Iraqi soldiers shooting at their American "allies"

by **professorpan** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:42 pm

I'm sure this is happening far more frequently than we're being told. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/soldiers.ambushed.ap/index.html">www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21...index.html</a> Iraqi colleagues killed U.S. soldiers, military says SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Two California soldiers shot to death in Iraq were murdered by Iraqi civil-defense officers patrolling with them, military investigators have found. The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr. and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004. But the Army's Criminal Investigation Command found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday. A Pentagon spokesman knew of no other similar incident, calling it "extremely rare." The Army has conducted an extensive investigation into the deaths but declined to provide details out of respect for relatives of the soldiers, spokesman Paul Boyce said Tuesday evening. It was unclear whether the investigators had established a motive or arrested any suspects. The families of McCaffrey and Tyson were to be briefed on the report's conclusions Tuesday and Wednesday by Brig. Gen. Oscar Hilman, the soldiers' commander at the time, and three other officers. "When they come I have my list of questions ready, and I want these answers and I don't want lies," McCaffrey's mother, Nadia McCaffrey, said. Soldiers who witnessed the attack have told her that two Iraqi patrolmen opened fire on her son's unit. The witnesses also said a third gunman simultaneously drove up to the American unit in a van, climbed onto the vehicle and fired at the Americans, she said. "Nothing is clear. Nothing is clear," she said. Her son was shot eight times by bullets of various calibers, some of which penetrated his body armor, she said. She believes he bled to death. Nadia McCaffrey has become a vocal critic of the war in Iraq, and said her son had reservations about it, too, though he served well and was promoted posthumously to sergeant. "I really want this story to come out; I want people to know what happened to my son," she said. "There is no doubt to me that this (ambushes by attached Iraqi units) is still happening to soldiers today, but our chain of command is awfully reckless; they don't seem to give a damn about what's happening to soldiers." Iraqi forces who had trained with the Americans had fired at them twice before the incident that killed Patrick McCaffrey, and he had reported it to his superiors, she said. Boyce said the U.S. military remained confident in its operations with Iraqis. "We continue to have confidence in our operations with Iraqi soldiers and have witnessed the evolution of a stronger fighting army for the Iraqi people," he said. Patrick McCaffrey joined the National Guard the day after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, his mother said. Tyson's family could not be located, and a message left with his former unit was not immediately returned. McCaffrey, 34, and Tyson, 33, were members of the California National Guard. Both were assigned to the Army National Guard's 579th Engineer Battalion, based in Petaluma. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, pressed the Pentagon for answers about the case when Nadia McCaffrey was unsatisfied by explanations from the military. "Mrs. McCaffrey is set to receive a briefing from Pentagon officials (Wednesday) afternoon in California, during which we hope they will provide her with a full report of the facts surrounding Sgt. McCaffrey's death," said Natalie Ravitz, a Boxer spokeswoman.

by **DBtv** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:49 pm

brought to you by pan. Nice try.

by **yathrib** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:02 pm

"Patrick McCaffrey joined the National Guard the day after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, his mother said." Probably thinking he would be guarding, well, the nation, or as it came to be known, "the homeland" (gaggghh). He wasn't some macho blowhard who joined the Marines so he could "kill ragheads." Even w/o LIHOP or MIHOP, how can we countenance the betrayal that led to people like him being sent to a foreign land to occupy a country that was *in no way* any kind of threat to "the homeland?" And BTW, Your Holiness Grand Inquisitor Alberto Gonzalez de Torquemada, the reason you don't torture people is so they don't torture you back.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:16 pm

of a now elderly French woman who emigrated to Canada after the war. During the occupation she was a beautiful member of the resistance. She told of seeing a German officer who had been chatting her up on a quiet street one morning. He asked if they were still on for dinner that night. She reached into her handbag as though for her lipstick, pulled out her pistol and shot him dead, then calmly walked away. In France, she's regarded as a heroine. Though I'm sure a similar act against a French officer in Algeria or Indochina would have been thought villainous. And in Iraq today, to the imperial machine, the same gesture of defiance would be portrayed as a "cowardly act" of "senseless violence." Act like a Nazi, and you're going to make heroes. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 6/21/06 11:27 am

by **professorpan** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>brought to you by pan. Nice try.<hr></blockquote> Huh?

by **StarmanSkye** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:29 pm

HOW is this a limited hangout, ie., manipulated, distorted, selectively censored, carefully 'placed' for maximum effect to control and steer public discussion? What this shows is widespread popular resistance to American Occupation and the shallow 'loyalties' of Iraqi troops to the American 'partners'. I have no reason to suspect it's false or misleading. This comment seems like nothing so much as a rude slap to Prof. Pan for a pre-supposed disruptor 'role' here -- which I sure don't buy. Starman

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:31 pm

Perhaps a whistle-blower was taken out, especially if he had spoken of his doubts. I find it odd that the official explanation for his death was changed, expecially as there were witnesses.

by **professorpan** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Perhaps a whistle-blower was taken out, especially if he had spoken of his doubts. I find it odd that the official explanation for his death was changed, expecially as there were witnesses.<hr></blockquote> Exactly what I was thinking. It's also interesting that the soldier, and his mother, were both critical of the war before his death. And I'm glad his mother has a list of questions for the military -- and I hope she questions them relentlessly.

by **yesferatu** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:31 am

<<to the imperial machine, the same gesture of defiance would be portrayed as a "cowardly act" of "senseless violence.">> Amerikans believe, and are taught, patriotism is only amerikan. That they own the concept. Amerikans will say that there is not one single Iraqi "insurgent" who can be called a patriot. That patriotism can only be expressed by amerikans, since they own the concept, and that any Iraqi's defiance is not to be honored but stamped out, because they are dumb beasts who have no capacity for patriotism. That they just want to kill. Justice, revenge, and defiance are not felt by "them". They just kill...like animals, or sub-humans. Which brings me to the idea of genocide. The culling in Iraq is genocide with plausible deniability.

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