Most of the Thelemites I associate with don't regard CoS as being an actual "occult" group, so much as a club for disaffected atheists.<br><br>ToS on the other hand...<br>(see: LHP)<br><br> CoS is an organized religion. "Satanism" isn't, in the sense that "Christianity" isn't. Some denominations are organized, but it exists mostly as an outlet for angsty young people and closet devil worshippers, when it exists at all, outside of CoS.<br><br>ToS aren't satanists. They would more correctly fit under the label of a "star cult" being more "lovecraftian" for want of a better term.<br><br>Satanic groups tend towards frequent schism, as would seem obvious for "power hungry" types. <br><br>My own experiences in such a group, saw it splinter, with the majority of "laveyan" satanists moving towards official recognition from CoS, the "black occultists" moved to start their own ToS outpost, and a few of them went on to create an actual devil worshipping coven.<br><br>Of these, only the minority in the third group would qualify as frightening. But they ARE scary fucks. Maybe someday after I've moved to another country, we can get into more detail.<br><br>---<br><br>I am also interested in SRA activities in Dayton, as I once lived on Wright Pat.<br><br>Love is the Law,<br>HALO<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: indeed

Postby Dreams End » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:24 am

Hello Homeless.<br><br>Took you long enough. Thanks for posting.<br><br>Carol Rutz, an MC survivor, mentioned in an interview that she'd been taken to Wright Patterson for a "tune-up". I wrote to ask her about that and she said she didn't remember much about it and questioned why I thought the government might be involved in the case of my wife. (This is not my primary working theory, but I just keep researching every angle.) I found her rather cold, actually, though perhaps she just gets too many emails.<br><br>I was interested in the CoS part because, really, of a possible social milieu that her parents may have been part of. Since I see they have a grotto in Detroit, where her grandfather and mother are from (her mom is DID as well) and also one in Dayton (they lived in Cincinnati and her dad still does), I thought this might be a clue. I don't think that LaVey's actual organization is behind any of this stuff, though you never know who'd come to a gathering and take it more seriously.<br><br>I'd be interested in anything and everything occult related re Detroit you could offer, especially the years 1945 - 1965 (before your own time, I realize). And I'm not sure exactly when and why you were in Dayton, but ditto on Dayton/Cincinnati from 1965 to present. Her mom is now back in Michigan. I think that you are fairly young, so your time in Dayton won't overlap hers in childhood, but your experiences in the "gifted program" in Dayton would be of interest if you remember more about it. And, in interest of full disclosure, I'm not the only one on this board that got a little worried when you talked about participating in a gifted program sponsored by the airforce. I hope that it simply was what it was purported to be, or that you "flunked out" of their other programs...b/c they may not have been very nice. To be honest, there are so many red flags about your story that I have some concerns for you. If you don't find yourself missing much time/memory from childhood, then perhaps there's nothing to worry about.<br><br>My wife is into wicca/paganism, but is quite vague really about when all that started. Because of various things that have happened and that we've learned, I do now wonder if part of the abuse she suffered from her parents (and that there was at least SOME is admitted by all concerned, even the parents, though her dad claims no memory of "being violent") may have, in part, have been in the context of some occultish/hippie/alternate sexuality vibe. Maybe nothing more organized than that, but elements of that seem to be present. She has never, to her own knowledge, been part of any organized group. Yet this stuff is so important to her. During her second hospitalization one of the most difficult parts was getting her to part with her pentacle necklace (they allowed no jewelry). And while I'm quite aware that pentagram doesn't equate with Satan worship, her profound attachment to it and the fact that it was a gift from her perp mom who at the very least (again, due to broken memories we don't have much info) was cold, manipulative, emotionally abusive and maternally insufficient, it is odd that this PARTICULAR pentagram was so important to her. And she's now passed it onto her own daughter, excited that it is a "third generation" item (though her mom never wore it...just bought it.)<br><br>I assume, for the most part, that CoS was too public to be up to real trouble, though I would have thought that of Aquino as well, but I think the Presidio case is fairly damning, if you'll pardon the pun. Plus, his involvement in psyops, and a reference from a police report suggesting that there were several other "ToSSers" in military intel is worrisome. <br><br>However, if you know anyone with any of the first couple of years of the "cloven hoof"...they used to publish member lists...I'd very much like to see those. Surely more prominent people aren't listed, but it is one thing to pursue. <br><br>So, other than Rutz's cryptic reference about Wright Pat, an experience now forgotten, evidently, and the CoS, I haven't yet uncovered much about Dayton. I do know her dad is an amateur pilot and he is definitely a perpetrator, though to what extent her broken memories do not yet tell us.<br><br>I'd like to hear about the "scary fucks" from Detroit, but primarily only if there is some continuity there back to the forties thru sixties, which I doubt. <br><br>And if you, in your encyclopedic knowledge of the occult, happen to have info on any of the following, I'd be interested:<br><br>Wayne West, former priest and founder of the Detroit Grotto of CoS.<br><br>John DeHaven, founder of the Dayton Grotto.<br><br>Harold Courlander, anthropologist, folklorist and popularizer of Haitian, African and Native American folktales. From Detroit and has written many books and spent much time learning about Voodoo in Haiti. I know you have some interest in this area, and I don't ask as a blanket condemnation but induced trance states and "others" taking over...well, anyway, he had a DID daughter and granddaughter, so it's worth asking about. I think it was the stepfather of my wife's mom who was the abusive asshole, and likely not Courlander at all.<br><br>Oh, and you can have his fucking name. Morry Zwerdling. Very little about him on the internet, but if you happen to be in a library with access to Detroit newspaper archives, I'd love to know more about that piece of work. He was some kind of judge, maybe an administrative law judge. Extremely abusive. <br><br>anyway, just rambling. If anything strikes a cord, let me know...or PM if you want.<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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